Inside Bill's Boutique Speaker cables

[Bengineer]

16 minutes ago, Jack Goff said:

A bit piss weak to attack the guy publicly when he’s in hospital. 
I probably would have waited to send the pics directly to him and wait for a response. If there was then a discrepancy in the item you’d have a point. Do you have an email trail of discussion or did you just go off half cocked? 
Until proven there’s an issue, I’ll trust @Bill125812 integrity he has shown to many on the forum over the years, including myself. Hope he  gets well soon. 
 

No one has attacked him.

 

Old mate just opened up a XLR labelled WE and found Canare wrapped in foil.

 

He has every right to post that. You're suggesting he should PM it to Bill to see whats up, get some reasoning or "sorry, mislabelled one", and never to be heard of again.

 

If you're selling custom items, for decent money, they should stand up to scrutiny. Even if not sonically, given its subjectiveness, definitely to the objective components of what makes up the cable.

 

No one has attacked him. When he is back online he will be able to explain or reason it in the public space where it should be.

 

To add to this, I'm not attacking him, or defending. I just want honesty and integrity in whats being made. I have opened up and looked at *every* cable I have bought or has come to me. It's what I do. That includes Bill's, Aurealis, Forza Audioworks, Lavricables, Moon, stock cables from Kennerton, ZMF, Audeze, Final.

 

I've found some expected results, and some super average stuff. From the little guys to the big.

 

I see average soldering, poor choices in strain relief, straight up BAD arrangments and choice of wire, and somewhat deceptive parts, like bring 8 high quality litz wires down to 4 much thinner guage, basic non-litz OFC leaders to make it work with the connector.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Bengineer

[muon*]

12 minutes ago, Jack Goff said:

A bit piss weak to attack the guy publicly when he’s in hospital. 
I probably would have waited to send the pics directly to him and wait for a response. If there was then a discrepancy in the item you’d have a point. Do you have an email trail of discussion or did you just go off half cocked? 
Until proven there’s an issue, I’ll trust @Bill125812 integrity he has shown to many on the forum over the years, including myself. Hope he  gets well soon. 
 

as you can see in this post below he has already done the back n forth with Bill including with pics, and Bill has promised replacement cables.

9 minutes ago, Maxi said:

Yes mate long discussion mate and photos back and forth mate before you go off half cocked was promised a new set which were becoming a long time coming 

 

5 minutes ago, Bengineer said:

No one has attacked him.

 

Old mate just opened up a XLR labelled WE and found Canare wrapped in foil.

 

He has every right to post that. You're suggesting he should PM it to Bill to see whats up, get some reasoning or "sorry, mislabelled one", and never to be heard of again.

 

If you're selling custom items, for decent money, they should stand up to scrutiny. Even if not sonically, given its subjectiveness, definitely to the objective components of what makes up the cable.

 

No one has attacked him. When he is back online he will be able to explain or reason it in the public space where it should be.

Agreed, he has the right to post.

 

And agree, nobody is attacking Bill, just some facts being shown.

[Jakeyb77_Redux]

13 minutes ago, Bengineer said:

No one has attacked him.

 

Old mate just opened up a XLR labelled WE and found Canare wrapped in foil.

 

He has every right to post that. You're suggesting he should PM it to Bill to see whats up, get some reasoning or "sorry, mislabelled one", and never to be heard of again.

 

If you're selling custom items, for decent money, they should stand up to scrutiny. Even if not sonically, given its subjectiveness, definitely to the objective components of what makes up the cable.

 

No one has attacked him. When he is back online he will be able to explain or reason it in the public space where it should be.

The xlr pic is of a piece of some cable. It doesn’t show the whole cable or confirm anything. 
The RCA cable shown looks like the twisted strands of WE as the signal cable and the larger copper outer cable. 
I didn’t say not to bring it public or to leave it be if there is a problem. I said it’s piss weak to do it now when the guy can’t defend himself. And also that is may cause him stress at an unfortunate time. 
A guy posted a pic of 4 inches of cable and you all jumped on it. 
There could be a myriad of unknown issues going on that we don’t know. 
My point is only that it’s probably better done some other time given health issues, lockdowns and other garbage going on. 
But feel free to run with whatever gets your juices flowing. 
 

Edited August 25, 2021 by Jack Goff

[Bengineer]

1 minute ago, Jack Goff said:

The xlr pic is of a piece of some cable. It doesn’t show the whole cable or confirm anything. 
The RCA cable shown looks like the twisted strands of WE as the signal cable and the larger copper outer cable. 
I didn’t say not to bring it public or to leave it be if there is a problem. I said it’s piss weak to do it now when the guy can’t defend himself. And also that is may cause him stress at an unfortunate time. 
A guy posted a pic of 4 inches of cable and you all jumped on it. 
There could be a myriad off unknown issues going on that we don’t know. 
My point is only that it’s probably better done some other time given health issues, lockdowns and other garbage going on. 
But feel free to run with whatever gets your juices flowing. 

Nope.

 

The XLR pic is Canare Microphone cable. Fact. I know, I work with it. I have it here. I actually have some of Bills' ones here still too.

 

To suggest he should wait until Bill is back from hospital to post his findings and concerns is just weird.

 

"I waited to post this photo of my Tesla issue because I know Elon is off in space at the moment". Come off it.

 

Again, no one has attacked him. No one. We are assessing what is shown in the photos.

[Jakeyb77_Redux]

5 minutes ago, Bengineer said:

Nope.

 

The XLR pic is Canare Microphone cable. Fact. I know, I work with it. I have it here. I actually have some of Bills' ones here still too.

 

To suggest he should wait until Bill is back from hospital to post his findings and concerns is just weird.

 

"I waited to post this photo of my Tesla issue because I know Elon is off in space at the moment". Come off it.

 

Again, no one has attacked him. No one. We are assessing what is shown in the photos.

if you would please point me to the pic with the full XLR end to end with Bills WE labelling on it? I missed it. 
Or are you still referring to the pic with the 4 inches of canare? 
 

[Mr_Fried]

IMHO, it looks like a mistake may have been made with regard to the Canare and the Western Electric is as advertised, but perhaps not as the customer expected, as it uses a pair of conductors out of a larger gauge multi-core power cable. Could it have been more clearly advertised for those in the group who are less technically minded? Perhaps.

 

If the poor dude is in hospital on top of whatever other lockdown related impact he is going through, its reasonable to expect that a reply may be delayed. He did say that he would make it good. Trying not to die can take up a lot of your time and energy. 

 

Right now due to the pandemic some people are doing it very tough. Supply chains are broken, there are shortages of almost all commodity parts and folks are out of work. 

 

I personally have a 5 month old daughter at home who has seen her grandparents and family a handful of times before going into lockdown and has barely left the house in months.

 

The two pairs of recently made WE cables from @Bill125812 that I have sitting here on my desk look very well made and sound excellent. Brilliant value for money in my opinion.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2021 by Mr_Fried
Typo

[Jakeyb77_Redux]

1 minute ago, Mr_Fried said:

IMHO, it looks like a mistake was made with regard to the Canare and the Western Electric is as advertised, but perhaps not as the customer expected, as it uses a pair of conductors our of a larger gauge multi-core power cable. Could it have been more clearly advertised for those in the group who are less technically minded? Perhaps.
 

Right now due to the pandemic some people are doing it very tough. Supply chains are broken, there are shortages of almost all commodity parts and folks are out of work. 

 

If the poor dude is in hospital on top of whatever other lockdown related impact he is going through, its reasonable to expect that a reply may be delayed. You know, trying not to die can take up a lot of your time and energy. 

 

I personally have a 5 month old daughter at home who has seen her grandparents and family a handful of times before going into lockdown and has barely left the house in months.

 

On the same hand, I am sure that everyone is dealing with some issues big and small relating to lockdown and covid,  so its easy to understand that tempers may flare up. 

 

The two pairs of Bills recently made WE cables that I have sitting here on my desk look very well made and sound excellent. Brilliant value for money in my opinion.

 

 

I think that’s an excellent post. 
The WE cable from Bill is being confused as the whole red jacketed one shown earlier I believe. 
That may be causing a lot of confusion, and I agree may be better explained.

[Hytram]

9 minutes ago, Bengineer said:

 

"I waited to post this photo of my Tesla issue because I know Elon is off in space at the moment". Come off it.

 

Mate, big difference between a bloke that has a one man hobby cable business that has has a good following on this forum where it all started (correct??) 

 

And the richest man on the planet with thousands of employees under him.. 

 

It's becoming a witch hunt whether that was the initial intention or not (and no, I don't think it was) 

[Mrkropotkin]

I'm off to bed

[MattyW]

The basic clock cable I have here with Canare connectors is the best sounding I've heard so I do believe there's probably some WE wire in it. Might be Canare but it sounds very good to me. Just hope my better WE cable with Furutech CF-BNC connectors shows. Fingers crossed.

 

I wish Bill the very best with his recovery. Health issues suck big time. Been crook the past month myself though nothing that sent me to hospital. Sounds more serious. 

Edited August 25, 2021 by MattyW

[Bengineer]

2 minutes ago, Hytram said:

 

Mate, big difference between a bloke that has a one man hobby cable business that has has a good following on this forum where it all started (correct??) 

 

And the richest man on the planet with thousands of employees under him.. 

 

It's becoming a witch hunt whether that was the initial intention or not (and no, I don't think it was) 

The point stands.

 

Bill's Cables is what he is querying. Not Bill the man.

 

It's all inconclusive regardless. We have blurry photos. Blue jacket with WE on it but is clearly from the RCA, and then other shots with blue jacket with the Neutrik XLR strain relief clamp clipped over it. Then someone else sharing their Red jacket variant.

 

Facts can be discussed though. Someone has pulled apart a cable. And we can see whats in there. It's some unknown fine wire for conductor to be confirmed, a conductor from a Canare speaker cable for the return, and some poly garden tubing, then foil stuck on and sleeving.

 

People are allowed to see that. People are allowed to discuss that.

[MattyW]

If WE is used for the conductor with Canare for the return, that's a smart way to get good performance at a lower cost. I can certainly live with that.

 

I suspect this could be the case with mine as it doesn't sound like any Canare I've run in the past.  Doesn't mean it's not in the construction though. 

Edited August 25, 2021 by MattyW

[Island boy]

17 minutes ago, Bengineer said:

The point stands.

 

Bill's Cables is what he is querying. Not Bill the man.

 

It's all inconclusive regardless. We have blurry photos. Blue jacket with WE on it but is clearly from the RCA, and then other shots with blue jacket with the Neutrik XLR strain relief clamp clipped over it. Then someone else sharing their Red jacket variant.

 

Facts can be discussed though. Someone has pulled apart a cable. And we can see whats in there. It's some unknown fine wire for conductor to be confirmed, a conductor from a Canare speaker cable for the return, and some poly garden tubing, then foil stuck on and sleeving.

 

People are allowed to see that. People are allowed to discuss that.

The thing I don’t get is, if he used the western electric 22gauge out of the larger pack, why would you strip down each wire to its copper removing its impregnate cloth oil??

Defeat the purpose to me?

[muon*]

27 minutes ago, Bengineer said:

Bill's Cables is what he is querying. Not Bill the man.

Agreed.

 

We all wish him the best regarding his health, every poster here does.

 

It is cables that are being discussed.

[Cardiiiii]

Reading through the other thread, Bill clearly says he uses two individual WE strands, one for the signal and one for the ground. That big fat WE cable has 44 individual strands according to Bill and he uses 2 for each cable. I think that's pretty much your explanation there.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Cardiiiii

[muon*]

11 hours ago, Maxi said:

These are bills we cables bought direct from him

Xlr cable sorry 

 

5 minutes ago, Cardiiiii said:

Reading through the other thread, Bill clearly says he uses two individual WE strands, one for the signal and one for the ground. That big fat WE cable has 44 individual strands according to Bill and he uses 2 for each cable. I think that's pretty much your explanation there.

Does that explain the pic of the WE XLR above?

[qwerter]

Had only good experience with Bill's cables. Wish him all the best. We all go through some rough periods.

[muon*]

At best maybe he needs to organize his business model better, once he is well again, which we all hope is very soon.

[Bunno77]

 

Surprised this hasn't thread hasn't been deleted yet.

 

Not going to go into my experience but here's the inside of what I received.

[Martykt]

3 minutes ago, Bunno77 said:

 

Surprised this hasn't thread hasn't been deleted yet.

 

Not going to go into my experience but here's the inside of what I received.

What is it supposed to be?

[Jakeyb77_Redux]

34 minutes ago, muon* said:

 

Does that explain the pic of the WE XLR above?

Again, please direct me to the pic that shows that is even one of Bill’s cables……. Let alone a WE branded cable 

[muon*]

3 minutes ago, Jack Goff said:

Again, please direct me to the pic that shows that is even one of Bill’s cables……. Let alone a WE branded cable 

OK, so you are suggesting the poster is deceiving us and has malicious intent?

 

Where is you evidence of this?

 

I think it best we both let this go!

[Jakeyb77_Redux]

11 minutes ago, muon* said:

OK, so you are suggesting the poster is deceiving us and has malicious intent?

 

Where is you evidence of this?

 

I think it best we both let this go!

You’re the one that keeps pushing the agenda mate. You’re not open to anything other than deception on Bill’s end. It could be another cable of Bills sent by mistake or as I said in plenty of other posts “a myriad of unknown things”. A mistake from the poster that it was a WE cable. 
All I’m saying is it’s 4 inches of Canare. It’s not definitive from the picture that it was sold as a WE cable. I never said anything malicious occurred from either side. But unfortunately we only have the one side… aided by a few quick to jump on. 
As @Hytram said, it may not have started as a witch hunt but it sure smells like one to some. If it’s not your cable and you weren’t affected then I don’t see why you push it every time other than you need to feel important.
I like Bill. He’s not here to defend himself so until he is I’ll  keep saying that it could be a number of issues still undetermined. You should keep an open mind too. 

 

Edited August 25, 2021 by Jack Goff

[muon*]

1 minute ago, Jack Goff said:

You’re the one that keeps pushing the agenda mate. You’re not open to anything other than deception on Bill’s end. It could be another cable of Bills sent by mistake or as I said in plenty of other posts “a myriad of unknown things”. A mistake from the poster that it was a WE cable. 
All I’m saying is it’s 4 inches of Canare. It’s not definitive from the picture that it was sold as a WE cable. I never said anything malicious occurred from either side. But unfortunately we only have the one side… aided by a few quick to jump on. 
As @Hytram said, it may not have started as a witch hunt but it sure smells like one to some. If it’s not your cable and you weren’t affected then I don’t see why you push it every time other than you need to feel important.
I like Bill. He’s not here to defend himself so until he is I’lol  keep saying that it could be a number of issues still undetermined. You should keep an open mind too. 

 

Go away

 

Edit: I never mentioned deception on Bill's part, could be a mistake.

 

It's you that are assuming I am implying deception, so take responsibility for your own stuff, thank you.

Edited August 25, 2021 by muon*

[Jakeyb77_Redux]

Just now, muon* said:

Go away

No