variablefeedback Posted May 12, 2002 Posted May 12, 2002 Hi all, For all those who had collected the dvd player, care to submit a full report? I will start a brief one now. As compared to my Pioneer 525, the shinco is softer. But I had set my Tosgiba RPTV SHARPNESS to the lowest, I set it to 20 ( 100 max ), and all is forgiven. Gone are the interlaced lines, picture is smooth as a baby backside. I am not concerned about the chroma thingy, since I want the basics to be right first, and I got that from Shinco. The HT sound from the Shinco is DEFINTELY MUCH BETTER than my Pioneer. Strange since many users report bad sound ffrom Shinco. My main speakers are the JMLAB Alcor, awesome bass, awesome definition, awesome powess. The Shinco just reminded me how wonderful these speakers are. The remote/remote receiver is not sensistive, as was my Marantz SR5000 AV amp. No problem, I have a SR2000 MARANTZ Programmable remote control, very powerful. Setup is a brisk walk in teh park, easy. Manual is not-so-friendly, but as bad as my AV amp's, the japs are worse. So far, I had spinned 2 disks. MIMIC and HAMBURGER HILL. Very impressed with the sound, impressed with the improvement that progressive scan brought to my RPTV. Actually, I only released the full potential of my Toshiba 43A9UE till now. ( Please note: This NOT the 43A7UE, it is THE TOSHIBA 43A9UE - BIG DIFFERENCE ) Till then, I will spinned my DVD non-stop for 7 days in my real world system ( almost ), set it up with VIDEO ESSENTIALS, and report again in about 2 weeks time ( personal reason, my dad is wheel chair bound for the moment ) In the mean time, submit those reviews.
Guest duckling Posted May 12, 2002 Posted May 12, 2002 I guess the sound quality you're referring to is thru Digital Connection. Those who mentioned that the Shinco sounds poorer becos' they are trying the analogue connection.
Guest queks Posted May 12, 2002 Posted May 12, 2002 I said bad because i using analogue connection. Shinco do not provide 2 channel connection. 2 channel is connected through the 5.1 output. Maybe variablefeedback can try again and let us know the result.
Gaolow Posted May 12, 2002 Posted May 12, 2002 I connect the coxial out from the shinco player and play the HDCD..wow sound wonderful. I connect it to my Creative DTT2500. (the old speakers ) Havent try it on my sony ES50 amp. Will post it once i had connect it up. As for the DVD, I hook it to my Samsung 151s LCD monitor... and wow the PQ is very smooth and warm. Compare to those that I play on my DVD-ROM (using the Gforce 2 MX400), it great different. I will give Shinco the best of the best. However I yet to compare it when using the Realmagic plus Mpeg2 decorde card. For the conventional CTV, I dont think i will hook it when I get my Penny projector. But, for those that was there in the afternoon, I hook the shinco dvd player to the penny projector using the VGA and play my favour n expnsive final fantasy movies.. Wat can I said ...u should noe ...simply no horse run. This make me more to get the projector... FYi.. I have try those RCE disc as well as those D9 disc and some titles(both D9 and original) that my Toshiba cant even play...and word to describe it..flawlessly... I just love this Shinco...as in Hokkien said "Cheap n Green" P.S: KEC..if u reading this..u may like to combine the penny projector with this shinco player..and maybe u will like to setup in your demon room
Area511624705732 Posted May 12, 2002 Posted May 12, 2002 I connect the coxial out from the shinco player and play the HDCD..wow sound wonderful. Gaolow, In order to enjoy the HDCD from the Shinco.. One should use the analogue connections out of the Shinco as the Shinco is doing the HDCD and not Ur Amp unledd Ur amp is HDCD equipped. Area51
Guest queks Posted May 12, 2002 Posted May 12, 2002 yes, decoding of signal by player itself will only output through the 2 analogue channel.
Whazzup Posted May 12, 2002 Posted May 12, 2002 is there a way to utilise the player's built-in DD/DTS decoder to output to a Dolby Surround Receiver, and hence get Digital 5.1/DTS output?? Or a way to connect 5 speakers and a sub to the player directly without passing thru an amp?
pschia Posted May 12, 2002 Posted May 12, 2002 Wow ! If you guys are so happy now with the performance of the Shinco, I just can't imagine how much more deliriously happy you all would be if it was a Nintaus or Q50 instead, assuming you are not using Toshiba or JVC TVs of course.
Gaolow Posted May 12, 2002 Posted May 12, 2002 Wow ! If you guys are so happy now with the performance of the Shinco, I just can't imagine how much more deliriously happy you all would be if it was a Nintaus or Q50 instead, assuming you are not using Toshiba or JVC TVs of course. Was told that the recent new Q50 model no longer carry the DCI prograssive chip. Wonder is it true ..
pschia Posted May 12, 2002 Posted May 12, 2002 Was told that the recent new Q50 model no longer carry the DCI prograssive chip. Wonder is it true .. All the Q50s I see selling at all the electrical stores still have the Sage-Faroudja DCDi chipset. Only those Q50s meant for the European market where the TV system and the dvd playback is in PAL format, do not have progressive scanning function and so do not have the Sage-Faroudja DCDi chipset. Philips Singapore recently released the Q30 which looks exactly like the Q50 in design and this model does not have progressive scanning. Maybe, people have mistaken the Q30 for the Q50.
cracker Posted May 13, 2002 Posted May 13, 2002 The video playback from the shinco was gud. but actually I am more interested in getting a more natural image from the 43A9,,it is really too "reddish" for my liking !!!...anyway to do individual color correction ? As for the audio cd playback, was wundering can I connect the output from the shinco's coaxial terminal to my HT amp's CD co-axial terminal's,,,and connecting the digital output from the shinco to my amp's DVD digital input terminal ? any side effect or maybe signal conflict ? becos do find tat when playing back audio cd via co-axial while playing dvd,the digital input is much better. thx
Guest queks Posted May 13, 2002 Posted May 13, 2002 is there a way to utilise the player's built-in DD/DTS decoder to output to a Dolby Surround Receiver, and hence get Digital 5.1/DTS output?? Or a way to connect 5 speakers and a sub to the player directly without passing thru an amp? You need to have a 5.1 input on your amp to connect to the shinco 5.1 output. Infact, i tested my shinco for DTS and HDCD sound using a old sony prologic amp(str-de535) which i bought recently.
variablefeedback Posted May 13, 2002 Author Posted May 13, 2002 Hi Cracker, the individual gun adjustment can be done. You must make sure you can PURE black& white picture first, then you can get the correct color. IF you cannot get 100% black & white, then you can ask Toshiba for on-site adjustment (do it during the warranty period - FOC, thereafter, every 3 years but you have to pay). Then the service receptionist that you cannot get 100% B&W pictures and you are watching a lot of B&W movies. They got to obliged. Any decent TV repair knows that! Of course, after that, you will need the AVIA or VE DVD disks for color adjustment. And YES, the sound I am refering to is the DD 5.1 sound from my digital coaxial out to my AV amp in. The sound is thinner, sharper and bass digs really deep. GREAT for HT, may not be great for audio. I have not try the analog out yet. There is a MUTE function on all the audio outputs. If youwere to remove the transistor(s) that mute the outputs, it might clear up teh sound a little. However, you will void your warranty. OK, been spinning the disk for 18hrs now ....... (this thing have autostop, ie, if you don't spin anything and leave it in ON mode, it will switch off by itself) ... I noticed that this player run warm ( warmer than my Pioneer 525), really warm to touch on the chassis. ANd there is this "burning" smell. Please take this lightly .... it just smells like rubber heating up in player or something. It's not like something is burning or had burnt. SO, this is 1 thing where they "skim the fat". Therfore, I OFF it this morning before i leave for work. I spinned 2 more DVD. 1 is Independance Day. I always hated this disk becos my Pioneer will show many lines .... makes my TV looks like 43A7UE. BUT NOW, THIS DISK ROCKS!!!! SOUNDS GOOD, LOOKS EVEN BETTER!!! 2 is SWORDFISH. Finally, 1 dvd that the video quality not much different. It is better, but not nuch. The suit on John Trovolta is really nice and chic in the 1st scene, I can see clearly teh cut on the suit!!! ... the SHINCO makes it easier to see that. Keep those self-reviews coming. I believe everyone can be a good reviewer, as long as you are honest to yourself. Besides, no one pay us to review this Shinco. BTW, the Panny and Shinco demo in KEC ..... GREAT!!! BUT ...... the screen ..... that grainy screen ..... forget it. actually I am more interested in getting a more natural image from the 43A9,,it is really too "reddish" for my liking !!!...anyway to do individual color correction ? As for the audio cd playback, was wundering can I connect the output from the shinco's coaxial terminal to my HT amp's CD co-axial terminal's,,,and connecting the digital output from the shinco to my amp's DVD digital input terminal ? any side effect or maybe signal conflict ? becos do find tat when playing back audio cd via co-axial while playing dvd,the digital input is much better. thx
Norman_Chan Posted May 13, 2002 Posted May 13, 2002 You have any idea how to change the screen saver ? The one that comes with it ... suck ....
Whazzup Posted May 13, 2002 Posted May 13, 2002 You need to have a 5.1 input on your amp to connect to the shinco 5.1 output. Infact, i tested my shinco for DTS and HDCD sound using a old sony prologic amp(str-de535) which i bought recently. thks! thinking of getting a 2nd-hand Dolby Digital receiver (no DTS), possible to: 1) decode DTS using the dvd player, then output to the receiver using coaxial? 2) decode DTS using my comp's Windvd, then output to the receiver using SB Live 5.1? is there such a cable wif 3.5 minijack to coaxial? sorry for being OT, juz hope can get some help wif the above.......thks!!! m(_ _)m
rtankm Posted May 13, 2002 Posted May 13, 2002 Hi Whazzup, 1) No. You will need to connect the 5.1 analogue output (of the DVD player) to the 5.1 analogue input of the receiver. 2) Same as above. Regards, rtankm
Guest duckling Posted May 13, 2002 Posted May 13, 2002 You have any idea how to change the screen saver ? The one that comes with it ... suck .... I agree with Norman that the screen saver sucks...very "Cina". ;D I guess I'll just turn it off.
oliverlim Posted May 13, 2002 Posted May 13, 2002 The video playback from the shinco was gud. but actually I am more interested in getting a more natural image from the 43A9,,it is really too "reddish" for my liking !!!...anyway to do individual color correction ? thx Test this out. Get a daiyo 1 x RCA male to 2 x RCA Female. Plug this to your TV RED Component input and plug your RED componenet DVD output to it. The 3DB or so loss will reduce the red level. IT shoudl cost about less then $5 for the RCA spiltter so worth a try. Oliver
Guest duckling Posted May 13, 2002 Posted May 13, 2002 Tested the Shinco 8700PS since 8pm today...do not want to go into details but picture and sound quality is way behind Pioneer 737!! :( For those who had compared your current player with Shinco and found that it's better...the Pioneer 737 will blow you away with it's rich color and superb sound quality. Anyway, this Shinco player is only for temporary basis, I am making use of it's VGA output for Panny PJ. My quest is to get the Ultimate HTPC machine which can be easily upgraded to HDTV when it's available. From my experience and personal opinion, the HTPC beats Pioneer 737. :)
cracker Posted May 13, 2002 Posted May 13, 2002 The video playback from the shinco was gud. but actually I am more interested in getting a more natural image from the 43A9,,it is really too "reddish" for my liking !!!...anyway to do individual color correction ? thx Test this out. Get a daiyo 1 x RCA male to 2 x RCA Female. Plug this to your TV RED Component input and plug your RED componenet DVD output to it. The 3DB or so loss will reduce the red level. IT shoudl cost about less then $5 for the RCA spiltter so worth a try. Oliver hi oliver,,thx for ur feedback,,but me more interested in the normal tv broadcast..esp with the world cup coming...find it abit wierd to see a nice green football field with a slight reddish color.
variablefeedback Posted May 14, 2002 Author Posted May 14, 2002 here the latest report. I played 3 cds yesterday, Jay (Zhou JieLun), Zigzo (Japanese Rock band, HDCD) and Grammy 1999 (Thailand Grammy Label, not US academy). ALL 3 cds sounds better than my Pioneer 525 in my HT setup through the DIGITAL OUT. 1 strange thing ..... the volume control works more effectively in CD mode than DD5.1 mode. It's just more obvious you can control the range lor. Another thing is that you need to set the AUDIO COMPRESSION to the lowest, NOT highest, for highest fidelity. You need to experiment with this. High compression can give you a better "kick" in certain setup. You should heard a louder and more punchy sound. Low compression is FULL range, no compression what-so-ever. Another thing is: the rubber "burning" smell is still there but not so obvious ..... will report on this again. That DVD player goes warm during play .... too warm for my liking. I am spinning a CD ( not DVD ) for 10hrs now, no problem. NOTE: ALL cables are PURE 75ohm, including the connectors. They sound "softer" but MUCH MUCH smoother in comparison to generic garden "digital" cables. Will report again.
porcu Posted May 14, 2002 Posted May 14, 2002 duckling, if you are think about selling your Shinco 8700PS, pls inform me :) If the price is reasonable, I might want to get it off you. Still searching for my PS DVD player.
pschia Posted May 14, 2002 Posted May 14, 2002 hi oliver,,thx for ur feedback,,but me more interested in the normal tv broadcast..esp with the world cup coming...find it abit wierd to see a nice green football field with a slight reddish color. cracker: It's not that bad. I don't have any colour cast problems with live broadcast type of programs with my set. Only with American TV series and most movies.
variablefeedback Posted May 14, 2002 Author Posted May 14, 2002 I will be using my VIDEO ESSENTIAL DVD disk / Radio Shack Analog Sound Meter to calibrate the SHINCO to my Toshiba 43A9UE and HT system soon. In the meantime, keep the comments/reviews coming. So far, I am very very very impressed with the sound. Video wise, I expected more but was let down by the "video quality expected from progressive scan DVD player" type of video quality from the Shinco. It is excellent, but it is not GREAT. I mean, I was expecting that it would be like BARGAIN OF THE CENTURY lor, it is close, but to go 1 notch up, you need to pay more, a lot more. Anyway, need to calibrate the TV to the DVD 1st, then I report again.
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