Marantz AV Owners Thread

[cwt]

6 minutes ago, Steam said:

Listing as USD$7000

 

Av10

Lets hope the AUS dollar holds up to  the strong US one  And they dont force you to buy the power amp like theyve done before with the top of the line  . 

That A1H is unique ; must assume its class D  as well to cram all those amp modules in. I notice a lot have mpeg h decoding too ; will be great if Aus adopts the new atsc sound codec like America for over the air transmission of better than 5,1/7.1 sound ..   

One can hope 

[franin]

36 minutes ago, Steam said:

Listing as USD$7000

 

Av10

 

i like that they are ditching a lot of the legacy rca connections.  Was time to clean up the back panel.

 

 

The Aus price will be around $13999, similar price to the AVP A1HD.

[franin]

On 9/9/2022 at 3:05 PM, betty boop said:

more than a decade ago sand 3 generation of product back.. the mighty denon AVP-A1HD launched at this pricing..

 

with a model name AV10... just leaves me wondering if there will be an A1  

 

likely jsut be a classe as that will also come out of same japanese factory now as they own the brand..

 

i bet you a lot of folk will jsut use audyssey.. not bother with dirac.. how many folk dont even buy the app on these things ! 

 

certainly a first in providing two EQ systems in the one chasis.. not sure any other brands do this...

I will be trying the Dirac

 

[Steam]

17 hours ago, franin said:

The Aus price will be around $13999, similar price to the AVP A1HD.

Holy crap.  Makes the 8500 look like a bargain

[Guest]

Seems to be the trend for all AV pre-processors to go up market and become more expensive.  

[franin]

Im curious to see how Dirac will preform.  Will it have the Bass eq ?

 

[cwt]

3 hours ago, franin said:

Im curious to see how Dirac will preform.  Will it have the Bass eq ?

 

I like the odds of dirac live bass management Frank ; with 4 independent sub outs and you would expect them to buy the full license being an add on option for the top of the line and whatever dirac markets in the future..

Flac has said at ASR how dlbm does more than just room eq  

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@amirm
that's correct (pun intended :)), in addition to correct the respective interactions among multiple subs the advanced Dirac Bass Management also corrects the interaction between the sub/s and the main speakers at the crossover region (this is possible only if dedicated channel/s is/are available)
Worth noting that when a single subwoofer is used its positioning is less critical and it can be placed in a more practical/aesthetically pleasant position.

 

Probably disable any audyssey bass eq etc while the dirac is on so it will be interesting to see how they handle that aspect 

[franin]

I agree will be looking forward in reading the reviews. 

[Kdjjdk Will]

On 11/09/2022 at 3:55 PM, CCRider said:

Could have gone 16 Channel plus 4 independent subwoofers. 

Would have put it in line with entry level Trinnov for channel set alone.

However In the same  line as the Anthem AV90.

However a 9:4:6 configuration is probably more "speaker" balanced from a configuration stand point.

Hence 15:4.

I for one appreciate Marantz and Denon products. They are the "Toyota" of the AV world.

They thoroughly test their products before release to market and don't  treat their

consumers as their "beta test" environment as some brands do.

Also love Made in Japan at back of their high end models.

 

 

Trinnov is Rolls Royce

However Trinnov pricing is ridiculous. Massive jump right across the board. 

Another price rise on the way according to dealer.

Was so tempted to go this path but couldn't justify the massive price difference.

Law of diminishing returns stinks.

 

 

 

It’s understandable Trinnov raising their prices. They have to compensate for the fact they sell 3 units here per year.

[betty boop]

 

 

good youtube, talking to marantz rep at cedia which give some good insights to the AV10 and amp10 pair, good looks, inside, its in English for actual interview but can switch on english auto generated subtitles if want for the start.

 

looks like excellent engineering inside and outside ... they dont see audyssey xt32 as budget eq or anything just the option to get the equipment and use and dirac that gives folk more individual speaker curve etc if need. 

 

audio wise s av8805 more dynamic and clarity. this is a complete new ground up design nothing shared with av8805, less distortion etc but keeps with the marantz sound. clearly comes at quite a price jump over av8805 which sells for aud $7k now but hte new av10 is usd $7k and thats before australia tax ...

 

 

[betty boop]

believe this is under hood of av10

 

and this is under hood of amp10

 

ps reason they went with class D for the amp10 is it would be physically impossible with amp10 to build it with 16 channel of class AB.. just weight and size... also they say they have achieved very good results for their top end pm10 amps for class D and why they utilised the tech for flagship amp10. apparently saturates a 240V output for max power ...

[cwt]

6 hours ago, betty boop said:

 also they say they have achieved very good results for their top end pm10 amps for class D and why they utilised the tech for flagship amp10. apparently saturates a 240V output for max power ...

Almost feel sorry for those with puny US 115v outlets and maybe needing to rewire their a/c power 

Edited October 2, 2022 by cwt

[CCRider]

8 hours ago, betty boop said:

 

 

good youtube, talking to marantz rep at cedia which give some good insights to the AV10 and amp10 pair, good looks, inside, its in English for actual interview but can switch on english auto generated subtitles if want for the start.

 

looks like excellent engineering inside and outside ... they dont see audyssey xt32 as budget eq or anything just the option to get the equipment and use and dirac that gives folk more individual speaker curve etc if need. 

 

audio wise s av8805 more dynamic and clarity. this is a complete new ground up design nothing shared with av8805, less distortion etc but keeps with the marantz sound. clearly comes at quite a price jump over av8805 which sells for aud $7k now but hte new av10 is usd $7k and thats before australia tax ...

 

 

With the current rate of the AUD That will take it to just shy of $11k plus GST or $12.1 K.

[betty boop]

25 minutes ago, CCRider said:

With the current rate of the AUD That will take it to just shy of $11k plus GST or $12.1 K.

not sure how compares locally with the anthem avm90 but that is more expensive in us at 7.5k usd vs 7k usd for marantz av10...the marantz looks a bargain for that money next to the anthem that looks very made in vietnam under the hood... 

 

which only leaves the question whether sound united will price the marantz under the av90 like in the us or make it a premium here.. if they make more expensive then that moves advantage anthems way  

Edited October 2, 2022 by betty boop

[CCRider]

11 minutes ago, betty boop said:

not sure how compares locally with the anthem avm90 but that is more expensive in us at 7.5k usd vs 7k usd for marantz av10...the marantz looks a bargain for that money next to the anthem that looks very made in vietnam under the hood... 

 

which only leaves the question whether sound united will price the marantz under the av90 like in the us or make it a premium here.. if they make more expensive then that moves advantage anthems way  

Definitely Anthem has a less affluent look inside and back.

This is why Marantz and Denon will always be my choice when it comes to the big name manufacturers. 

Watching Anthem owner recently on Youtube saying he can't get his AVM 70 to update firmware via Ethernet connection.  

Has to use wireless but go through convoluted way for it to work

see here 

 

This would drive me nuts.

What a joke. 

Anthem owners  are BETA testers for Anthem.

Edited October 2, 2022 by CCRider

[betty boop]

4 minutes ago, CCRider said:

Definitely Anthem has a less affluent look inside and back.

This is why Marantz and Denon will always be my choice when it comes to the big name manufacturers. 

the marantz definitely has gone up the premium path specifically with this new range it woudl seem.

 

5 minutes ago, CCRider said:

Watching Anthem owner recently on Youtube saying he can't get his AVM 70 to update firmware via Ethernet connection. 

you just have to peek in the owners threads on the forums ..

 

that said the marantz is new ... and given their track record would think dont fall down any habit holes ... certainly my marantz av8805a has been rock solid  

[CCRider]

24 minutes ago, betty boop said:

s... certainly my marantz av8805a has been rock solid  

Yes Al always been the case with Marantz and Denon and Yamaha in my past experience.

I am getting more fussy as I age.

I notice in todays world BETA testing is becoming the norm for consumers not exception.

That's why I also  love Toyota. They inhouse test their innovations to get bugs out before the release  to their customers.

 

Edited October 2, 2022 by CCRider

[betty boop]

not sure if folks have checked out the marantz AV10 that is in Australia .... looks like dec - jan - feb arrivals for av10 and amp 10. Pricing is also set, and looks like they have undercut the denon a1 processor and amp on what is cost over a decade ago.  I understand the av8805a will remain as a lower cost option with this combo just leaving door open to step up 

 

 

looks like they have put an amazing amount of work into the av10 with whole new HDAMs, certainly the av10 processor looks to be a whole new design and apparently this is most ever invested in a marantz processor and supposed to follow on from he denon a1 line, 

 

there is now choice of dac setting with traditional marantz sound and another setting to please measurement  pundits. 

 

 

 

some beautiful engineering under the hood of the av10, and appears it is some 3" deeper in chasis and 3 kg ! heavier than the av8805 as a result.

 

[betty boop]

And while the work they have done on the av10 is very interesting to see... i am even more surprised at their efforts with the amp10. no longer is this a marantz p[ower amp that looks like amp stage from one of their avrs... ie just separated for convenience ...  

 

this amp and effort gone in is on a whole another level... amazing to see their efforts on their marantz original class D modules and also the efforts with HDAMs and their use in all signal paths,

 

Frankly its great to see this level of engineering going into av gear as i was starting to think that with the passing of the denon a1 line that sort of thing was now in a bygone era.....

 

for those into the marantz sound, this is all very good news to see this level of commitment from sound united in R&D and what is to come...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cwt]

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there is now choice of dac setting with traditional marantz sound and another setting to please measurement  pundits. 

Thats a challenge for Amir at ASR A;l  He would love to test this..

This below sounds like they will be using class D going forward ; maybe like pioneer did once. all that r&d will trickle down ;good stuff

[Grant Slack]

On 2/10/2022 at 6:25 PM, betty boop said:

not sure how compares locally with the anthem avm90 but that is more expensive in us at 7.5k usd vs 7k usd for marantz av10

So, in the US $7k AV10 and $7.5k AVM90

And, in AUS $12k AV10 and $11k AVM90

 

Can't help it: I'm disappointed.

 

Grant 

[betty boop]

35 minutes ago, Grant Slack said:

So, in the US $7k AV10 and $7.5k AVM90

And, in AUS $12k AV10 and $11k AVM90

I too was wondering myself how would compare with anthem avm90

 

39 minutes ago, Grant Slack said:

Can't help it: I'm disappointed.

If interested in one, Maybe check what can preorder for? with your favourite retailer , I’ve never paid rrp not even for pre orders 

[cwt]

27 minutes ago, Grant Slack said:

So, in the US $7k AV10 and $7.5k AVM90

And, in AUS $12k AV10 and $11k AVM90

 

Can't help it: I'm disappointed.

 

Grant 

Look at it this way Grant ; the cost of both is a consequence of their hdmi 48gbps bandwidth . Meaning the pcbs have to be upgraded to handle higher than hdmi 2.0's 18gbps . To display a gui over this for the Marantz is no small job . 

Your also getting your 4 sub management built in rather than using an add  on mini dsp that means extra a/d d/a conversions 

[betty boop]

On 2/10/2022 at 6:48 PM, cwt said:

Almost feel sorry for those with puny US 115v outlets and maybe needing to rewire their a/c power 

another little factoid on the amp10 power amp… it apparently has dual power supplies…not only has a switch mode supply but also the toroidal one.. to use the best of both apparently …picked this up on the dream theatre YouTube someone quoted where marantz rep was being interviewed about the new amp at Cedia..  …

[Mr_Gadget]

In think I'll be going back to an AVR next time. These processors are way out out of my price range.