DJQ Posted February 13, 2008 Posted February 13, 2008 http://www.guidetohometheater.com/avreceivers/208mar8002/ Highs Powerful, musical amplification Easy to use with a great remote Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding Two HDMI outputs for dual-display setups Lows No onscreen volume/source/surround mode display via HDMI or component lets have a show of hands who got this 8002? no one? i already know someone has but has yet to post enticing picture to show all. ;D
koma Posted February 13, 2008 Posted February 13, 2008 i have the 7002 still playin around with it ut i muz say the hdmi handshake n switchin r veri gd. absolutely no prob with video n audio passin thru frm any hdmi sources and when u switch devices it is quick to handshake with the new device n output the sources in bout 2-3secs. best part is ur video can pass thru without any processing frm the amp to ur display which i heard frm avs forums tat there has been numerous problems on tis part with the denon 3808.
idjit dragon Posted February 13, 2008 Posted February 13, 2008 No Marantz haven't had a phono input on any of there AV Amplifiers for a very long time.You will find that hardly any AV Amplifiers these days are equiped with a Phono input. http://www.avland.co.uk/marantz/sr7002/sr7002.htm If you want to add a phono stage to the Marantz the you can use a phono preamp like the NAD PP2 http://www.lenwallisaudio.com/products/details.php?pid=925 Thanks Gnumbers Makes the Yamahas look even better as I'm fairly sure that they do Cheers Martin
betty boop Posted February 13, 2008 Author Posted February 13, 2008 Thanks GnumbersMakes the Yamahas look even better as I'm fairly sure that they do Cheers Martin martin, the denons historically also have had a phono input. http://www.avland.co.uk/denon/avr3808/avr-3808.htm though to be honest I'd suggest grabbing a affordable nad, CA, Mf jobbie off ebay that would probably do a better job over any phono stage built in an avr http://cgi.ebay.com.au/CAMBRIDGE-AUDIO-AZU...1QQcmdZViewItem typically can come up cheaper too at around $150 or so.
Chui2 Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 Been away and a bit behind the times, but thank you for the review DG. Nice one I liked it so much, I'll likely jump aboard the GB. Will be using the Elektra like you are/will be. Am interested to know your impressions after switching to the power amp. Cheers, Chui
DJQ Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 posting pics on behalf of my frenz. ;D :o look at the built quality! damn!
50mxe20 Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 Had a PM, who I shall leave anonymous, suggesting that after a Denon, I might find the Marantz a lot less dynamic. Comments?
Cody Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 good to hear your enjoying it DG. interesting your comments re sacd multichannel vs cd. I found something similar when got my denon sacd that prefered the multichannel sacd from it vs 2ch, but all that changed when I got my sony and hooked it up my 2ch gear finding better, detail, drive, dynamics sound stage etc. On the whole I prefer mostly the 2ch mixes of most discs, finding the surround mixes a little artificial..eg the ones that put you in the middle of the band vs the ones that you in front of it wiht the 2ch mix. that said do agree there are some discs eg BIA where prefer the multichannel mix and perhaps theres discs out there made to be listened in multichannel. Anyways look forward to how you find things with the elektra upgrade, which should take things further multichannel wise youd think and when you get the 2ch pre which will hopefulyl advance things again with 2ch. Very much agree with you in regards which ever sounds better - nothing savage about that ! hehe good luck with the performance upgrades.... there is no end ! so enjoy the journey as they say cheers, thanks Al. i wonder if i will also change my position on the subject (again) when i add in a dedicated 2ch pre? time will tell. too bad there arent more SACD's with good multi-channel tracks, as sadly many are very poor.
petetherock Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 Koma, does the 7002 come with one or two remotes? Am thinking of using this as a pre-pro. Is the 8 and 7 002 made in China? Cheers i have the 7002 still playin around with it ut i muz say the hdmi handshake n switchin r veri gd. absolutely no prob with video n audio passin thru frm any hdmi sources and when u switch devices it is quick to handshake with the new device n output the sources in bout 2-3secs. best part is ur video can pass thru without any processing frm the amp to ur display which i heard frm avs forums tat there has been numerous problems on tis part with the denon 3808.
Cody Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 I picked up my 7002 last week but only got around to starting to set it up last night. I have over 10 different components to connect to it. It definitely seems to be a slightly better match for my Monitor Audio speakers than my Yammy 2600. I watched a Blu-ray copy of Assassination of Jesse James and the soundtrack (piano and strings) sounded exquisite. And I think that was just a regular DD track too.I'm going to use the 7002's main remote as my universal so will post back if there are any issues there. great to hear Felix - how is it going so far? did you manage to get all the inputs set-up? very interesting reading DG, about to cross the upgrade bridge myself in the next few months.I will be deciding between the Marantz or 1 of the new NADs..decisions, decisions... no doubt also a top notch avr. was thinking a while about the nad pre-pro myself, but the lack of HD codecs put me off. Been away and a bit behind the times, but thank you for the review DG. Nice oneI liked it so much, I'll likely jump aboard the GB. Will be using the Elektra like you are/will be. Am interested to know your impressions after switching to the power amp. Cheers, Chui will certainly post my thoughts chui, im due to receive the elektra any day now...
Cody Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 Had a PM, who I shall leave anonymous, suggesting that after a Denon, I might find the Marantz a lot less dynamic.Comments? cant really comment myself on that one unforunately, having not owned a denon. would be interested in others thoughts though.
Cody Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 I've had both brands and certainly have never been unhappy with Denon I do however find them somewhat bright (a term often used for Yammy's) and lacking depth, this is not a problem I've ever experienced with a Marantz, IMO Marantz are a better all round performer, again this is dependant on what you pay, but I still believe Marantz adage of providing a listening experience is what makes their products so good.Disclaimer: Currently running a Yammy 2700b Disclaimer 2 : Via an Elektra next week thanks for your comments yorac, always great to hear real world experiences. bring on the elektra's
koma Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 pete it comes with 2 remotes but i tink u prob be using 1 remote onli cause i tink the other 1 is crap :p take not the 7002 doesnt come with a ir receiver in/out connector while the 8002 does. so if u intend to put ur receiver in another rm and control it using ir receiver u gotta buy the 8002. yah i tink is mic but so far quality/build n features quite gd to me so cant comment anytin bad bout it. in fact i find it better than the denon 3808 n onkyo 875 Koma, does the 7002 come with one or two remotes? Am thinking of using this as a pre-pro. Is the 8 and 7 002 made in China? Cheers
Jason Tee Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 Juz got mine SR8002 over the CNY period, the first impression I have over mine old SR5300 is that the bass is more tight and clean, right now I am also able to heard the surrround sound more clearly and distinctively. Right now I am still exploring all the function, too bad I do not own any BR player or else I am able to test the DOLBY TRUEHD sound. :-\
Psycho! Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 Thanks DG for a great couple of write ups and everyone for a great thread in general. My situation is so close to DG's its noot funny. Like him I too have the Elektra on order and also would be using the 7002 as a pre/pro. I agree with people who might go the 8002 if that is all they were using and had no designs on getting a 2ch pre in the future. I like the way the Marantz doesnt fart around with any video fancy stuff requiring circuitry to create noise not welcome. The recent aquisition of a DVDO VP50 will compliment the 7002 I have just ordered in the GB. I have owned Maranzt gear in the past and have loved the quality of the product. Reading about the SACD 2ch and multi experiences is interesting to me also. I have also just acquired a Marantz SA-11s1 SACD player and am looking forward to its part in the system. I also will have a multichannnel sacd [universal] player in the loop but actually prefer music from 2 channels myself. As someone said in the thread the multichannel sacd can sound false/fabricated etc.. All in all its going to be great when we finally get into our new home and I finish buying all the other goodies for *Club Psycho! once again thanks DG for your realworld feedback..
betty boop Posted February 14, 2008 Author Posted February 14, 2008 Had a PM, who I shall leave anonymous, suggesting that after a Denon, I might find the Marantz a lot less dynamic.Comments? not sure Id say that about the dynamics. but having demoed both, having owned marantz gear in the past and a denon avr now, and beign very familiar with the denon sound..I'd actually say I quite like the sound charecter of either brand. need to keep in mind in all this the main thing that determines the charecter of a system is the speakers. anything else will influence but in a lot less fashion. if considering avrs, if using the amps on board more of the brand charecter will come through, in your case lyle using the elektra lot of it will determine the result you get. that said there are subtle differences in charecter between the brands in my opinion. Marantz is a lot more closer to nad and the marantz sound to me is a touch of warmth with yet still a fair bit of sparkle and a solid sound, on the down side that can show in some cases show as a bit of hardness ie hard hitting. the denon a sweet sound a bit more delicate and some would charecterise as brighter but certainly not in the way of the pio's for instance. in the end its all a relative and comparitive thing. and what speakers you use will ultimately have a big effect on the result.
Psycho! Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 Had a PM, who I shall leave anonymous, suggesting that after a Denon, I might find the Marantz a lot less dynamic.Comments? Hmm that may be that particular persons perception, though I would doubt it. As Al has pointed out up there ^^ they [Marantz & Denon] are pretty close with the exception of their minor individual sonic traits, not much in it in fact to my ears also. I had a SR4300 hooked up to some JamoE580(?) and the Marantz could certainly get very 'dynamic' for me...just about blow your socks off when cranked!
2Brix Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 Hi D.G., I noticed someone asked about dimming the display on the 7002, and didn't see that anyone had really answered it (although probably sorted by now). 7002's remote is no doubt different but for comparison on the remote for my Marantz SR4200 (2002 entry level model) there's a button called Dimmer and pressing that cycles the display through three settings: bright, dull, and off. I'm using my SR4200 with a NAD power amp for the front stereo speakers, and using the SR4200's (rear) amps to drive the rear speakers. No centre connected at present (too lazy). I'm pretty happy with the SQ as is .... but as many have already said your detailed, and passionate, review has made me too want to upgrade to a 7002 !!! ..... i've so many upgrades being contemplated my head is spinning Good to hear warranty is 3 yrs (I was sure it used to be 2 yrs back when I bought mine). PS. black 'n' gold look gets my vote too. Ed
Chui2 Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 Thanks DG for a great couple of write ups and everyone for a great thread in general. My situation is so close to DG's its noot funny. Like him I too have the Elektra on order and also would be using the 7002 as a pre/pro. I agree with people who might go the 8002 if that is all they were using and had no designs on getting a 2ch pre in the future. I like the way the Marantz doesnt fart around with any video fancy stuff requiring circuitry to create noise not welcome. The recent aquisition of a DVDO VP50 will compliment the 7002 I have just ordered in the GB. Actually Psycho, my set-up is/will be very similar to yours. Looks like I will end up with the 7002 as pre/pro with the Elektra, and I already have the VP50 in place. Then the search will continue for the 2ch pre. All sound familiar??
50mxe20 Posted February 14, 2008 Posted February 14, 2008 Hmm that may be that particular persons perception, though I would doubt it. As Al has pointed out up there ^^ they [Marantz & Denon] are pretty close with the exception of their minor individual sonic traits, not much in it in fact to my ears also. I had a SR4300 hooked up to some JamoE580(?) and the Marantz could certainly get very 'dynamic' for me...just about blow your socks off when cranked! Something I've never fully understood is how much using an AVR as a pre-amp to the Elektra changes the sound.I'm not talking about the improvement the amp makes to the AVR, what I'm wondering is how much a different AVR influences the Elektra. Would two AVR's of quite different sound have an impact on the sound from the amp and how so?
betty boop Posted February 14, 2008 Author Posted February 14, 2008 Something I've never fully understood is how much using an AVR as a pre-amp to the Elektra changes the sound.I'm not talking about the improvement the amp makes to the AVR, what I'm wondering is how much a different AVR influences the Elektra. Would two AVR's of quite different sound have an impact on the sound from the amp and how so? something i'd encourage you to explore if wondering lyle. I did fair few comparisons at various retailer s using different avr/av pre-pros as front end. have posted before on it. the character differences less lot more subtle than if you were comparing using the onboard amps. the denon 3805 having a bit more bite than say the rotel pre-pros I demoed which were more rolled off in the top end and with a fuller bass.
50mxe20 Posted February 15, 2008 Posted February 15, 2008 something i'd encourage you to explore if wondering lyle. I did fair few comparisons at various retailer s using different avr/av pre-pros as front end. have posted before on it. the character differences less lot more subtle than if you were comparing using the onboard amps. the denon 3805 having a bit more bite than say the rotel pre-pros I demoed which were more rolled off in the top end and with a fuller bass. How many AVR's as pre-pros did you test with the Elektra and what were they?
Mining Man Posted February 15, 2008 Posted February 15, 2008 How many AVR's as pre-pros did you test with the Elektra and what were they? From an old thread: Well my avr-pre pro search is over !~ My summary conclusions were that I am very impressed !. This is an extraordinary avr on its own and a very good pre-pro with great features and excellent useability. This comment is based on my in store demos and auditions with the denon 3805, Nad 163 & Rotel 1068 & 1098 and my own HK AVR65 that I’ve owned for a few years now. ~
50mxe20 Posted February 15, 2008 Posted February 15, 2008 (edited) From an old thread:Thanks MM. Were there comments about the results in that thread? He didn't test the 4308!! Ooops 2005 would have been a bit early. Would be interesting to do the testing again with the current suite of AVRs. Edited February 15, 2008 by Lyle
Mining Man Posted February 15, 2008 Posted February 15, 2008 Thanks MM. Were there comments about the results in that thread? He didn't test the 4308!! Ooops 2005 would have been a bit early. Would be interesting to do the testing again with the current suite of AVRs. I understood the 4308 to be a blind buy, on the basis of the 3805's performance with the Elektra in this earlier round of testing. Of course, al has mentioned testing of higher end pre/pros in the past as well, so goodness knows what else that cat has been up to!!
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