JasonInMelbourne Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 (edited) Just been reading the individual 4308 and 3808 threads on AVS and there seems to be quite a bit of dissatisfaction with both units. I don't like the fact that more than one person has been having major problems with the 4308 losing both picture and sound during movies.I was very interested in the 3808 but it too has not been getting the best write ups from the users on AVS. I have had no problems with my 2802 in all the time I have had it it has performed flawlessly. Without researching the problem further, it sounds like some of the HDCP/HDMI handshake problems rearing their heads again. This is why I've stuck with my HTPC since AnyDVD will override HDCP. Edited August 23, 2007 by JasonInMelbourne
OzHTfan Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 true ozht, too expensive for my boots, even the denon pre here.agree all I've heard is, importer is not bringing the integra pre-pro into the country. it woudl be a great affordable pre-pro option otherwise. Yeah the scary thing is you don't get a 'discount' for only buying the pre version of the Denon. From what I can gather it's the same cost for the receiver as just the pre !! I have contacts inside the distributor and it's really down to whether Integra offer the new series internationally. They also told me it seem like Integra was in a 'model change' period right now. So I guess all I can do is wait a couple of months and see. In the mean time I can think about what the permanent processing solution might be in my day to day system but still enjoy the up to date features of the Onkyo, that is until I swap it out to where it's meant to go.
masterleet1503561330 Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 yeah not what wanted to hear. guess its cutting edge stuff these things so a bit buggy, but just wouldnt have expected it with the denons as have been pretty bug free with previous releases Agreed. Which is a shame really. But hopefully firmware updates will be able to address the issues in the future.
Cody Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Just got an update on pricing and availability from a dealer:3808 - $3,299 mid sept 4308 - $4,499 early oct. to my recollection, thats about what the 3806 and 4306 cost (or very close to), so not sure why anyone would expect anything less?
ldu Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 I saw a link somewhere last night to a page comparing the Onkyo 875 to one of the Denons.Anybody know where it is, I can't find it? Here you are: http://www.theosfiles.com/zzz/receiver_com..._vs_3808CI.html
Nevyn72 Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Here you are:http://www.theosfiles.com/zzz/receiver_com..._vs_3808CI.html Thanks for that land!
houng Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 (edited) Why so expensive..?It seems the RRP in the US is only $1599 and given the dollar that should be less than $2000 aussie. AVR-3808CI Yeah given the Yam RX-V3800 is US $1699 and is expected to be AU $2499 the Denons look way over-priced here. I expect the 3800 to be my next AVR given the Denon price ripoff and problems on AVS Edited August 23, 2007 by huong
betty boop Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Yeah given the Yam RX-V3800 is US $1699 and is expected to be AU $2499 the Denons look way over-priced here. I expect the 3800 to be my next AVR given the Denon price ripoff and problems on AVS I understand the denon 3808ci will cost $3k here, discounting might bing that back to $2.5k. denon has a record of their stuff costing signifcantly more here than in the US. well most brands cost a hell of a lot cheaper in HK fo some reason if thats a reason to complain.
JasonInMelbourne Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 (edited) Guys, Just got the e-mail from the Denon Product Manager about the "official" release of the 3808 and 4308 Hello everyone Just a quick note to let you know that we have updated our website to include the new and up coming Denon AV receivers the AVR3808 and AVR4308. Please visit www.denon.com.au or www.audioproducts.com.au The brochure link will allow downloading of the following: . Leaflet · Instruction manual · RS232 codes · IR codes · Back panel layouts · Dimensions The AVR3808 is still on track for a late September release with a $3299 RRP and the AVR4308 will be a month later in late October and will sell for $4999. These 2 receivers will raise the benchmark for all AVR standards and we believe you will be as excited as us about these fantastic new models from the worlds premium AV manufacturer, DENON. Best regards Xxxxxxx Xxxxx Product Manager Edited August 24, 2007 by JasonInMelbourne
betty boop Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 good to know on the date and that up on the oz website..will go have a look. but the $3299 price for the 3808 in oz ouch ! a bit on the high side !
JasonInMelbourne Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 good to know on the date and that up on the oz website..will go have a look.but the $3299 price for the 3808 in oz ouch ! a bit on the high side ! Yes, the Official RRP is about $100 more than what I expected it to be, which was a bit of a (nasty) surprise. I'll be speaking to the boss man soon about some special pricing for you guys...
betty boop Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Yes, the Official RRP is about $100 more than what I expected it to be, which was a bit of a (nasty) surprise.I'll be speaking to the boss man soon about some special pricing for you guys... $100 more than expected ?, as per torbebnm ..try a $1000 more than what they should be ! Why so expensive..?It seems the RRP in the US is only $1599 and given the dollar that should be less than $2000 aussie. AVR-3808CI
JasonInMelbourne Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 $100 more than expected ?, as per torbebnm ..try a $1000 more than what they should be ! I never mentioned anything about the price they should be. (I'll stay out of that one.) Just my experience with Denon pricing in Oz.
mozart1503560475 Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 good to know on the date and that up on the oz website..will go have a look.but the $3299 price for the 3808 in oz ouch ! a bit on the high side ! Bought my 3805 new in Oz for $1750 - they are moving backwards... aren't these things supposed to get cheaper? Very disappointing. With the RXV 3800 coming out too, I expect that Denon will lose some market share here.
JasonInMelbourne Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 (edited) Bought my 3805 new in Oz for $1750 - they are moving backwards... aren't these things supposed to get cheaper? Very disappointing. With the RXV 3800 coming out too, I expect that Denon will lose some market share here. Whenever there's "new" technology, the price is high. Remember the high cost of the the first AC3 and DTS amps and the first 6.1 and 7.1 amps??? How quickly we forget. On top of the 3805, the 3808 has 1080p upscaling/switching, network capability, internet radio, more power. Do you think this stuff comes for free? But I agree it shouldn't be that much more expensive. The RXV-3800 is about the same price as the 3808, so your market share statement doesn't make any sense. And if you're wondering, I'm not a Denon fanboi. I actualy love Yamaha. That said, the new 5 series Onkyo units are pretty good for their prices considering they also do TrueHD, DD Plus and DTS-HD/Master Audio but lack some of the nice extras like USB ports, network capability, internet radio, unless you go for their top TX-NR905. These new units will come down in time. Edited August 25, 2007 by JasonInMelbourne
MACCA350 Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 I was looking at getting the 3808, but due to the price and no necessity for TrueHD decoding in the receiver I'll just pick up a cheap 3806 when these new models hit the shelves. All I need is HDMI with multichannel channel PCM input and processing. cheers
betty boop Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 I was looking at getting the 3808, but due to the price and no necessity for TrueHD decoding in the receiver I'll just pick up a cheap 3806 when these new models hit the shelves. All I need is HDMI with multichannel channel PCM input and processing.cheers yep at $3299 I think I'll pass over the 3808 as well, if I got it it would have only been a top gap till a av pre-pro came along. and $3299 is just too a high a price I think for something I would pass along down the track anyways. s denon have absolutely nothign as excuses in the massive disparity of pricing between the us / japan and here especially given how cheaply their stuff sells for in HK.
houng Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 (edited) Whenever there's "new" technology, the price is high. Remember the high cost of the the first AC3 and DTS amps and the first 6.1 and 7.1 amps??? How quickly we forget.On top of the 3805, the 3808 has 1080p upscaling/switching, network capability, internet radio, more power. Do you think this stuff comes for free? But I agree it shouldn't be that much more expensive. The RXV-3800 is about the same price as the 3808, so your market share statement doesn't make any sense. And if you're wondering, I'm not a Denon fanboi. I actualy love Yamaha. That said, the new 5 series Onkyo units are pretty good for their prices considering they also do TrueHD, DD Plus and DTS-HD/Master Audio but lack some of the nice extras like USB ports, network capability, internet radio, unless you go for their top TX-NR905. These new units will come down in time. The Eastwood HiFi Guy reckons the RXV-3800 will be the same price as the RXV-2700, $2499, which is significantly cheaper than the 3808, and on top of that the Yamaha retails for $100 more in the US. Yamaha became more sensible with their receiver pricing 3 or 4 years ago, let's hope Denon follows the same path, perhaps, by ditching this Audio Products distributor. Edited August 25, 2007 by huong
JasonInMelbourne Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 The Eastwood HiFi Guy reckons the RXV-3800 will be the same price as the RXV-2700, $2499, which is significantly cheaper than the 3808, and on top of that the Yamaha retails for $100 more in the US.Yamaha became more sensible with their receiver pricing 3 or 4 years ago, let's hope Denon follows the same path, perhaps, by ditching this Audio Products distributor. Once the official dates and prices have been set for the new Yamaha amps in Australia AND their as cheap as everyone's guessing, then it'll be definitely time to weigh up the brands. I was speaking to our technician today about Yamaha amps and he says out of principle he won't buy them because as a repairer he gets to see exactly how they're constructed and he says they're rubbish. But, hey, if they sound awesome and are filled with features at a great price, you can't ignore that.
masterleet1503561330 Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 yep at $3299 I think I'll pass over the 3808 as well, if I got it it would have only been a top gap till a av pre-pro came along. and $3299 is just too a high a price I think for something I would pass along down the track anyways.s denon have absolutely nothign as excuses in the massive disparity of pricing between the us / japan and here especially given how cheaply their stuff sells for in HK. I agree, $3299 is pretty high, guess im lucky im getting my 3808 at cost+5%...
kiwimeat Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 I was speaking to our technician today about Yamaha amps and he says out of principle he won't buy them because as a repairer he gets to see exactly how they're constructed and he says they're rubbish. Comments like this really get my goat .... I call it "second-hand hearsay" which people like to repeat as gospel. I'm not sure of the relevance to the actual topic either but that's neither hear nor there. If you don't like Yamaha for what ever reason including illogical or irrational prejudice (mine is BMW's ) then say so. Don't hide behind someone else's statement or prejudices. For the record, I'll be auditioning both the Denon 3808 and the Yamaha 3800 before making a decision about which to upgrade to. I have both Denon and Yamaha mid-range kit and remain very impressed with both. I'll do research elsewhere too (mainly here, AVS and a couple of other sites), but it will be required to be more than a unsubstantiated, second hand comment from an anonymous party to get my attention.
JasonInMelbourne Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 (edited) Comments like this really get my goat .... I call it "second-hand hearsay" which people like to repeat as gospel. I'm not sure of the relevance to the actual topic either but that's neither hear nor there. If you don't like Yamaha for what ever reason including illogical or irrational prejudice (mine is BMW's ) then say so. Don't hide behind someone else's statement or prejudices. For the record, I'll be auditioning both the Denon 3808 and the Yamaha 3800 before making a decision about which to upgrade to. I have both Denon and Yamaha mid-range kit and remain very impressed with both. I'll do research elsewhere too (mainly here, AVS and a couple of other sites), but it will be required to be more than a unsubstantiated, second hand comment from an anonymous party to get my attention. If you're going to quote someone, use the entire quote, not just what you like to make a sensationalistic statement. If you note from a previous post, I said I actually like Yamaha and thought it woud be interesting to post the views of someone who actually has to repair these things, and that I'd be auditioning both anyway. The relevance of talking about Yamaha in a Denon thread is because we're comparing brands and models, so why not include comments about the quality of construction, even if they're from someone else's experience? I was hoping for some good input rather than a useless attack. If you want to use quotes out of context, go work for Woman's Day. And I presume if I get your goat you're not interested in the powerbuy I'll be offering the other people here, but you're in Brisbane so you probably don't care either way. And I'll quote myself, "If they sound awesome and are filled with features at a great price, you can't ignore that." Edited August 25, 2007 by JasonInMelbourne
mozart1503560475 Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 The Eastwood HiFi Guy reckons the RXV-3800 will be the same price as the RXV-2700, $2499, which is significantly cheaper than the 3808, and on top of that the Yamaha retails for $100 more in the US.Yamaha became more sensible with their receiver pricing 3 or 4 years ago, let's hope Denon follows the same path, perhaps, by ditching this Audio Products distributor. I don't think that the Yamaha plays FLAC, so if you are like me and have all your CD's ripped to FLAC its Denon or Sqeezebox to anything else, which sorta wastes the network features.
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