norpus Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 The other option that got suggested to me when I asked for pre/pro options over on AVS was NAD's new pre landing here here next month, the T175. It should be very well priced and have all the up to date features more or less. It has been said the HD format decoding with added as an upgrade a little later, when the demand gets stronger though. I'm also considering whether just using one of the lesser Denons in my main system where I've got the 805 temporarily setup will do as well. But the NAD sounds like a very possible solution. In replacing or upgrading my current Denon A1XV to the new Flagship receiver, I know I'll be able to afford it, but I can't see myself justifying it. In that system I'd even be inclined to trade the Denon in on a different pre/amp solution. Yes, I do not need all the video scaling stuff (which adds complexity and cost) I'd prefer something a bit simpler but high quality in SQ, with audussey or similar
betty boop Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Yes, I do not need all the video scaling stuff (which adds complexity and cost)I'd prefer something a bit simpler but high quality in SQ, with audussey or similar yeah I'm seriously looking at the nad for that reason, has the audessey plus the aureous TI processor as the integra and new rotel plus the upgradeable architecture for the future. the best thing about the nad is price $2500 vs all the other options onkyo/denon etc which are a lot more expensive but paying for all options and features might never use.
com59841503560232 Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 (edited) When we finally get some stock coming through and if any of you are still interested, I'll be getting the boss-man to work out a price to offer to y'all. Thanks Jason, add me to the list of potential purchasers of 4308 Sorry Jason but I have gone down the Integra path, good luck with the GB Cheers Rob Edited September 10, 2007 by com5984
Curious Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Yes, I do not need all the video scaling stuff (which adds complexity and cost) I'd prefer something a bit simpler but high quality in SQ, with audussey or similar yeah I'm seriously looking at the nad for that reason, has the audessey plus the aureous TI processor as the integra and new rotel plus the upgradeable architecture for the future. the best thing about the nad is price $2500 vs all the other options onkyo/denon etc which are a lot more expensive but paying for all options and features might never use. I'm curious ( ) as to why the Cary isn't getting a mention as a Pre/Pro alternative....any particular reason or is it simply because there is very little info available? Cheers, Curious
betty boop Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Yes, I do not need all the video scaling stuff (which adds complexity and cost)I'd prefer something a bit simpler but high quality in SQ, with audussey or similar I'm curious ( ) as to why the Cary isn't getting a mention as a Pre/Pro alternative....any particular reason or is it simply because there is very little info available? Cheers, Curious the cary is still stuck in the non hdmi generation as far as I know without any plans detailed for upgrades. at present, in the affordable realm, the only hdmi audio processing pre-pro contenders I know off are the upcoming nad & rotel, the integra we are not getting, the pio pre-pro jsut shown & the audiolab that we may or may not get, and possibly a sherwood release next year.
Cody Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 yeah I'm seriously looking at the nad for that reason, has the audessey plus the aureous TI processor as the integra and new rotel plus the upgradeable architecture for the future. the best thing about the nad is price $2500 vs all the other options onkyo/denon etc which are a lot more expensive but paying for all options and features might never use. same here. besides, you can always add a video processor if thats what you want. I reckon the NAD + a s/h VP30 would be a great combo and muuuuch cheaper than the Denon.
Mr_Gimlet Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 the cary is still stuck in the non hdmi generation as far as I know without any plans detailed for upgrades. at present, in the affordable realm, the only hdmi audio processing pre-pro contenders I know off are the upcoming nad & rotel, the integra we are not getting, the pio pre-pro jsut shown & the audiolab that we may or may not get, and possibly a sherwood release next year. Actually, your comment about Cary is not strictly true. They have a device at CEDIA they’re calling the 11v. It hooks up to their 11A pre/pro with RS232, is primarily a video processor but also has six HDMI 1.3 outputs which strips the video from the signal and sends the audio directly via Cary’s proprietary digital audio connection to their pre-amp. http://blog.stereophile.com/cedia2007/090807cary/
Curious Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 the cary is still stuck in the non hdmi generation as far as I know without any plans detailed for upgrades. at present, in the affordable realm, the only hdmi audio processing pre-pro contenders I know off are the upcoming nad & rotel, the integra we are not getting, the pio pre-pro jsut shown & the audiolab that we may or may not get, and possibly a sherwood release next year. Righto, thanks Al. So the main concern is getting an 'all in one' solution to handle picture and sound via HDMI, rather than a separate video scaler and surround processor yeah? I guess the question for me is: "do I need to have surround processed via HDMI"...and the answer is 'yes' (I think) - if I want to process True-HD & HD-MA etc as this will not transmit via analogue outs or a Optical/Digital Coax lead from my PS3 or HD-A1...I think Curious
betty boop Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Actually, your comment about Cary is not strictly true. They have a device at CEDIA they’re calling the 11v. It hooks up to their 11A pre/pro with RS232, is primarily a video processor but also has six HDMI 1.3 outputs which strips the video from the signal and sends the audio directly via Cary’s proprietary digital audio connection to their pre-amp.http://blog.stereophile.com/cedia2007/090807cary/ interesting but to me that jsut sounds like an interim add on device the kind of likes some other makers have brought out ot bide time till they have completed the necessary developement ot give full hdmi audio capability to their pre-pros.
Cody Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 (edited) Righto, thanks Al.So the main concern is getting an 'all in one' solution to handle picture and sound via HDMI, rather than a separate video scaler and surround processor yeah? I guess the question for me is: "do I need to have surround processed via HDMI"...and the answer is 'yes' (I think) - if I want to process True-HD & HD-MA etc as this will not transmit via analogue outs or a Optical/Digital Coax lead from my PS3 or HD-A1...I think Curious Hi Curious, 5.1 analogue is fine for all the new codecs, so long as the player has all the decoders. Currently DTS-HD MA is the missing link here, although this is changing with some of the new players. the problem is though, unless you go with a combo player such as the LG or new Samsung (when its released), your going to have 2 sources (HD-DVD and BR) but only 1 set of 5.1 analogue inputs (unless you happen to own a Sony TA-DA9000ES) - which is Al's predicament now. Plus, going the analogue path, your stuck using the DAC's in the player. you mention a PS3, in which case yes HDMI is needed. apologies if im telling you stuiff you already know Edited September 10, 2007 by D.G.
radd Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Does this mean they have landed..?Or does it look too good to be true.. I rang the number in the ebay ad (they have 4308s too). They apparently are Australian models (well, at least legitimately imported). Warranty is back to base (which is in Sydney - a lot better than Singapore!). Availability should be in 1-2 days according to the person I spoke to, hopefully we'll start seeing them in stores in a few weeks. The price is pretty good!
Curious Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 (edited) Hi Curious, 5.1 analogue is fine for all the new codecs, so long as the player has all the decoders. Currently DTS-HD MA is the missing link here, although this is changing with some of the new players. the problem is though, unless you go with a combo player such as the LG or new Samsung (when its released), your going to have 2 sources (HD-DVD and BR) but only 1 set of 5.1 analogue inputs (unless you happen to own a Sony TA-DA9000ES) - which is Al's predicament now. Plus, going the analogue path, your stuck using the DAC's in the player.you mention a PS3, in which case yes HDMI is needed. apologies if im telling you stuiff you already know Thanks for the update D.G., Even if I have heard it before, it sometimes takes a few 'listenings' for it to sink in Two questions: 1. Will Digital coax out from the PS3 or Toshiba HD-A1 carry 7.1 channel? (Assuming the disc i'm playing has it onboard) 2. Will Digital coax out from the PS3 or Toshiba HD-A1 carry DTS HD-MA? (Assuming the disc i'm playing has it onboard) At the moment I'm under the impression that Digital Coax will carry 7.1 but not DTS HD-MA Cheers, Curious Edited September 10, 2007 by Curious
cwt Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Thanks for the update D.G.,Even if I have heard it before, it sometimes takes a few 'listenings' for it to sink in Two questions: 1. Will Digital coax out from the PS3 or Toshiba HD-A1 carry 7.1 channel? (Assuming the disc i'm playing has it onboard) 2. Will Digital coax out from the PS3 or Toshiba HD-A1 carry DTS HD-MA? (Assuming the disc i'm playing has it onboard) At the moment I'm under the impression that Digital Coax will carry 7.1 but not DTS HD-MA Cheers, Curious Hi Curious; If you want the full bandwidth lossless dolby true hd/dts hd ma digital coax does not support this .You will need 7.1 analog out [the new samsung duo player has this ]or hdmi 1.1/2 for pcm delivery when decoded by the player or hdmi 1.3 if you want the avr to decode.The toshie xe1 will be getting a bitstream by pass for dts hd ma shortly for decoding in the new avr's and some pre pro's
Curious Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Hi Curious; If you want the full bandwidth lossless dolby true hd/dts hd ma digital coax does not support this .You will need 7.1 analog out [the new samsung duo player has this ]or hdmi 1.1/2 for pcm delivery when decoded by the player or hdmi 1.3 if you want the avr to decode.The toshie xe1 will be getting a bitstream by pass for dts hd ma shortly for decoding in the new avr's and some pre pro's Thanks CWT... Does that mean I'll need to upgrade all my HDMI cables to v1.3 as well? Curious
nightbreed Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 I can confirm that both units will be released on the 5/09/07. There will be limited stock for the first shipment so get your orders in fast.
cwt Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 (edited) Thanks CWT...Does that mean I'll need to upgrade all my HDMI cables to v1.3 as well? Curious Shouldnt have to ATM Curious. 1.3 is basically for things like deep colour [ sony has xv ycc encoded discs which are not the real deal coming up ] -you need a 1.3 projector for these in any case Hdmi.org has this faq - Higher speed: Although all previous versions of HDMI have had more than enough bandwidth to support all current HDTV formats, HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds So basically your current hdmi cables have the bandwidth to handle 1080i/p and the lossless audio :)The HD DVD and bluray specs I should add dont include fair dinkum deep colour. Edited September 10, 2007 by cwt
Curious Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Shouldnt have to ATM Curious. 1.3 is basically for things like deep colour [ sony has xv ycc encoded discs which are not the real deal coming up ] -you need a 1.3 projector for these in any case Hdmi.org has this faq - Higher speed: Although all previous versions of HDMI have had more than enough bandwidth to support all current HDTV formats, HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds So basically your current hdmi cables have the bandwidth to handle 1080i/p and the lossless audio :)The HD DVD and bluray specs I should add dont include fair dinkum deep colour. Thanks again cwt, Good to know my new(ish) cables will be useful for a little while yet Cheers, Curious
HeatVision Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 As well as looking at the Yamaha amps, also remember to compare the Marantz and Integra. The 7001 and the 7.8 respectively are the direct competitors to the 3808, and both are priced (RRP) at $2599. MUCH better value IMO. The SR7001 only does upconversion, not upscaling, and doesn't have any DNLA support so I don't think it's a valid comparison. The Onkyo TX905 and Yamaha V3800 seem more feature matched (with better video scalars in both cases).
betty boop Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 I rang the number in the ebay ad (they have 4308s too). They apparently are Australian models (well, at least legitimately imported). Warranty is back to base (which is in Sydney - a lot better than Singapore!).Availability should be in 1-2 days according to the person I spoke to, hopefully we'll start seeing them in stores in a few weeks. The price is pretty good! i'm personally very suprised at the $2.5k pricing on the 3808 they have their on ebay especially given the rrp of $3299 !. would be important to know the exact origin of these units I think. either ways hopefulyl means the actual street prices on these are a lot mroe reasonable that the $3299 originally touted.
dantan Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 I reckon an RRP of $3,299.00 for the new Denon 3808 sounds just about right, unfortunately. When I purchased my Denon 2807, RRP was (probably still is) $2,200.00, while the Denon 3807 was about one thousand dollars more expensive.
betty boop Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 I reckon an RRP of $3,299.00 for the new Denon 3808 sounds just about right, unfortunately. When I purchased my Denon 2807, RRP was (probably still is) $2,200.00, while the Denon 3807 was about one thousand dollars more expensive. think you might be a bit confused. the 3807? dont believe there was any such animal ? the 3806 ? sells for $2699 http://www.carltonaudiovisual.com.au/?q=node/view/433 http://www.tivolihifi.com.au/index.php?mai...products_id=293 and even that dealers were saying wasnt worth it over the 3805 that you could easily get under $2k.
JasonInMelbourne Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 (edited) i'm personally very suprised at the $2.5k pricing on the 3808 they have their on ebay especially given the rrp of $3299 !. would be important to know the exact origin of these units I think. either ways hopefulyl means the actual street prices on these are a lot mroe reasonable that the $3299 originally touted. Our rep has told our boss-man that AudioGroup has investigated this "dealer" in NSW and the place is apparently a shed and the units are 110v and anyone trying to claim any warranty issues through AudioGroup would not be serviced. Even AudioGroup hasn't received their stock yet! Investigations are continuing as to who and where the eBay dealer got them from, but at this early stage everything is pointing towards the USA. We're supposed to be getting silver units this week and black and champagne units after Sept 20. As these come in I'll post more about what we can do for anyone here interested in purchasing through us. Make mine Black! Edited September 12, 2007 by JasonInMelbourne
betty boop Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 Our rep has told our boss-man that AudioGroup has investigated this "dealer" in NSW and the place is apparently a shed and the units are 110v and anyone trying to claim any warranty issues through AudioGroup would not be serviced.Investigations are continuing as to who and where the eBay dealer got them from. it would have to be a bit dodgy given the price jason.
betty boop Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 ~We're supposed to be getting silver units this week and black and champagne units after Sept 20. As these come in I'll post more about what we can do for anyone here interested in purchasing through us. Make mine Black! hehe great to see actually the silver units are coming and champagne ! wow great to see that return to the denon range. teh old champagne denons really had some class to them I reckon
radd Posted September 12, 2007 Posted September 12, 2007 i'm personally very suprised at the $2.5k pricing on the 3808 they have their on ebay especially given the rrp of $3299 !. would be important to know the exact origin of these units I think. either ways hopefulyl means the actual street prices on these are a lot mroe reasonable that the $3299 originally touted. I am surprised at the price too - I'm just repeating what the guy told me over the phone. After looking at the Audio Products site, it would be interesting to see if they have the 'C tick' mark certifying an Australian model.
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