Anthony123 Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 (edited) ive noticed my 3808 runs pretty warm in the entertainment deck.... actually a bit worried cause where it sits it just fits in the hole and the shelf above it i have foxtel IQ and if i leave the glas door closed when they are both on it gets really hot in there!!!! i mean the metal on both is quite HOT to touch.... hope they can take this amount of heat!!!! Edited October 19, 2007 by MrTypeR
betty boop Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 ive noticed my 3808 runs pretty warm in the entertainment deck.... actually a bit worried cause where it sits it just fits in the hole and the shelf above it i have foxtel IQ and if i leave the glas door closed when they are both on it gets really hot in there!!!! i mean the metal on both is quite HOT to touch.... hope they can take this amount of heat!!!! thanks for posting re the 3808. your situation sounds quite bad actualy. probably not very good in the wrong run for either your 3808 or the foxtel unit. heat in the long run will cause failure, with components like caps giving up the ghost in prolonged conditions like this. the avr, well any amp needs bit of space around it to breathe. if you have a look in your manual you'll find some quite conservative spacing recommendations. having it jsut fit in a hole doesnt sound liek adequate space and especially since if the components are getting quite hot to touch. perhaps post some pics to clarify and people might have some suggestions. I'm worried myself re the 3808/4308 if they run quite warm hot as in my situation even though I would have a bit of gap up the top and sides and with an open back and front, its would still be in a cabinet and would be maybe not good for it long term.
JasonInMelbourne Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Yes, these AVRs do run hot, hence the plastic heat shield over the vented areas where it gets really hot to the touch! If space is an issue and good passive ventilation is not possible, you may have to consider installing small fans into your cabinet. Otherwise it could be an early and/or costly death to your equipment!
Skellington Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Yes, these AVRs do run hot, hence the plastic heat shield over the vented areas where it gets really hot to the touch!If space is an issue and good passive ventilation is not possible, you may have to consider installing small fans into your cabinet. Otherwise it could be an early and/or costly death to your equipment! I definately wouldnt say these run hot... 'hot' to me implies being unable to leave your hand on the unit for more than a short period, and these are NOWHERE near that. Yeah they get 'warm to the touch', but even after a Spiderman Blu-Ray marathon @ never below -20.0db on the volume, mine (3808) was not even close to what id consider 'hot' - and im running 4ohm front speakers & 6ohms for the rest. Its positioned in a cabinet, open front & back, with approx 8-10cms clearance above & maybe 0.5cms each side. The area with the plastic cover doesnt seem to produce much if any heat at all - along the back seems to be where the most comes from. Im a bit of a heat freak also... the heat issues with the Onkyos turned me right off them - but im not concerned in the least with the Denons temperature.
marty_monster Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 This sounds like a definite grey import to me as the standard warranty "out-of-the-box" for all genuine Australian Denon products is 2 years. If you have an issue with the item and approach Audio Products Group for help they will turn you away.So, the easiest way to tell if it a grey import or not is if they're offering anything other than 24 months standard warranty. Anything less indicates it will not be given after-sales support by Audio Products Group, so stay away from it, unless you like taking risks. I asked this person about an Infocus IN82 PJ they for sale. This is part of the response. This projector has be underwritten and will be repaired in Australia and covered for 24 months. Warranty is back to base. Tax invoice with warranty information given on purchase. They did not answer my question about whether it is an Australian import or a black market import. I instead purchased my IN82 as part of my Denon 4308 group buy organised by Jason. I prefer an Australian import, especially from a local shop with great customer service. Martin
marty_monster Posted October 22, 2007 Posted October 22, 2007 saw a note from tassie devil saying that the 4308 runs very hot ? anyone else experiencing this and how hot do the 3808's run ? ta in advance. If I remember, I will check mine tonight
cmdwedge Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Sorry if this has already been covered, but what the hell is up with the pricing on the 3808 in Australia? It's $3299 RRP here in Australia, but $1599 in the US.. which at the current rate, converts to $1793 Australian! We're talking just under DOUBLE the price to buy the unit in Australia. What utter, utter bollocks. I'm headed for Hawaii in 2 weeks, if I buy a 3808 in the store, will it work with 240v when I get home, or are they hardwired to 120v? Ridiculous. And I thought that Sony were ripping people off with the price of the PS3 - seems that this is just standard issue for Australians. FU, Denon Australia distributors (whomever you might be).
betty boop Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Sorry if this has already been covered, but what the hell is up with the pricing on the 3808 in Australia? It's $3299 RRP here in Australia, but $1599 in the US.. which at the current rate, converts to $1793 Australian!We're talking just under DOUBLE the price to buy the unit in Australia. What utter, utter bollocks. I'm headed for Hawaii in 2 weeks, if I buy a 3808 in the store, will it work with 240v when I get home, or are they hardwired to 120v? Ridiculous. And I thought that Sony were ripping people off with the price of the PS3 - seems that this is just standard issue for Australians. FU, Denon Australia distributors (whomever you might be). yep its a rip orf and the local denon guys know it and laughing all the way to the bank ! buying a us one wont help, but maybe might be able to pick up a 240v version from the likes of HK if stopping over. there are some much cheaper options in the yams and onkyos and are also fully loded models.
cmdwedge Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 yep its a rip orf and the local denon guys know it and laughing all the way to the bank ! buying a us one wont help, but maybe might be able to pick up a 240v version from the likes of HK if stopping over. there are some much cheaper options in the yams and onkyos and are also fully loded models. The local Denon guys can kiss my arse. After 30 minutes of research, I'm getting a RXV-3800. Does everything the 3808 does, but costs $800 less (hell, $1300 less after negotiation) and comes with an iPod dock, which is something I really wanted anyway. *raises middle finger to Denon Australia* And I wanted a Denon too...
shauno_gc Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Sorry if this has already been covered, but what the hell is up with the pricing on the 3808 in Australia? It's $3299 RRP here in Australia, but $1599 in the US.. which at the current rate, converts to $1793 Australian!We're talking just under DOUBLE the price to buy the unit in Australia. What utter, utter bollocks. I'm headed for Hawaii in 2 weeks, if I buy a 3808 in the store, will it work with 240v when I get home, or are they hardwired to 120v? Ridiculous. And I thought that Sony were ripping people off with the price of the PS3 - seems that this is just standard issue for Australians. FU, Denon Australia distributors (whomever you might be). Mate your right its a rip off in Australia. Denon aren't the only one. There are several companies all profiteering on the exchange rate. They all seem to be setting prices based on a 50c exchange rate like it was back around 98 99. Sony do it with their Laptops I was looking at buying one of the new TZ series laptops and can save 1300 aussie buying the exact same model in Singapore. Take another example of how we get ripped off in Australia a new Porsche 911 GT3 costs 254,000 (226,000US) here and the same car costs 106,000US in the states.
RodN Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 The local Denon guys can kiss my arse. After 30 minutes of research, I'm getting a RXV-3800. Does everything the 3808 does, but costs $800 less (hell, $1300 less after negotiation) and comes with an iPod dock, which is something I really wanted anyway.*raises middle finger to Denon Australia* And I wanted a Denon too... I'm also considering the Yamaha cmdwedge you are not alone. I love Denon gear and it's really nicely built but the AUS/US price differential is somewhat of a joke - SOMEONE is making a LOT of money with these Denons.
Chaff Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 After much research I dont think you can just pull the trigger at Denon alone on pricing in Australia. Was close to gettting the Onkyo 875 but waited until the Denon 3808 and Yamaha 3800 came out for a comparison and glad i did as i really wanted the Net radio feature and did not like the heat the Onkyo generated albeit driving 4 ohm speakers on display. Could not get the Onkyo in SA for less than $2200. HN would not even get to $2500 even though they have been going from HN in other states for over $300 less! Japan does not offer the 875 but the 905 can bet got for around A$2700 - A big difference to the $3700 plus prices i have seen here. After going to a specialist Hi Fi store in Adelaide (Yes we do have one, and they have power) and auditioning the 3808 vs 3800 decided on the Denon as i liked the sound better after trying several formats (Dont ask me to expand on why - Just liked it). The 2700 could be found for as low as A$1500 in Japan around two months before the 3800 was released. Ended up paying around $600 more for the Denon over what i could have got the 3800 for, however i am more than happy with the Denon after playing around with it for a week now.
betty boop Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 I'm also considering the Yamaha cmdwedge you are not alone. I love Denon gear and it's really nicely built but the AUS/US price differential is somewhat of a joke - SOMEONE is making a LOT of money with these Denons. I know same here, I cant believe it ! but yeah I jsut cant see myself shelling the kind of money for the denons theyre asking. the 4308's pricing is beyond a joke ! the yamahas and onkyos seem much more reasonably priced for what they are. agree though 'turn it on' that many may still probably buy for their own reasons.
kiwimeat Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Look at this way....buy new Onkyo 705 or Yamaha 1800 with new HD Audio, HDMI 1.3, and pre-outs and a power amp (eg Rotel RMB 1075) and still probably come out ahead of a 4308 in both cash and performance terms. I'll be auditioning the new Denon's against the 3800 but the Yammy is almost certain to win out as my long term plans include adding a power amp at a later date.
RodN Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 What is frustrating for me is that the Denon is a lurveellyyyy peice of equipment and when we know how much it costs to build (the US price is RRP only so includes their margins) its bloody frustrating to see. Actually I'm tempted to write a letter to Denon US for some sort of explanation. Fortunately we are lucky with the likes of NAD/Sony/Onkyo/Integra/Yamaha and so on as options.
big_marcelo Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 Look at this way....buy new Onkyo 705 or Yamaha 1800 with new HD Audio, HDMI 1.3, and pre-outs and a power amp (eg Rotel RMB 1075) and still probably come out ahead of a 4308 in both cash and performance terms. I'll be auditioning the new Denon's against the 3800 but the Yammy is almost certain to win out as my long term plans include adding a power amp at a later date. yes, the onkyos (even the 805) and yamaha's should leave a lot of change in comparisson to the Denons.....
eleventyseven Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 What is frustrating for me is that the Denon is a lurveellyyyy peice of equipment and when we know how much it costs to build (the US price is RRP only so includes their margins) its bloody frustrating to see. Actually I'm tempted to write a letter to Denon US for some sort of explanation.Fortunately we are lucky with the likes of NAD/Sony/Onkyo/Integra/Yamaha and so on as options. Someone needs to let Denon know what's going on here (although I suspect they would know). I think in time, due mainly to the number of great options out there, Denon's prices will have to drop. For what it's worth, I think Denon should have more than one reseller in Australia as there's no compelling reason for Audio Products Group to change. The response I've had from them in the past when I've put the question to them has been very much, like it or lump it.
MACCA350 Posted October 23, 2007 Posted October 23, 2007 (edited) Someone needs to let Denon know what's going on here (although I suspect they would know). I think in time, due mainly to the number of great options out there, Denon's prices will have to drop.For what it's worth, I think Denon should have more than one reseller in Australia as there's no compelling reason for Audio Products Group to change. The response I've had from them in the past when I've put the question to them has been very much, like it or lump it. Well I've been a Denon fan for a long time(since I was a kid) and they've had about $5k out of me. I was looking to upgrade the 3805 to the 3808......but now I will be reconsidering my purchasing options. It's a shame because Denon make top quality gear and I've been happy with all my Denon gear............but if they don't come out of the clouds for Australia........they've lost me. Shame.....shame Edited October 23, 2007 by MACCA350
JasonInMelbourne Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 (edited) I'll admit that the only way I could afford the (angelic choir in the background) Denon AVR3808 was knowing the right people. Hence why I'm trying to share the love with other HT fanatics here with the group buy. The RXV3800 certainly offers excellent bang for your buck and would've been my next choice if it wasn't for the fact that I could get a better discount off the AVR3808 than the RXV3800. I've been a Yamaha fan for quite some time and loved my DSP-A3090, so it was a bit of a hesitant switch to the Denon. But now I'm as happy a pig in... well, you know. Edited October 24, 2007 by JasonInMelbourne
eleventyseven Posted October 24, 2007 Posted October 24, 2007 I'll admit that the only way I could afford the (angelic choir in the background) Denon AVR3808 was knowing the right people. Hence why I'm trying to share the love with other HT fanatics here with the group buy.The RXV3800 certainly offers excellent bang for your buck and would've been my next choice if it wasn't for the fact that I could get a better discount off the AVR3808 than the RXV3800. I've been a Yamaha fan for quite some time and loved my DSP-A3090, so it was a bit of a hesitant switch to the Denon. But now I'm as happy a pig in... well, you know. Jason, what you've done with the GB should be commended (and from all the positive responses it is). I still think at the prices you have arranged, the Denon gear is a rip-off. If I thought I was getting value for money at the prices they're asking, I wouldn't have any gripes (even if I thought it was value for money at 10 grand) but the reseller here is gorging on Denon's good name when it seems obvious the price could come down. With inflationary pressures, I don't think it'll be long before our dollar is on parity with the US dollar (1 for 1) but i can't see that changing the attitude of the local reseller. I can accept paying say 20 - 30% more than the US (smaller market, different power supply, yadda, yadda) but even with your deal it's almost 100%. That's not value in my opinion (and I don't think I'm alone).
RodN Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 Someone needs to let Denon know what's going on here (although I suspect they would know). I think in time, due mainly to the number of great options out there, Denon's prices will have to drop.For what it's worth, I think Denon should have more than one reseller in Australia as there's no compelling reason for Audio Products Group to change. The response I've had from them in the past when I've put the question to them has been very much, like it or lump it. I expect that there would be something in the contract between Denon and Audio Products that ensures that they can't charge too much and block a whole country out of the market of products. That is pure speculation though.
HeatVision Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 I expect that there would be something in the contract between Denon and Audio Products that ensures that they can't charge too much and block a whole country out of the market of products. That is pure speculation though. I would expect that it's the opposite - I reckon the agreement would state that Audio Products has an exclusive deal (aka a monopoly) and as a result they will just charge whatever they like.
RodN Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 I would expect that it's the opposite - I reckon the agreement would state that Audio Products has an exclusive deal (aka a monopoly) and as a result they will just charge whatever they like. Fair enough... it's just kinda strange as if you get someone that's greedy the Brand suffers so would expect some sort of clause to exist in there from Denons behalf trying to protect them from that.... But fair enough good point that might be the case.
joz Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 Some time last year I over heard a conversation with a Denon Rep and a dealer. Basically at the time the rep was saying that they felt they had introduced their current product range to cheap, and felt as if they were missing out on additional profits. I suppose they're trying to make up for it now
Curious Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 Well I've been a Denon fan for a long time(since I was a kid) and they've had about $5k out of me. It's a shame because Denon make top quality gear and I've been happy with all my Denon gear............but if they don't come out of the clouds for Australia........they've lost me. Same for me Macca, I've spent close to $30,000 on Denon gear over the years, and I felt it was worth it cos it sounded better than anything priced the same (or less) to my ears...this is no longer the case, there are many comparable brands that simply cost less. A great example is the new Denon Pre-Pro gear...$26,000 for the kit! I have thrown my hat in the ring with another brand that have produced a high quality Pre-Pro at an affordable price...and not only that, I have chosen to clean out all my Denon gear 'cos anything I buy that is new will look out of place next to the Denon Champagne Gold finish 'tis a sad day when turning a profit via the grooming of existing customer base is thrown away for a 'get rich quick' scheme... Well done on the Group Buy Jason, you are to be commended for helping the die hard Denon fans achieve their dreams at a better price than they would otherwise have to pay Cheers, Curious
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