ikanyubodoh Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 From what I gathered through the cyberspace; Marantz SR6004; Pros - Audio from Source direct rox and beats the rest. Nicely built. Intelligient learning remote. Bluetooth. Cons - No Dynamic EQ when bitstreaming HD Audio. Ocassionally 'Death Pop' as reported by some users in USA and Europe. Denon 2310; Pros - Anchorbay Video Processor rox and tops the rest. Price SGD60 cheaper than the above. Cons - Bright? Remote needs some gettign use to. Not UK tuned. Handshake issues with certain BD player. Questions; 1. Hmmm, everything aside, will either pair with my Samsung without handshake issue? Bring my Samsung TV down to make sure no problem? :o 2. HDMI input; is it true that if I want to AVR to do video scaling and HD Audio, I should join any source via component or RCA right? HDMI will mean audio and video is only passing through without process? Thanks in advance for all the help.
armoury Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 From what I gathered through the cyberspace; You need to listen to them yourself. Doesn't matter what others think of the sound, if your ears don't like it, it's not for you. Questions; 2. HDMI input; is it true that if I want to AVR to do video scaling and HD Audio, I should join any source via component or RCA right? HDMI will mean audio and video is only passing through without process? Doesn't sound right. Component is limited to 1080i for video, and RCA for audio means analog only, unless you mean coaxial in which case you lose all hi def audio as well. Usually with an HDMI receiver, all connections are done with HDMI only. I think what you may mean is that on some receivers, as you've noted the Marantz, the receiver can't EQ bitstreamed DTS MA or DD THD, and can only do it to LPCM. Then it's a matter of making the correct setting at the BD player end to send the approrpriate output. As for video, my 2-cents' worth is that the processing chip in the receiver isn't necessarily better than the one in the BD player (if you're upscaling DVDs) or the one in the TV (all hi def TVs have upscalers, by definition, to upscale non-1080 material up to its native 1080 lines). If you have the facilities to compare everything properly, then good, but to me it's not a big issue. Indeed my Marantz 8002 doesn't have video upscaling at all, and I let either the Oppo or the Pioneer do the work and don't miss it at all.
ikanyubodoh Posted December 21, 2009 Author Posted December 21, 2009 Already auditioned both :P Really dunno what to make out of them. They both sounded plenty of 'Boomz', 'Shingz', 'Piangz' from the movies. Translate; both pack some sonic muscles to keep me entertained. So the issue is more on compatiblity of my TV I am afraid. Re cable, I am still fuzzy about which to which. So my apologies if my statement sounded weird. I take it from you that HDMI is the way to go. And that source (BD or Media player) has ability to select bitstreaming options instead of letting the receiver to do it. Right? ::)
n3wk1d Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 If I can choose from both of them, I'll get the Marantz anytime. As mentioned by yourself, the source direct and certain mode in Marantz are really good. Go with your own preference. It's you who would own it not me. :P
Guest tonytakitani Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Already auditioned both :P Really dunno what to make out of them. They both sounded plenty of 'Boomz', 'Shingz', 'Piangz' from the movies. Translate; both pack some sonic muscles to keep me entertained. Suggest you try a concert BD (eg Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Live at Radio City) or your favorite music CD. Thats where the most obvious difference can be heard.
armoury Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Re cable, I am still fuzzy about which to which. So my apologies if my statement sounded weird. I take it from you that HDMI is the way to go. And that source (BD or Media player) has ability to select bitstreaming options instead of letting the receiver to do it. Right? ::) Bitstreaming does sort-of mean letting the receiver do it: this means the BDP outputs the 'raw' DTS-MA or DD-THD bitstream (hence the name) straight off the disc and to the receiver, letting the receiver do the decoding. The other way is for the BDP to decode the DTA-MA or DD-THD into LPCM, then it feeds LPCM to the receiver. Either way, the receiver receives digital information which it converts ultimately into the analog output. The "analog" way is to connect the 5.1 audio outputs from the BDP to the receiver, so the BDP decodes into analog already, then feeds it to the receiver which then just amplifies it and sends it to the speakers. This is clunky, but in the bad old days was the only way (with many player/receiver combos) to play back SACD or DVD-A. Suggest you try a concert BD (eg Dave Matthews & Tim Reynolds Live at Radio City) or your favorite music CD. Thats where the most obvious difference can be heard. Good advice. Music quality is more obvious, but then again some would then claim that this is deliberately playing to Marantz's perceived strength of being more 'musical'. Personally my view has always been that if it can play music well, a movie should be no problem. And I've never quite understood the critique of Marantz's not having enough "slam" or "punchiness" for movie explosions -- mine have always been plenty enough loud for me. Then again I have had the SR8200 and now the SR8002, which are at the more powerful end of Marantz AVRs.
kemp98 Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 As of now, the xxx4 series still CANNOT apply Audyssey or other post-processing to a bitstream lossless signal from a Hi Def source. Buyers should take note. - petetherock http://www.xtremeplace.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=47699.690
Alpc Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 so Marantz SR6004 is UK tuned? :P Erm... What does "UK tuned" means??? Is it better?
Guest tonytakitani Posted December 21, 2009 Posted December 21, 2009 Personally my view has always been that if it can play music well, a movie should be no problem. I agree. Its the same with subwoofers too.
ikanyubodoh Posted December 22, 2009 Author Posted December 22, 2009 thanks for the input guys;) likely to get a marantz later .
WatCult Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 So what are the current prices for Marantz 6004 and the Denon 2310? Not considering Onkyo?
Norman_Chan Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 How much is Onkyo 807? ;D Think is S$1.4k++
DJQ Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Denon 2310 is better when it comes to HT movies. :)
asianboy Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 IMO Denon surround sound is better than Yamaha and Onkyo. Can't say about Marantz as i haven't tested it in my room.
asianboy Posted December 22, 2009 Posted December 22, 2009 Erm... What does "UK tuned" means??? Is it better? I don't know as I have not listened to UK tuned receivers but I am sure it will not be good for everybody and I wouldn't say its disadvantage if your receiver is not UK tuned. ;)
ikanyubodoh Posted December 22, 2009 Author Posted December 22, 2009 hi guys, just set up my first avr; marantz sr6004 ;D a bit of gahbra initially when fumbling with the hundreds of button, finally got the power amp direct to work with the avr by trial and error. Who read manual anyway? :P two pleasent surprises; 1. it works with samsung tv and himedia 300a! 2. The video quality improves a fair bit despite using hdmi cable from the media player! Unfortunately more stuttering at times. Hopefully it will go away after some running in. Overall quite pleased. :)
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