hmvc Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Demoed with giraffe on sa 240. No horse run. Paid for 1 on the spot. Veri gd result .. Haha
Guest durianlover88 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Congrats bro, the SA bery poisonous right? Whole system wake up? Be warned other bros...antidote not available...:)
hmvc Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Told giraffe dat I want to demo 240x when stock arrives. Ho yat must try. Hopefully not no antidote also, hahah. I seldom want to spend big money on audio but this is good. Haha Surprise my mid level system can push up much more. Closer to where I want eventually.
Quest88 Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Congrats bro, the SA bery poisonous right? Whole system wake up? Be warned other bros...antidote not available...:) It's good but can always take other antidote. :) joamonte and myself are survivors.. haha
Idlewise4ever Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Bro giraffe, let me know when 240x arrive, if poison must take most lethal one :p Going buy toto later, need financial assistance :)
meatballz Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 More-da-ray-tor pls 5d delete this entire thread. Pk.:)
jimi1624705950 Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 It's good but can always take other antidote. :) joamonte and myself are survivors.. haha Me too, perhaps having a lower end system also helps LOL!
francis wu Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Bro giraffe, let me know when 240x arrive, if poison must take most lethal one :p Going buy toto later, need financial assistance :) Don't depend on 4D or Toto, just buy 30 lots Kep Corp, when up 40 cents, sell and you can get one 240x within a month..... ;D
Guest durianlover88 Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 It's good but can always take other antidote. :) joamonte and myself are survivors.. haha From what I gathered, the SA trialled by Quest and Joamonte is 12-slot one (more than 3 yr old model) - 6 slot analog, 6 slot digital. The one that used by me and giraffe and other new bros are the newer model. That antidote still not available yet.. :) I also did some research on ORB and Entreq, since they were posted yesterday. If trial and they are good, I will buy. A few initlal questions maybe some bros can help, before the trial: 1) 2 inputs going into ORB, one side for analog, one side for digital. Where does the ground wires of both inputs connect to chassis ground? Are they both connected to same chassis ground? Does this mean mixing analog and digital? 2) The Entreq Troy Tripoint, when the spade grounding cables connect to equipments (say digital CDP and analog pre/amp) - with the 3-points all internally connected and then go to ground with single silver cable to wall ground - is this mixing analog and digital also? Need to make sure they are not mixing first, before the taking time to trial.
Quest88 Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 1) 2 inputs going into ORB, one side for analog, one side for digital. Where does the ground wires of both inputs connect to chassis ground? Are they both connected to same chassis ground? Does this mean mixing analog and digital? Don't know such details. Best to ask the dealer. At most you can always buy two separate Kamakura (single input, 4 output). The cost of the two is still cheaper than one 240X, so don't expect it to be that great. Anyway since free to home trial, why not try to satisfy curiosity? SA is still more heavy and faster in speed if you like this type of sound. I think Giraffe can't live without this added excitement. :) To make Orb sound more like SA sound character with better and 'stronger' dynamics, you can also add the Orb wall socket + face plate (face plate is important for this) which are not expensive.
Idlewise4ever Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Bro durian, don't understand the grounding queries you have. Tot all connection to conditioner or distributor uses the wall source ground? Unless they are using isolated ground with some eletrical components to create something like virtual ground to clean the individual AC outputs from the conditioner (eg enamon AC filter etc ) Cheers
Guest durianlover88 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Grounding is big topic, some electrical folks also find difficult to fathom. There is a big manual on this topic as I spoke to electrician yesterday doing my home electrical works yesterday. Everything we connect to Ground with our hifi is electrical ground, so those tweaks I use: RGC24, Crystal Dreamlink, Siltech Zero Ohm Diamond, etc are isolated cable or component grounding tweaks with aim of having faster grounding. End of the day, they go back to electrical ground. The real ground, for people staying in private properties, is best to dig 30m deep into the earth for real grounding. Hifi connected like that no horse run. So my point in the previous point is in going back to electrical ground, where we combine ground return for analog & digital together - any deterioration or not? At least in the typical context when we preach 2 separate conditioners for analog and digital segregation, the mixing is not 'direct'. Anyway - yesterday manage to complete the dedicated wiring for 3 lines in preparation for the 3 units 240x. Now separate DB (3x20A) -> 12AWG 7N UPOCC copper for each L/N/E -> Furutech GTX-D/Furutech 104-D carbon fibre plate/wall-casing wrapped with anti-emi-rfi paper tape -> SA conditioner (one analog, one digital). Need re-tweaking again after clearing the mess..
AvPip Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Grounding is big topic, some electrical folks also find difficult to fathom. There is a big manual on this topic as I spoke to electrician yesterday doing my home electrical works yesterday. Everything we connect to Ground with our hifi is electrical ground, so those tweaks I use: RGC24, Crystal Dreamlink, Siltech Zero Ohm Diamond, etc are isolated cable or component grounding tweaks with aim of having faster grounding. End of the day, they go back to electrical ground. The real ground, for people staying in private properties, is best to dig 30m deep into the earth for real grounding. Hifi connected like that no horse run. So my point in the previous point is in going back to electrical ground, where we combine ground return for analog & digital together - any deterioration or not? At least in the typical context when we preach 2 separate conditioners for analog and digital segregation, the mixing is not 'direct'. Anyway - yesterday manage to complete the dedicated wiring for 3 lines in preparation for the 3 units 240x. Now separate DB (3x20A) -> 12AWG 7N UPOCC copper for each L/N/E -> Furutech GTX-D/Furutech 104-D carbon fibre plate/wall-casing wrapped with anti-emi-rfi paper tape -> SA conditioner (one analog, one digital). Need re-tweaking again after clearing the mess.. Bro, can recommend the electrician to do dedicated line ? Cheers :)
composition Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 The real ground, for people staying in private properties, is best to dig 30m deep into the earth for real grounding. Hifi connected like that no horse run. Did you say 30m? LOL. 30m is like HDB 10 storeys high. 3m grounding is good enough liao.
Guest durianlover88 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Bro AvPip paiseh, this friend of mine do big institutional projects only. I gonna wait till he more free before he able to come and do. Reluctant to do usual audiophile wiring work, unless bery bro, as a favour. He did not charge me bery expensive because of this bro thing...
jeromelang Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Anyway - yesterday manage to complete the dedicated wiring for 3 lines in preparation for the 3 units 240x. Now separate DB (3x20A) -> 12AWG 7N UPOCC copper for each L/N/E -> Furutech GTX-D/Furutech 104-D carbon fibre plate/wall-casing wrapped with anti-emi-rfi paper tape -> SA conditioner (one analog, one digital). Need re-tweaking again after clearing the mess.. Got tried the directionality on the 12AWG 7N UPOCC copper cable or not?
Doggie Howser Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Rule No 1 - Thou Shalt Not CockBlock Thy Bro when he's about to score! :)
AvPip Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Bro AvPip paiseh, this friend of mine do big institutional projects only. I gonna wait till he more free before he able to come and do. Reluctant to do usual audiophile wiring work, unless bery bro, as a favour. He did not charge me bery expensive because of this bro thing... Ok ok ... understand ;D Any other good bro can recommend electrician who has done audiophile work before ... I need to pull dedicated lines to my sound room ... so I can kena more poison ... lolz ... Cheers again :P
Guest durianlover88 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Got tried the directionality on the 12AWG 7N UPOCC copper cable or not? Neber - cut from big reel. Workers already da boleh tahan because cable so stiff. Already in the walls and casing liao. Only can let the directionality build up over time..
Guest durianlover88 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Did you say 30m? LOL. 30m is like HDB 10 storeys high. 3m grounding is good enough liao. I stay HDB 10th floor. In my rented out condo that is 11th floor. All bros staying condo and HDB bo bian even stay 30m above the ground floor - all electrical ground. If one day I strike Toto (IDW4E, we must egg each other on :) ), and can buy private property to dig 30m for real isolated ground - I can then demo the difference. 30m deep, you don't get impacted by other potential differential such as from lightning ground.
Doggie Howser Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Durian. I think in some countries, you don't actually own everything under your land. Only down a couple of meters. This is the only way the gahmen can dig under your house to make highway tunnels, subway tunnels etc. You might need to check what the depth limit is. That's why in some countries, they say if you strike oil in your backyard, tell nobody!! Otherwise the gahmen come in and drill under you. Get the prospecting rights first.
Idlewise4ever Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Bro durian, walau 30m I dig my own underground bunker :) Need 10mil toto to have a bungalow to dig Sia. The grow durian trees around it to get free supply :)
Idlewise4ever Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Walau if strike oil whole neighborhood knows la, the oil spill will gust out 10 m high and give massive orgasm to your house and neighbors :) I want hidden gold bars left over from the past, then I melt them at home and bring to sell woohoo. Or some in named old apple shares 100lot :D Paiseh Christmas coming I in fantasia Liao haha
Guest durianlover88 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Buy durian plantation in Malaysia cheaper lah. I once look at buying 20 acres durian plantation, but hesitated. Maybe I should have done it, then free durians for XP bros..:D
Doggie Howser Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Idleweiss the expression is from the US where some land parcels are big enough so your neighbour doesn't actually see into yr living room when he's in his :)
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