yp Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 I am puzzled that employers nowadays prefer to hire foreigners than our local citizens? My local friends have expressed that it is too difficult to land a professional/executive jobs and many are stuck in positions that they are overqualified or do not suit their career goals and ability. Yet on Pinoy SG forum, a website of the Filipino community in Singapore, every week thousands of Filipinos come to Singapore and land a permanent PMET job while on social visit passes, sometime within a week time!!! In other expat forums, Indian nationals, Vietnamese, Burmese, Indonesian... recorded how easy it is for them to go to Singapore as tourists and land a job in weeks!! They share tips such as where to find cheap accommodation etc... recently they tend to post in their own languages but it is not difficult to find out what they share by using Google translate. If a Singaporean takes months or even years to find a job, what makes it so easy for a foreigner or many foreigners to land a job in Singapore within days or weeks? Also, is it legal for these so called tourists to look for jobs whilst on "vacation" here?
Doggie Howser Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Also, is it legal for these so called tourists to look for jobs whilst on "vacation" here? I believe it is legal in Singapore. Unlike say the UK, US, Canada or even Australia.
aquarius Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 I am puzzled that employers nowadays prefer to hire foreigners than our local citizens? My local friends have expressed that it is too difficult to land a professional/executive jobs and many are stuck in positions that they are overqualified or do not suit their career goals and ability. Yet on Pinoy SG forum, a website of the Filipino community in Singapore, every week thousands of Filipinos come to Singapore and land a permanent PMET job while on social visit passes, sometime within a week time!!! In other expat forums, Indian nationals, Vietnamese, Burmese, Indonesian... recorded how easy it is for them to go to Singapore as tourists and land a job in weeks!! They share tips such as where to find cheap accommodation etc... recently they tend to post in their own languages but it is not difficult to find out what they share by using Google translate. If a Singaporean takes months or even years to find a job, what makes it so easy for a foreigner or many foreigners to land a job in Singapore within days or weeks? Also, is it legal for these so called tourists to look for jobs whilst on "vacation" here? Dear yp, this is the reality and has been happening for a while. We are now 2nd class citizens in our own country. We will eventually lose a huge chunk of our core competencies as our PME first gets displaced by FTs, real or otherwise while qualified are out of circulation and out of the race. By the time we PMEs rejoin the race, we will be so out of touch in our fields that we are no longer as good as we could be. All the education we have will go to waste. With only 25% of those earning >$12k per month being Singaporeans, most bosses are now foreigners, who often prefer to hire their own kind. And it will not get better anytime soon even with the Fair Consideration Framework which will most likely be another wayang from our fellow Singaporeans in govt.
blue_starfish Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 The maxim with MNC employers in last few years has been "Hire Singaporeans last, retrench Singaporeans first". Especially when the supervisor is non-local, he chooses to retain own kind when downsizing happens.
Guest AndrewC Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 "Mobikon is a start-up company with main headquarters in Singapore. It received funding from the Singapore government start-up agency SPRING and has grown to hire over 30 staff members. … Precisely the kind of sh*t these foreign outfits pulled that got them into trouble in the US and are now having to pay US$34M in settlement… http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/30/news/companies/infosys-immigration-settlement/ But of course in Singpapore's case, the PAP likes to carry FT balls and will close both eyes when it comes to such obvious violations… Notwithstanding the fact that if every employee is an EP visa holder, then I believe there's not even any quota or limit to how many "FTs" they can employ… 100% of the company can be "FTs"… all nicely seed-funded by Singapore tax payers… jolly good.
aquarius Posted November 1, 2013 Posted November 1, 2013 The new measures taken by Singapore to control the influx of foreigners working in Singapore ‘has irked India as the new law does not give India a preferential treatment incorporated in the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CECA) between the two countries, operational since 2005. This stance by the Singapore Government is expected to affect Indians working as middle-level managers, executives and technicians. india-may-take-singapore-to-court-over-wto-violation-ceca In this kind of situation, what for waste time wayang wayang? The new measures taken by Singapore to control the influx of foreigners working in Singapore ‘has irked India as the new law does not give India a preferential treatment incorporated in the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CECA) between the two countries, operational since 2005. This stance by the Singapore Government is expected to affect Indians working as middle-level managers, executives and technicians. india-may-take-singapore-to-court-over-wto-violation-ceca In this kind of situation, what for waste time wayang wayang? [/quote The new measures taken by Singapore to control the influx of foreigners working in Singapore ‘has irked India as the new law does not give India a preferential treatment incorporated in the Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CECA) between the two countries, operational since 2005. This stance by the Singapore Government is expected to affect Indians working as middle-level managers, executives and technicians. india-may-take-singapore-to-court-over-wto-violation-ceca In this kind of situation, what for waste time wayang wayang? So our brilliant govt is now stuck between a rock and a hard place. How could anyone, especially multi-million dollar ministers and civil servants make this kind of very fundamental mistake?
Guest AndrewC Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 http://www.allsingaporestuff.com/article/personalised-employment-pass-foreigners-creates-fiercer-competition-locals "I recently applied for and got my PEP (Personalised Employment Pass) approved. My intent is to stay in Singapore for the long-run and eventually apply for PR. The timeframe to get my PEP was very fast, a little over 15 working days." PEPs competing with Singaporean PMETs? In this connection, I googled and came across a very interesting article, from which I have reproduced some parts below. “It states that “Starting next month (December 2012), foreign professionals applying for a personalised employment pass (PEP) – which among other things, allows them to stay here continuously for six months while being unemployed – will have to meet more stringent criteria that includes a minimum annual fixed salary of S$144,000, up four-fold from the existing S$34,000 a year. The validity of PEPs – which are non-renewable – will also be reduced from five years to three years. $34,000 – “a premium pass for top-tier foreign talent” However, I would like to take issue with creating and letting in this category of foreign workers all these years – How can a yearly salary of just $34,000 be called “a premium pass for top-tier foreign talent”? This monthly salary of just $2,615 is only about what a fresh graduate from the three local universities earn when they graduate. All this while the f@#$%^&* c@#$%^& PAP open their legs wide and let in all sort of trash into the country. And now close to the elections, c@#$%^& zorro lim has the gall to flip-flop when they realise it's the biggest issue. No doubt after the elections they will flip-flop again. This is our chance to VOTE THEM OUT!!
RonJ Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 http://www.allsingaporestuff.com/article/personalised-employment-pass-foreigners-creates-fiercer-competition-locals All this while the f@#$%^&* c@#$%^& PAP open their legs wide and let in all sort of trash into the country. And now close to the elections, c@#$%^& zorro lim has the gall to flip-flop when they realise it's the biggest issue. No doubt after the elections they will flip-flop again. This is our chance to VOTE THEM OUT!! AndrewC, just to clarify. It is 144K per annum for PEP and all the lower salaried PEP holders passes have already cancelled as of DEC 31st 2014. So whoever is remaining on PEP are earning a basic salary of at least 144K per annum. And maximum validity for PEP is only 3years, and is not renewable.
pschia Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 AndrewC, just to clarify. It is 144K per annum for PEP and all the lower salaried PEP holders passes have already cancelled as of DEC 31st 2014. So whoever is remaining on PEP are earning a basic salary of at least 144K per annum. And maximum validity for PEP is only 3years, and is not renewable. In PAP-speak, 'not renewable' just means 'not renewable but can reapply afresh and get a new PEP'. In any case before the 3 years is up, the GE would be over and if PAP is still in power, they will give some silly reason and the policy will flip-flop again. ;)
Guest AndrewC Posted June 8, 2015 Posted June 8, 2015 In PAP-speak, 'not renewable' just means 'not renewable but can reapply afresh and get a new PEP'. In any case before the 3 years is up, the GE would be over and if PAP is still in power, they will give some silly reason and the policy will flip-flop again. ;) Precisely!
louco73 Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Well for what it's worth, when I applied for my PEP you had to be earning a lot more than $34,000 a year. A 3 year pass is relatively pointless, so most people will just stay on EP now I imagine. The whole point of getting the PEP for most people is to feel safely committed to life in Singapore with the freedom to move employers and not suffer the notice period + 2 weeks to leave the country. Can you imagine if you have a wife and kids and being told that you have 6 weeks to get out of Singapore? As for the renewal, I know people who have them and they are not renewed, so perhaps (for once) you should not assume the worst of your government. If they allowed people to renew then you wouldn't have so many PRs! :)
pschia Posted June 11, 2015 Posted June 11, 2015 Didn't they say that it is not renewable? They just want them to re-apply afresh, that's all. Unless you are saying that the Gahmen actually set this rule to force these people who got turned down for renewal to apply for PR? $34,000 is ridiculously low for PEP by today's standards for a 'top-tier foreign talent' in any case. So the change in salary requirement is just a 're-calibration' as our Gahmen is prone to say.
louco73 Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 You can't reapply. Once you have had a PEP, that's it. It's actually rather stupid, because then people have no way to stay, but to go on EP again, or get PR. EP brings you back to the 6 weeks issue and PR annoys Singaporeans. The government should allow PEP to be renewed every 5 years. PR should be reserved for people wanting to get on the path to citizenship. Then you could have one renewal of PR (yes, it's not permanent for the re-entry permit that needs renewing every 5 years) and if you don't apply for citizenship before the 2nd renewal you are out. Most expats just want some certainty about being able to work here and don't need to buy an HDB. Naturally, if you give someone no choice, but to take PR they will leverage the benefits of that program. Thus, we are back to blaming the government :D
Guest AndrewC Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 Bottom line, the PAP have completely fcuked up and are now trying to back-pedal. If given a mandate, they will no doubt revert to their prior open-flood-gates policy - the 6.9M population paper is proof they have no intention to slow down importing foreigners (quality be damned), merely a speed-bump with the coming General Elections. It's time to vote them out.
Instek_88 Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 You can't reapply. Once you have had a PEP, that's it. It's actually rather stupid, because then people have no way to stay, but to go on EP again, or get PR. EP brings you back to the 6 weeks issue and PR annoys Singaporeans. The government should allow PEP to be renewed every 5 years. PR should be reserved for people wanting to get on the path to citizenship. Then you could have one renewal of PR (yes, it's not permanent for the re-entry permit that needs renewing every 5 years) and if you don't apply for citizenship before the 2nd renewal you are out. Most expats just want some certainty about being able to work here and don't need to buy an HDB. Naturally, if you give someone no choice, but to take PR they will leverage the benefits of that program. Thus, we are back to blaming the government :D If you cant hire the same FT, then hire a new FT? There are tons of FT out there, will it be difficult to find a new one? If it's easy to do so, how this policy address the issue raised by YP?
tsammyc Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 I believe it is legal in Singapore. Unlike say the UK, US, Canada or even Australia. http://canberra.usembassy.gov/e3visa/apply_search.html
jeromelang Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Projection payslip from a 53-year-old jobless PMET last week about to enter the security sector It states the amount he will receive if he works 72 hours a week for 6 days straight without any interruption. Its a daily 12-hour work day either from 8am to 8pm or vice versa. Its almost slavery and MOM allows it according to the labour law. What is disturbing is that this PMET once worked as a regional director earning $12,000 a month at his peak. He dines at the finest restaurant and has close to 200 workers at his command then. The fall has been swift and brutal with him ekking out a tough living now after the 2008/9 financial crisis - earning $80 a day patrolling his work station. He has two children studying in local university and one taking his A level. He says he has no choice as he is literally scrapping the barrel especially after losses in the folded-up tour business. If you are doing well now spare a thought for those who aren't as you may end up like them one day.... ;D
jeromelang Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 This is for an Yishun Executive Condominium project. Whenever we bring in foreigners to this country, they will bring in more of their own countryman in.... This is the reason why we Singaporean find it hard to find jobs even though we have the skills for it. This Myanmar FT is looking out for his own countryman and looking to hire a Residential Technical Officer (RTO) for $4,000 salary. That is good money and shouldn’t such better jobs be given to Singaporeans before being farmed to foreigners? Izit really true that no Singaporean is willing to do the job for such good money? Impossible lah! Sigh… now its all FTs helping FTs and Singaporeans are losing out.
darkeststar Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 http://canberra.usembassy.gov/e3visa/apply_search.html I believe this information is applicable to Australians only.
Doggie Howser Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 I believe this information is applicable to Australians only. Plus there's this condition that you have to return back. And no guarantee the visa is approved. With the "calibre" of a notable number is Singapore, I'd suspect the SG system has a much higher acceptance rate than US
tsammyc Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 Plus there's this condition that you have to return back. And no guarantee the visa is approved. With the "calibre" of a notable number is Singapore, I'd suspect the SG system has a much higher acceptance rate than US I used to live in the U.S.. There are many many ways to get into the U.S. and the whole country was built on the back of immigrants, both PMETs and manual labour. Generally, it's far easier to get a lot of family members into the U.S. than Singapore because of their liberal "family reunification" policy. Remember that if you are born in the U.S., you become a citizen automatically. Citizens can even apply for their parents and siblings to come. Not so for Singapore. That's why Donald Trump is leading the Republican polls over getting rid of immigration, family reunification, and right to citizenship through birth. I would generally say that getting PR or Citizenship in Singapore, you need to be more qualified than the U.S. overall.
tsammyc Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 I believe this information is applicable to Australians only. Would that be because Australians are special preferred foreign work pass holders by virtue of their citizenship?
darkeststar Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 I used to live in the U.S.. There are many many ways to get into the U.S. and the whole country was built on the back of immigrants, both PMETs and manual labour. Generally, it's far easier to get a lot of family members into the U.S. than Singapore because of their liberal "family reunification" policy. Remember that if you are born in the U.S., you become a citizen automatically. Citizens can even apply for their parents and siblings to come. Not so for Singapore. That's why Donald Trump is leading the Republican polls over getting rid of immigration, family reunification, and right to citizenship through birth. I would generally say that getting PR or Citizenship in Singapore, you need to be more qualified than the U.S. overall. I think given the number of PRCs and Indians who are given SG citizenship n PR in Singapore, who don't qualify as PMET, one can safely say SG immigration rules are more lax than the US Sent from my HM NOTE 1LTEW using Tapatalk
Chowbotak Posted August 19, 2015 Posted August 19, 2015 Oh yah, PRC prostitute can also get PR, WTF really!
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