jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Hello. Your survey seriously obsolete liao. You need min 3 lines lah. Cd, pre, power. 4 lines if using mono block. The power amp will drain power supply to the pre and degrade its sound performance significantly. If each dedicated line is terminated with a duplex plug, only 1 plug should be used at all times. Any powercord/component plugged into the 2nd receptacle will degrade/colored sound performance.
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Actually you will need 5 lines because digital player is separate transport and dac. Please upgrade to clear your bottleneck.
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 How abt separate line for tt motor? Yes, definitely. Not only that, but phonostage needs separate ac line from the pre-amp as well. But giraffe didn't list TT as part of his primary system. He said too often liao, play TT can throw away the emm lab.
Quest88 Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 How come the options so skewed.. there are no options for those who do not prefer minimum 2 lines even when we have. :P
Guest Marine Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Hello. Your survey seriously obsolete liao. You need min 3 lines lah. Cd, pre, power. 4 lines if using mono block. The power amp will drain power supply to the pre and degrade its sound performance significantly. If each dedicated line is terminated with a duplex plug, only 1 plug should be used at all times. Any powercord/component plugged into the 2nd receptacle will degrade/colored sound performance. What do you gain with seperate lines? I have 1 dedicated 32A line for my stereo setup and the total power drain for my transport, dac, pre, monoblocks, phono, TT is less than half of the 32A. There shud be no isolation either as it still share common ground
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 What do you gain with seperate lines? I have 1 dedicated 32A line for my stereo setup and the total power drain for my transport, dac, pre, monoblocks, phono, TT is less than half of the 32A. There shud be no isolation either as it still share common ground Go find someone with separate lines and listen for yourself. I surmised from this thread that someone will be doing some demo like that soon, so it is good opportunity for you to go and poison yourself.
Guest Marine Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 I can do this AB myself with some effort. Just want to understand the reasoning behind it.
travelfotografer Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 I always wondered about tapping the power from the household shelter. In HDB flats, the shelter has its own circuit breaker box. I once tried using powerline networking with one outlet in the shelter and the other in another part of the flat, and the powerline transmission rate was super low (versus if both outlets are plugged in the rest of the flat). This suggest that the power line in the shelter is quite isolated from the rest of the flat.
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 I can do this AB myself with some effort. Just want to understand the reasoning behind it. Nothing beats actual listening. Listen and understand. Better than what other tell u.
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 @Jin Tua Liap You can use 50 lines for all i care. I am interested in people with only 1 line. PM make over $1M per annum. He looks at people who makes $1200 per month. Franckly, how many line do you have. What is you sound like. many line still must pass Ang Mo kio? My system, touch curtains also neber mind wan, can give you 2 and half balls. Anytime 1 dedicated line better than no dedicated line 2 dedicated lines even better than 1 dedicated line But 3 dedicated lines needed if you have cdp, pre and power And even better to use 4 dedicated lines when u using mono blocks. So the question we have is why u bottlenecked yourself to 2 dedicated lines only when some more you want to preach the virtues of dedicated lines? Then TT and phonostage leh, what you going to do when you want to play vinyl? You will need minimum 6 lines, bro. You are seriously bottlenecked.
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Jin Tua Liap, You actually need 2 houses to play hifi. 1 house power air con and fridge and all motors. Hi Fi house electricity only for hi fi. How much money in your bank for you to play hifi? JTL. You live in HBD, so no matter what you do, you cannot get very good music. Case closed? Have to be practical mah. Saseme and green peas matter, I not interested. I tell people to have more than 1 line. I know you clever. But don't too clever. Get down to earth. Very simple bro. You want to teach people to clear bottleneck with more dedicated lines You should clear your own bottleneck first. C'mon, you live condo wan, not HDB. such effort is not beyond your means . You shouldn't short changed yourself.
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 I have big problem with people of good England. Din I said minimum 2 lines. Fathers, to me also the more the merrier. The rest can only be FILs. Means I can screw non stop. Bro, keep to the subject on hand. Dun go out of topic leh.
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Thailand's King is well respected. Most of his working life, he is not in his Palace. I am lucky to have 2 lines. I am also unlucky, cannot have more than 2 lines. Why cannot add more lines? U want electrician? Can recommend the uncle go your place.
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Decor problem. When I buy new house, 10 lines at least. Even if HDB. My wires to power points are concealed. Ever tried. Pre amp and power amp share line. Loss of dynamics. Hugely audible. Pre amp and phonostage share line. Slight Loss of dynamics and drop in transparency. The more higher end the components, the more demanding they have on the house power supply, so the more this issue become more audible. So b4 you plonk on the club exclusive components, ask yourself if you have cleared your bottleneck first. I seen people add extra lines like no business, and I wonder why some people who already spend more than 300k on audio and still worry about such mundane things like cable concealing. If HDB flat can add extra lines easily but condo cannot, doesnt it mean that you better upgrade to live in HDB flat instead?
malsound Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 What about HDB with higher amp compare with lower amp one, any diff ??? http://www.hdb.gov.sg/bn25/isos119p.nsf/Search?OpenForm
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 What about HDB with higher amp compare with lower amp one, any diff ??? http://www.hdb.gov.sg/bn25/isos119p.nsf/Search?OpenForm Better check your audio components fuse first is how many amps......
Doggie Howser Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 There's another factor Jerome - If you use one power line for analog and another for digital, you can use two good conditioners. There is thus a possibility that the dual power line can sound better with the use of the conditioner vs 4 or 5 or 6 power points with no conditioners.
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 There's another factor Jerome - If you use one power line for analog and another for digital, you can use two good conditioners. There is thus a possibility that the dual power line can sound better with the use of the conditioner vs 4 or 5 or 6 power points with no conditioners. There is also possibilities that certain power amps or certain components sound better straight to the wall.
Doggie Howser Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 There is also possibilities that certain power amps or certain components sound better straight to the wall. Possible. As is the possibility that certain conditioners can improve all the components performance.
jeromelang Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Possible. As is the possibility that certain conditioners can improve all the components performance. Certainly not those 2 that makes soundstage come forward in front of the speakers.
Doggie Howser Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Certainly not those 2 that makes soundstage come forward in front of the speakers. Which two?
Doggie Howser Posted November 28, 2013 Posted November 28, 2013 Those 2 at his place lor. Interesting. The 240X I got back recently improved the depth and width of the soundstage.
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