mutant1624706088 Posted August 2, 2016 Posted August 2, 2016 Mine set as Top Rear and Front Height as that is the nearest for my setup.
petetherock Posted August 5, 2016 Author Posted August 5, 2016 Just doing a summary of speaker placement discussions that was posted on AVS here: If you have ceiling speakers, and are sited close to 45 degrees, you can use the HEIGHTS mode, instead of the TOPs mode. But DTS may have some bleed into your side surrounds. On the other hand, there actually isn't any issue with using the TOP mode especially if the main surround mode used is Atmos, DSU or even Neural X. But when you change from TOPs to HEIGHTs or vice versa, you will need to re-run Audyssey or other auto-EQs again. Personally I am sticking to the TOP configuration because of where I placed my ceiling speakers. YMMV, and a little experiment will help a lot. If you have a Yamaha which allows different memory settings, you can save one for TOP and one for HEIGHT. If you have a Marantz / Denon then you are out of luck. Just choose one and stick with it, enjoy :) Hope this helps.
deadrick Posted August 8, 2016 Posted August 8, 2016 Was looking ard for atmos speaker and came across those outdoor speakers under yamaha ans polk audio. Seems to be a good option to install on the ceiling as there is a bracket mount for the speakers. Anyone tried it? Can google polk audio atrium. Outdoor speakers supposed to be good for dispersion right?
petetherock Posted August 8, 2016 Author Posted August 8, 2016 A useful link to how to position the ceiling speakers: http://58.64.214.132/wordpress/?p=92868
Hero1624706161 Posted August 31, 2016 Posted August 31, 2016 I face the same problem. My potential solution is to DIY a housing for in-ceiling speakers as I find fixing a speaker with metal brackets unsightly. Currently my plan is to use Ikea 28cm diameter ($10 each) metal bowls and secure it over the ceiling. Need to use a metal grinder to cut a hole in the bowl to fix the in-ceiling speaker. Any 6.5" will fit nicely but watch the depth it should not be more than 100cm. My plan is to do it sometime this year. I have yet to buy my speakers but am using the Amazon 6.5" Micca as my benchmark. ($35 USD with free shipping BUT 3-5 MONTHS to deliver cos no stock) This solution is only for bros who are good with tools and can DIY tho ;D click on the link below for a sample picture......looks like a metal breast! ;) http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/full-range/253217-ikea-blanda-speaker-driver-2.html Just got my DIY Ikea Salad Bowl ceiling speakers set up.....now deciding between Denon 6200 or upcoming 4300 :)
tane0019 Posted August 31, 2016 Posted August 31, 2016 WOW :o :o :o You going to paint the surface over with white paint ?? How about the ceiling spk grille ? Not going to put them on ?? Question: Did you put any damping mat'ls inside the bowl ?
whitesox Posted August 31, 2016 Posted August 31, 2016 Just got my DIY Ikea Salad Bowl ceiling speakers set up.....now deciding between Denon 6200 or upcoming 4300 :) ;D Wah.... thumbs up bro.. looks so elegant and unique (it is only one in Singapore - made by you - very creative). It is also ported.. cute ler I noticed your back ceiling spk flush to ceiling wall ... Wont mind to share your rear and side surr position?
Hero1624706161 Posted August 31, 2016 Posted August 31, 2016 WOW :o :o :o You going to paint the surface over with white paint ?? How about the ceiling spk grille ? Not going to put them on ?? Question: Did you put any damping mat'ls inside the bowl ? Not planning to paint or put on any grills. The salad bowl is stuffed full of white fluffy fibre material (sort of like the bolster fibre material). Used 3 layers of 6mm corkboard as a base to seal up the back of the speaker. Between corkboard and ceiling, I used 10mm aircon insulation material. Have not tested for movies yet as I have not bought my atmos amp but tested with music and it sounded OK to me :P
Hero1624706161 Posted August 31, 2016 Posted August 31, 2016 ;D Wah.... thumbs up bro.. looks so elegant and unique (it is only one in Singapore - made by you - very creative). It is also ported.. cute ler I noticed your back ceiling spk flush to ceiling wall ... Wont mind to share your rear and side surr position? Thanks :) It sure was not easy especially cutting holes in the salad bowl and figuring out everything from scratch including realigning the ceiling lights with the cable trunking. Will be going for 5.2.4 set up so do not have side surround speakers. My back speakers are located in the niche in the 'wall' beside my projector. Seating below projector.
andrewtjy Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 reviving an old thread, and posting as a newbie... took my first steps on atmos yesterday and got a BNIB pioneer sc-lx58 from audiohouse at $850. heard atmos for the first time in the demo room and got quite hooked. I know it usually sounds better in the showroom but the room didnt seem to have any special treatment. Not sure if that is a good buy because this is a 2 year old model, but compared to all the other 2nd hand receivers being sold and the x4200w at 1200 being cleared by alpha audio this seemed to be the best 9.2 option out there. please feel free to advise me otherwise cos I still have a 7 day money return policy. now, need to mount two ceiling speakers, trunk and calibrate. on the basis that this setup is for me to watch movies on my PC and is installed in a rectangular bedroom, few questions: (1) mordaunt short genie satellites ok as ceiling speakers? not fussy about matching with my yamaha ns 555, ns 333 and c444 speakers. (2) installing ceiling speakers - just how bad is it to do so? still staying with parents unfortunately, not moving out so soon, am concerned about how irreversible the ceiling drilling process will be. also since the satellites are heavy, not sure if installing these things directly over your head is safe or not :P (3) can't go the reflection route because as it is the distance between front to back is quite short (the distance between front and back is the shorter length of the rectangle). heck, the soundstage is quite limited already due to the distance between front and back - probably no more than 2.5 metres to begin with (4) since the room is short, do I go 5.1.4, 5.1.2 (and waste the extra two amplification channels which apparently cant be used to bi amp the front surrounds) or 7.1.2? would love to hear the thoughts of all the experienced bros here - am I even wasting my time and money over this? my family does not have watch movies etc in the living room, so my PC is my home entertainment in my bedroom. is it abit too crazy to try build an atmos setup in the bedroom? Also, any response to my questions above and my choice of receiver would be appreciated! Regards
petetherock Posted October 17, 2016 Author Posted October 17, 2016 Bro Your choice of the 2 year old LX 58 only does Atmos? No DTS-X? Personally speaking, if you moving out eventually, just do 5.1, in a small room it can be highly involving too. I don't know if those speakers you want to use will help spread the sound as much as what you want, it's up to you to decide how fierce you want to reno.. IMO, 5.1.4 is the max in your room size, especially with such significant space constraints. You have 2.5m front to back.. that's the distance from my centre speaker to my listening position ;)
andrewtjy Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 yes, for $850 brand new there aren't many 9.2 channel atmos amps out there (any suggestions?). look at the 2nd hand prices here e.g. 1599 for an 7.2 rz900 without box and warranty. will just have to bet that atmos penetrates the market more than DTS:X which it appears to do e.g. more movies do atmos than DTS:X so between the 7.1.2 / 5.1.2 / 5.1.4 options you would go 5.1.4? Any clue on how extensive installing speakers on ceiling are? I'm planning to install mordaunt short genies.
petetherock Posted October 17, 2016 Author Posted October 17, 2016 yes, for $850 brand new there aren't many 9.2 channel atmos amps out there (any suggestions?). look at the 2nd hand prices here e.g. 1599 for an 7.2 rz900 without box and warranty. will just have to bet that atmos penetrates the market more than DTS:X which it appears to do e.g. more movies do atmos than DTS:X so between the 7.1.2 / 5.1.2 / 5.1.4 options you would go 5.1.4? Any clue on how extensive installing speakers on ceiling are? I'm planning to install mordaunt short genies. I don't what are the prices for the LX 58, so if it fits your needs, that's good. As for fixing speakers on the ceiling, bro Cash, Jag, Joagjib and many more have posted pics of their work. If you want neat, clean installations, you will get a new false ceiling or do a lot of cutting into your concrete. You will need to decide how extensive you want to make it.
andrewtjy Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 Bro, my point is the LX58 cost me $860 brand new. Are there any alternatives for 9.2 ch atmos amps selling around that price? will be very interested to know. your mention of cutting into concrete is very scary. I thought it was just a matter of drilling holes in the ceiling and mounting the MS genies in. Any bro here got experience in drilling and then subsequently filling in the holes? Is it very troublesome to do so? Also, the choice between 5.1.4 and 7.1.2 - seems that most websites prefer 5.1.4 - any views here? Thanks!
Guest CASH Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 For $860, u got the best bang for buck value.. Some more, got box, n got warranty. I believe no other Avr can match the price of $860, with box n warranty. Cheers.
andrewtjy Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 For $860, u got the best bang for buck value.. Some more, got box, n got warranty. I believe no other Avr can match the price of $860, with box n warranty. Cheers. thanks bro. problem is no dts:x and pre-out to run 7.1.4 so now stuck with dilemma between 5.1.4 and 7.1.2. But i guess at this price must accept some compromises. starting out in AVR cannot overcommit yet. cheers
cleadett Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 ...... your mention of cutting into concrete is very scary. I thought it was just a matter of drilling holes in the ceiling and mounting the MS genies in. Any bro here got experience in drilling and then subsequently filling in the holes? Is it very troublesome to do so? Bro, You have cute satellite speakers. MS genies is lighter speaker so speaker bracket can be used than mount it directly to your ceiling... no need cut concrete.. just use bigger screws. I wonder what amp will you be using it ? knowing your speakers are MS genies satellite. I think you can hook up directly to speaker terminals (no need go through pre-out and no need ext amp). Just use built in amp from AVR.. more then enough to drive your speakers... save money and save space. ;D
andrewtjy Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 Bro, You have cute satellite speakers. MS genies is lighter speaker so speaker bracket can be used than mount it directly to your ceiling... no need cut concrete.. just use bigger screws. I wonder what amp will you be using it ? knowing your speakers are MS genies satellite. I think you can hook up directly to speaker terminals (no need go through pre-out and no need ext amp). Just use built in amp from AVR.. more then enough to drive your speakers... save money and save space. ;D thanks bro for your thoughts. I bought a SC LX58 - 9.2 channel receiver - want to pre out and expand to 11 channel also not possible. limited to 9 channels. anyway, I am starting out only. will not use separate amp for now. and yes, MS genies are very very cute hahaha. hopefully mount on ceiling wont be too ugly. still staying with parent so afraid even drilling hole after take out will be ugly. also intending to lay trunking directly overhead the MLP to the ceiling speakers and towards the back surround channels :) this is only a bedroom setup to watch show and play music on my PC!!! hahaha worried that I too overkill already!
DJQ Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 bro andrewtjy, at least you got something started. back then when i was still staying with my parents i only got Creative 5.1 :P in my small square room. holes can be covered and sealed with white cement. if you do not have the know how, get someone with tools and experience to drill the holes and mount the speakers for you. welcome to XPL...
andrewtjy Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 bro andrewtjy, at least you got something started. back then when i was still staying with my parents i only got Creative 5.1 :P in my small square room. holes can be covered and sealed with white cement. if you do not have the know how, get someone with tools and experience to drill the holes and mount the speakers for you. welcome to XPL... thanks bro DJQ. I only started on HT in march this year. bought a used onkyo sr578 for 100 and klipsch quintet ii at 100 and hooked everything up to HDMI in my PC. before that using logitech z5500 and asus soundcard. sounded much better with the DTS MA decoding. since then buy and sell until now decide to get a AVR costing almost 1k and installing speaker on ceiling for Atmos. This hobby really can drain alot of money and time one. thanks for the welcome! people here are quite friendly and helpful from what I see :)
cleadett Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 thanks bro for your thoughts. I bought a SC LX58 - 9.2 channel receiver - want to pre out and expand to 11 channel also not possible. limited to 9 channels. anyway, I am starting out only. will not use separate amp for now. and yes, MS genies are very very cute hahaha. hopefully mount on ceiling wont be too ugly. still staying with parent so afraid even drilling hole after take out will be ugly. also intending to lay trunking directly overhead the MLP to the ceiling speakers and towards the back surround channels :) this is only a bedroom setup to watch show and play music on my PC!!! hahaha worried that I too overkill already! Seems your plan is too big bro for 11 channels setup. You might need to consider your room size... It wont be too good place your speakers to be too closed to each other.... My advise is 5.1.2 setup for you Best is also seeking approval from your parent too then ask your dad whether he has drilling m/c. He can also help you to drill. Invite him to watch movie once you have setup... Coffee and biscuit are good friend
andrewtjy Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 Seems your plan is too big bro for 11 channels setup. You might need to consider your room size... It wont be too good place your speakers to be too closed to each other.... My advise is 5.1.2 setup for you Best is also seeking approval from your parent too then ask your dad whether he has drilling m/c. He can also help you to drill. Invite him to watch movie once you have setup... Coffee and biscuit are good friend working with installer to help mount the ceiling speaker and trunking for speaker cable... hopefully not too expensive. parents dont watch movies one.. but i'm already in early 30s so think should be able to get the go ahead to install ceiling speaker. anyway, are you using Atmos? worth it? heard it in the showroom and its damn amazing. of course showroom maybe specially setup to sound nice but the immersiveness of the music is like wowwww.
cleadett Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 working with installer to help mount the ceiling speaker and trunking for speaker cable... hopefully not too expensive. parents dont watch movies one.. but i'm already in early 30s so think should be able to get the go ahead to install ceiling speaker. anyway, are you using Atmos? worth it? heard it in the showroom and its damn amazing. of course showroom maybe specially setup to sound nice but the immersiveness of the music is like wowwww. Nope.. I have been using Onkyo 5010 happily with PLIIz because I still couldn't find good replacement so far. I could also hear "rain drop above me" and heavy thunder... old ONKYO is so powerful and dynamic. ;D
desray Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 anyway, are you using Atmos? worth it? heard it in the showroom and its damn amazing. of course showroom maybe specially setup to sound nice but the immersiveness of the music is like wowwww. You may want to pay a visit to Jag's place. Drop him a PM. He got a great Atmos setup and you can also learn from the master himself on HT setup.
Guest CASH Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 U can visit me too.. I am not a master, but I try my best to sort of achieve it.. Like bro jag, I too have 8 ceiling speakers attached to ceiling n sidewall. I stay in pasir Ris if u r located near the east side.. I am presently overseas. Back tomorrow noon at 2pm.. Off days from Wednesday till Saturday.
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