Mr_Gadget Posted December 27, 2012 Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) Mr_Gadget, the plus and non plus versions use different processors and a lot of third party apps (Transmission, serviio and a few others) aren't compiled for the processor in the DS213+ which is a pain. Not sure if they would run on the non plus version though since I cant test that I wasn't aware of that (non compatible apps). I have a Squeezebox so I definitely want to be able to install the Logitech Media Server. Serviio is something I have just starting playing around with for my WDTV, but probably not a deal breaker for me. Edited December 27, 2012 by Mr_Gadget
Demondes Posted December 29, 2012 Posted December 29, 2012 EEK, I just set up my first NAS and I am using greens with a DS213. We'll see how long they last. Synology list them on the DS213 HDD list, so they shouldn't be fundamentally inappropriate. (hopes) I have found from experience the greens can fail in the synology NAS, but if you take them out and put them in a normal PC they show up reporting no issues. I stopped buying the green disks a couple of years back because of this. I use the greens disks as a backup copy of the NAS contents. I have one of those cheap 30 dollar VANTEC docks.
bwhitesox Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 Hmmmm.... Synology users I have a question. I am getting an issue when the serves goes into a very deep hibernation and cannot be woken and only pulling the power will restart it. Happens semi-randomly, usually at night and also drops the connection to the DDNS server. Any one else get the same issue or should I just log a support ticket with Synology? I have a feeling it could be something to do with my router since its ****. Netgear DGN2000, possibly the worst purchase I have made When it works it is awesome though Mr_Gadget, the plus and non plus versions use different processors and a lot of third party apps (Transmission, serviio and a few others) aren't compiled for the processor in the DS213+ which is a pain. Not sure if they would run on the non plus version though since I cant test that Shoot me a pm if you want to discuss.
Peta Posted January 1, 2013 Posted January 1, 2013 You will definitely want a + version of the Synology if you want the Squeezeserver to run well. More memory and processor are very important.
Toma Audio Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 We have had really good success with QNAP units. Dozens of them out there in the field and zero failures so far, I have a soft spot for Seagate drives too. Consider a 4 bay if you can stretch the budget and set up a raid 5 system. This will give you all the storage you ever need and full redundancy too. We use this setup for both high end 2 channel as well as media streaming. If you haven't already got them, upgrade to gigabit devices and cat 6 wherever you can. Cheers.
A J Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 EEK, I just set up my first NAS and I am using greens with a DS213. We'll see how long they last. Synology list them on the DS213 HDD list, so they shouldn't be fundamentally inappropriate. (hopes) Here's my 2c worth - I went and got a readynas duo v2+ - with hindsight the 256mb of ram is woefully short. I've used green drives - in the first couple of weeks they generated 1000's of LCC errors (at a rate of 1 every 2 secs) however I flashed them with the firmware fix available on the WD site and no further problems 1
Guest Peter the Greek Posted January 13, 2013 Posted January 13, 2013 Anyone running a window 8 server with their virtual drive thingy, whatever its called...?
Tenchi Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Just got a synology 412+ to replace a QNAP 209 pro ii.. Insanely fast, great ui, the audio server is amazing it seems to be able to stream to anything (shows my sonos,squeeze and apple tv's can confirm it does stream to the last 2 haven't tried the sonos). You can even connect USB sound cards! Have it running squeeze server too. I went with WD Red for hdd's.
RockandorRoll Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Just got onto the NAS bandwagon Running a ReadyNas Duo with a single WD Red 3 TB. Will obviously add another one soon enough i didnt realise this has its own upnp server (not Squeezeserver), can stream to the iPod without the PC now.
Benje Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 R-R how do you find the noise on yours? I can hear the high pitch whine of theRa=eadyNas Duo drives at night. Need to turn it off when not in use. Benje
RockandorRoll Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 No high pitch whine so far, actually surprised how quiet it runs considering the size of the rear fan. I have lamps that make more noise. Iam expecting it to increase as the dust on the fan blades increases
Benje Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 hmmm, might need to blow some dust out of mine.......
mrdave Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 HP Proliant ML 40 Microserver. My neighbour, an IT guy recommends this. $240 delivered on ebay. Run an operating system from usb. Can take up to 5 hard drives. 4 bays and then spot for optical drive or another hard drive. My plan is to buy one and put at least 4 3TB drives in there. He uses it as a server mainly for movies. It is quiet enough to sit in a study or another room but in my opinion not quiet enough to sit in on next to my hi fi cabinet. I've got a pair of the previous incarnation, the N36L. One for play and one for movies, TV, music and a general storage bucket for things that I shouldn't lose. I have four 2TB drives and a Thermaltake 6x2.5" bay in the optical drive slot, SAS controller, the whole works and jerks. It can get a bit rattly so it doesn't live in the same room as the Hifi kit. Some slightly more polite drives would probably avoid that. Am about to have a play with NAS4Free on the second unit.
Krispy Audio Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Mr Dave - I'm listening to something on JJJ this morning, and it's in exact timing to the headbangers in your avatar - awesome. 1
twwen2 Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 HP Proliant ML 40 Microserver. This. It will spank any of the consumer-level QNAP/Synology/ReadyNAS devices for transfer throughput and processing power. Plus you can fit 4 storage drives and have complete flexibility with the OS. At $240, it's also a fair bit cheaper than buying one of the previously mentioned devices (especially a 4-drive model).
Krispy Audio Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Is that the only difference between a NAS and microserver, the OS? And would it be easy enough to set up for an average user? I'm about to press the button on a networked storage solution.....
bwhitesox Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 This. It will spank any of the consumer-level QNAP/Synology/ReadyNAS devices for transfer throughput and processing power. Plus you can fit 4 storage drives and have complete flexibility with the OS. At $240, it's also a fair bit cheaper than buying one of the previously mentioned devices (especially a 4-drive model). Yea but it runs Windows which as we all know can be flakey at the best of times.
mrdave Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Yea but it runs Windows which as we all know can be flakey at the best of times. Only if you choose to go that way. Mine runs OpenIndiana. The aforementioned NAS4Free is based on FreeBSD. If it runs on x86/amd64 it will run on the Microserver.
mrdave Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) Is that the only difference between a NAS and microserver, the OS? And would it be easy enough to set up for an average user? I'm about to press the button on a networked storage solution..... More or less. It is all about how hands-on you want/need to be. The Synology/QNAP/et al stuff is all single purpose, buy the model that suits your needs stuff. It probably comes with an embedded Linux variant and a web-based GUI to help make seemingly complex tasks much more approachable to the casual user. The Microserver is a real live "computer" rather than an appliance - it's got a VGA port and USB ports, but it's really intended for server use. So, you can plug in a few drives, install an Operating System onto a USB key (there's an internal USB port so that it doesn't stick out the front of the nice little cube), set up your storage and away you go. This NAS4Free thing I mentioned gets you the pretty interface and the simplicity of the former, with the power of the latter. It's FreeBSD under the covers, which now has Sun/Oracle's ZFS working pretty nicely. NAS4Free comes with a lot of stuff you'd want already baked in - DAAP (iTunes sharing), UPnP (to talk to DLNA complient tellies), NFS/CIFS/AFP for talking to Unix/Windows/Apple machines, and a pretty respectable BitTorrent client (Transmission). I won't have a chance to play with it until tonight, but I think it may be just what you need to make a Microserver into an appliance. Edited January 21, 2013 by mrdave
goooobags Posted January 21, 2013 Author Posted January 21, 2013 Is that the only difference between a NAS and microserver, the OS? And would it be easy enough to set up for an average user? I'm about to press the button on a networked storage solution..... That Hp thingo looks the goods, and very well priced. When I need (want) and upgrade that will be in my sights. I would agree with what mrdave said that the Synology is pretty much single purpose and the OS they have makes it easy to set up but also a bit limiting in what it can do. There is always a tradeoff between ease of use and flexibility. I would call myself relatively computer savvy (younger generation) and setting up my Synology was difficult but when I read the instructions and caught up with the lingo used it was fine
Juicester Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 (edited) More or less.It is all about how hands-on you want/need to be. The Synology/QNAP/et al stuff is all single purpose, buy the model that suits your needs stuff. It probably comes with an embedded Linux variant and a web-based GUI to help make seemingly complex tasks much more approachable to the casual user. The Microserver is a real live "computer" rather than an appliance - it's got a VGA port and USB ports, but it's really intended for server use. So, you can plug in a few drives, install an Operating System onto a USB key (there's an internal USB port so that it doesn't stick out the front of the nice little cube), set up your storage and away you go. This NAS4Free thing I mentioned gets you the pretty interface and the simplicity of the former, with the power of the latter. It's FreeBSD under the covers, which now has Sun/Oracle's ZFS working pretty nicely. NAS4Free comes with a lot of stuff you'd want already baked in - DAAP (iTunes sharing), UPnP (to talk to DLNA complient tellies), NFS/CIFS/AFP for talking to Unix/Windows/Apple machines, and a pretty respectable BitTorrent client (Transmission). I won't have a chance to play with it until tonight, but I think it may be just what you need to make a Microserver into an appliance. awesome. i could probably save even more and just buy some micro atx pc off ebay rather than paying for a HP machine... hmm is this a good price? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281041414662?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 Edited January 21, 2013 by Juicester
mrdave Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 awesome. i could probably save even more and just buy some micro atx pc off ebay rather than paying for a HP machine... hmm is this a good price? http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281041414662?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 You probably could, but you'd almost certainly have less CPU and no PCI-E slots. Mine (N36L, the older slightly slower version) cost $200 inclusive of shipping. $400 is OKish for the N40L with a little extra fruit, it will probably have 2x2GB DIMMs (there are only two slots) and WD Green drives in a NAS is a no-no. Keep shopping.
Sir Triode Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 This looks like a better deal: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/HP-MicroServer-G7-N40L-Dual-Core-1-5Ghz-8GB-DDR3-1x-250GB-HDD-No-OS-/360544438938?pt=AU_Servers&hash=item53f21f8a9a&_uhb=1#ht_6129wt_1111 Just remove the 250gb drive and populate with 2Tb units of your choice.
mrdave Posted January 21, 2013 Posted January 21, 2013 How loud are the fans in those HP's? Not very loud at all. 4 x 7200RPM drives tend to drown them out anyway There's a small diameter high speed job in the PSU and one 120mm or so in the rear. Here's some actual numbers: http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1193-page7.html
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