jdh500 Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) Assuming Spotify go CD quality what is the overall consensus between spotify family plan vs Apple music family plan. It is mostly used by the family when out and about. Is it pretty much a much of a muchness and either are pretty much the same? I’ve used both and the library content both meets my families needs. I also have a full Tidal hifi account shared across an SNA family account that I integrate with ROON server for in home listing on my hifi setup. JDH Edited June 20, 2021 by jdh500
BugPowderDust Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 On 20/06/2021 at 4:03 AM, jdh500 said: Assuming Spotify go CD quality what is the overall consensus between spotify family plan vs Apple music family plan. It is mostly used by the family when out and about. Is it pretty much a much of a muchness and either are pretty much the same? I’ve used both and the library content both meets my families needs. Expand A few things would tip the scale possibly: - do you care about high res audio? - who is your mobile data provider? Some telcos do your streaming data as part of your plan and it doesn’t count to data caps. Eg Telstra and Apple Music. if you’re constantly pulling lossless or high resin mobile it can quickly hit your data limits. 1
betty boop Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 On 20/06/2021 at 4:03 AM, jdh500 said: Assuming Spotify go CD quality what is the overall consensus between spotify family plan vs Apple music family plan. It is mostly used by the family when out and about. Is it pretty much a much of a muchness and either are pretty much the same? I’ve used both and the library content both meets my families needs. I also have a full Tidal hifi account shared across an SNA family account that I integrate with ROON server for in home listing on my hifi setup. JDH Expand tidal for me is gone, couldnt justify it, and range is poor by comparison. an evening with apple music and its cd lossless quality was enough as decider with your marantz rig and if have an appletV possible like us will enjoy the spatial side with all the music videos ? we spent evening flicking through one of their playlists "ground breaking videos" in apple music "pop" category. always enjoyed music videos and like their collection.. this is kind of thing tidal just cant compete with. 2
jdh500 Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 Generally the majority of the most used music content is downloaded onto the device and not streamed so download limits not to important overall. For anything above CD quality, I’d use Tidal assuming I can find the content and is his rez to start with. Was with Apple Music for a couple of years but one of my daughter wanted to switch to Spotify to share a playlist with a friend, we also have a home pod pretty much in every room of our house, that being said I mostly use ROON or direct from the music streaming app which will send music to them regardless. JDH
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted June 20, 2021 Author Volunteer Posted June 20, 2021 On 20/06/2021 at 4:44 AM, BugPowderDust said: A few things would tip the scale possibly: - do you care about high res audio? - who is your mobile data provider? Some telcos do your streaming data as part of your plan and it doesn’t count to data caps. Eg Telstra and Apple Music. if you’re constantly pulling lossless or high resin mobile it can quickly hit your data limits. Expand You should be able to "throttle' the SQ for mobile use so unless you insist on CD quality (or better) in the car or on your phone then data limits should not be an issue. Regarding hi res, for me it's nice but not even close to being a deal breaker. 1
jdh500 Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 On 20/06/2021 at 4:54 AM, betty boop said: tidal for me is gone, couldnt justify it Expand I agree, however splitting the Tidal family plan between 6 SNA family members brings the price down to a little under $6 per month though, not so easy with an Apply or spotify family plan where I pay the full freight !!!! JDH 1
betty boop Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 On 20/06/2021 at 5:01 AM, jdh500 said: I agree, however splitting the Tidal family plan between 6 SNA family members brings the price down to a little under $6 per month though, not so easy with an Apply or spotify family plan where I pay the full freight !!!! JDH Expand not sure could justify both spotify and apple either I dont think. if i were in that situation one of them would have to go i think there is always the free spotify...if just want to check out some playlists or something ....
jdh500 Posted June 20, 2021 Posted June 20, 2021 Your probably right, may over the next month or two see if I can shift the Spotify account back to Apply Music if all other aspects are similar for better overall integration and possibly bundling too. 1
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted June 20, 2021 Author Volunteer Posted June 20, 2021 So one annoying thing I've noticed is that when "autoplay" is on, Apple Music will queue videos and then stop playing because the 'format is not supported" (or something - I didn't pay attention to the error message)
blairy Posted June 21, 2021 Posted June 21, 2021 Been watching this thread with some interest.... Just connected a hub (cheapie from ebay) to the USB port on my 2020 iPad Pro. Then USB A to USB B cable into back of my Oppo HA1 and hey presto music playing from Apple Music. Also play music via Roon which I certainly didn't expect. 1
PauliD Posted June 22, 2021 Posted June 22, 2021 I have tried the lightning to single USB-A adapter with my iPad Air into my CXN USB-B port and all I get is 44.1khz PCM. The CXN is definitely set to USB 2.0. Would the lightning to USB-A with charging lightning port make and difference? Is there a way on iOS to set it, or is it the CXN doing something to limit it? If I use a Mac I can set the high resolutions easily using the 'Audio Midi Setup' so I know the CXN set to USB 2.0 can do it. I know its only $68 bucks but I will have no use for it if doesn't output anything higher than CD quality. I'm so deep into Spotify with my playlists and library that I am dreading having to build it all up again on Apple, but I'm willing if I can get better than CD quality out with an adapter. Hurry up Spotify HiFi! Any help would be greatly appreciated!
figjam Posted June 22, 2021 Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) On 22/06/2021 at 12:42 AM, PauliD said: I have tried the lightning to single USB-A adapter with my iPad Air into my CXN USB-B port and all I get is 44.1khz PCM. The CXN is definitely set to USB 2.0. Would the lightning to USB-A with charging lightning port make and difference? Is there a way on iOS to set it, or is it the CXN doing something to limit it? If I use a Mac I can set the high resolutions easily using the 'Audio Midi Setup' so I know the CXN set to USB 2.0 can do it. I know its only $68 bucks but I will have no use for it if doesn't output anything higher than CD quality. I'm so deep into Spotify with my playlists and library that I am dreading having to build it all up again on Apple, but I'm willing if I can get better than CD quality out with an adapter. Hurry up Spotify HiFi! Any help would be greatly appreciated! Expand Settings -> Music -> Audio Quality I have tested the standard Camera connection kit for both lightning (iPhone 12 Pro) and USB-C (iPad Air 4) to my DX7 Pro and it is receiving 24/192 with both. Edited June 22, 2021 by figjam
PauliD Posted June 22, 2021 Posted June 22, 2021 thanks figjam, my settings in Audio Quality are set to the highest and I am playing songs that 24/192. I'm guessing it's a CXN thing. I'll investigate further. Can I ask what DAC your using? Your confirmation helps. Thanks.
Esoterica Posted June 22, 2021 Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) On 22/06/2021 at 12:42 AM, PauliD said: I have tried the lightning to single USB-A adapter with my iPad Air into my CXN USB-B port and all I get is 44.1khz PCM. The CXN is definitely set to USB 2.0. Expand So you get audio coming out of the amp connected to your CXN with that connection, not airplay? Just wondering because I noticed when trying different connection methods to my CXN recently, that the usb-a ports aren't suitable for apple, as per the manual. But usb-b I didn't think of trying. I only used that method with my macbook air. I just read the rest of your post and have something to add. I had the same conundrum using my iPad pro to play tracks on Tidal. They always show on the cxn as 44.1/16. apple music is the same afaik. The strange thingis, I thought that was to do with it not being a wired connection, although with Tidal, it's built-in as you'd know. It;s very odd though, that you are having the same thing happen with a usb-b connection. Like figjam, I've output up to 192/24 from macbook via usb-b, (wellit says that on the cxn display at least) so it's to do with the ipad, and/or airplay. Edited June 22, 2021 by Esoterica 1
PauliD Posted June 22, 2021 Posted June 22, 2021 Yep, I’m definitely talking about using the USB-B port on the CXN using the Camera Connection Kit lightning adapter, the one with out the additional connection that allows you to charge at the same time. I was wondering if that accessory was higher speced than the cheaper one. The only thing I didn’t do was restart the CXN or the iPad after changing the setting to USB 2.0 on the CXN. I was borrowing the connector from work to try it. I’ll have to borrow again. 1
figjam Posted June 22, 2021 Posted June 22, 2021 On 22/06/2021 at 5:35 AM, PauliD said: thanks figjam, my settings in Audio Quality are set to the highest and I am playing songs that 24/192. I'm guessing it's a CXN thing. I'll investigate further. Can I ask what DAC your using? Your confirmation helps. Thanks. Expand I am using a Topping DX7 Pro DAC/Headphone amp (via USB-B port). 1
Chigurh Posted June 23, 2021 Posted June 23, 2021 Joni Mitchell's album Blue is 24/192 on Apple Music for all the Hi-Rez aficionados. 3
figjam Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 On 23/06/2021 at 1:38 PM, Chigurh said: Joni Mitchell's album Blue is 24/192 on Apple Music for all the Hi-Rez aficionados. Expand Actually, it looks like just about everything by Joni is 24/192 except for Hits (1996).
jymy Posted June 24, 2021 Posted June 24, 2021 I retry my iPad direct to dac via lighting to USB, and am now getting the “correct” sample rate. But always at 32 bit even when the song is 16 or 24 bit. Are you guys seeing the same behavior?
Chigurh Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 I'm contemplating adding a brand new Mac Mini to my main setup. Can anyone confirm that if it's connected to an external DAC via USB that I'd get the full-fat 24/192 experience?
Lil Caesar Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 On 25/06/2021 at 4:20 AM, Chigurh said: I'm contemplating adding a brand new Mac Mini to my main setup. Can anyone confirm that if it's connected to an external DAC via USB that I'd get the full-fat 24/192 experience? Expand Yes, as long as the bit-depth and sample rate are set to at least 24/192 in audio midi. 1
BugPowderDust Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 On 25/06/2021 at 4:20 AM, Chigurh said: I'm contemplating adding a brand new Mac Mini to my main setup. Can anyone confirm that if it's connected to an external DAC via USB that I'd get the full-fat 24/192 experience? Expand Take a look here: https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/bits-and-bytes/apple-musics-lossless-and-hi-res-mess-r1022/ The answer is "yes, but...". 1
davewantsmoore Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 On 25/06/2021 at 4:51 AM, BugPowderDust said: The answer is "yes, but...". Expand I'm not surprised at his test. I would be very surrppised if apples encoder "threw away" bits to encode depth that was completely inaudible. ie. encoding the entire 16 or 24bits of the audio is needed when there is quiet/silence .... but as soon as there is music, then it makes zero sense to encode such quiet values. He could be right, it may well be "digital watermarking" ..... but I suspect it is simply a highly optimised encoder that does not simply throw 16bits at every slice of audio. It will be interewtsing to see..... as if it's what I'm saying, then the audioPhiles will sceam "nooottttt losslesssssss!!" into their pilliows.
proftournesol Posted June 29, 2021 Posted June 29, 2021 Disappointed. I used patched Sur to load MacOS11.4 onto my 2012 Mac mini, it went surprisingly smoothly, everything seems to be working well except... the Firewire driver for my Weiss Minerva DAC. I emailed Daniel Weiss and the current driver should work, presumably it does on an officially supported Mac. There's no point in running Big Sur if I can't connect my DAC
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