Hi-Fi Whipped Posted May 18, 2021 Posted May 18, 2021 17 hours ago, Mpr_65 said: This may answer a few questions regarding Hi Res Audio streaming via Airplay 2 (and 1) If you're an audio quality nerd there's one difference between the two streams, and it's a numbers thing -- AirPlay/AirPlay 2 are stuck at CD quality (16/44) while Chromecast allows up to 24/96 streams. If squeezing the maximum amount of detail out of your hi-fi system is a priority, this may be a deciding factor. https://www.cnet.com/news/google-chromecast-vs-apple-airplay-which-is-better-for-streaming-from-your-phone/#:~:text=If you're an audio quality nerd there's one,a priority%2C this may be a deciding factor. This has to be the anti-climax having to use Airplay/Airplay2 to play it on a hi-fi system. Spotify atleast have Spotify connect which is a localised player in the streamer and doesn't rely on the device itself (iPhone/iPad) streaming the music. This way you can set the music playing, leave the house an it still plays, via Apple Music by the sounds if you leave the house the music stops. But hey thats Apples way of locking down the ecosystem, but it does allow you to whole house audio via Airplay 2 I guess.
bigev Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Hi-Fi Whipped said: This has to be the anti-climax having to use Airplay/Airplay2 to play it on a hi-fi system. I'm not sure if this is still true in Apple's media ecosystem these days but, back when it was called iTunes you could control your library from your mobile device and trigger the playback via whatever was the master such as a laptop or imac with a DAC into an amp, similar to Spotify Connect. If that is possible with whatever Apple call iTunes now then that could be the highest audio quality you would get as you're not using AirPlay.
Hi-Fi Whipped Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, bigev said: I'm not sure if this is still true in Apple's media ecosystem these days but, back when it was called iTunes you could control your library from your mobile device and trigger the playback via whatever was the master such as a laptop or imac with a DAC into an amp, similar to Spotify Connect. If that is possible with whatever Apple call iTunes now then that could be the highest audio quality you would get as you're not using AirPlay. Yeh they did, It was the "remote" app which controlled iTunes on the Mac which did me for years until dedicated streamers become available. Not sure how it works now though.
davewantsmoore Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 12 hours ago, bigev said: Apple do not support integration for 3rd party apps to control streaming. This is incorrect. The Apple APIs let 3rd party apps control the apple music app, and apple devices. ie. I can write a "remote control" type app, which talks to apple music player (or any other content playing on an apple platform). Also.... there is an API to integrate apple music into my music player app, ..... ie. my 3rd party app can search and play content and metadata from the apple music service. This includes both apple music online, and users own local apple music libraries. The "apple way" is often inflexible and with "terms and conditions" (and I don't know much about that) ... so it might not be suitable for all platforms to work with.
Kasman Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 Anyone know what happens if I plug a spare iPad into my dac? Will I be able to control it with my iPhone? I can do this with Spotify via Spotify connect.
davewantsmoore Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 1 hour ago, bigev said: If that is possible with whatever Apple call iTunes now then that could be the highest audio quality you would get as you're not using AirPlay. Why do you have to use Airplay? Can't you connect your device running the "apple music player" to your DAC with a cable? (Sorry if I missed something)
Kasman Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 37 minutes ago, davewantsmoore said: Can't you connect your device running the "apple music player" to your DAC with a cable? (Sorry if I missed something) Yes you can but I think people (including myself ) want to be able to control it from the couch. 1
davewantsmoore Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Kasman said: Yes you can but I think people (including myself ) want to be able to control it from the couch. Ok. Right. You'll need a second device for that, and run the Apple Remote App on your phone. 1
betty boop Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Kasman said: Yes you can but I think people (including myself ) want to be able to control it from the couch. appleTV 4k you control from the couch... or alternatively the blue sound node 2i i have connected to my hifi and dac there... i also control from the couch
bigev Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 2 hours ago, davewantsmoore said: This is incorrect. Apologies I got my information from this thread, note the last post. https://community.volumio.org/t/apple-music-support/9565/23
bigev Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 2 hours ago, davewantsmoore said: Why do you have to use Airplay? Can't you connect your device running the "apple music player" to your DAC with a cable? (Sorry if I missed something) Slight misread, what you mention in this last paragraph is what I was calling out.
Dropbear67 Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 On 18/05/2021 at 9:42 AM, BugPowderDust said: Apple Music is a frustrating app on your phone, less so on a desktop. I just wish they get to the point where you can stream direct to the endpoint rather than via your mobile device. It's sort of like watching TV through your remote control the way it works today. I disagree, but understand that it's user opinion so thats all good. I am trialling Qobuz at the moment after having used Apple Music for years and Qobuz is frustratingly bad for me in comparison to Apple Music The proof in the pudding will be 1. What will the hi-res catalogue look like - will it be as sparse as Qobuz? 2. Will we be able to download DRM free lossless and hi-res like we can do on Qobuz? I'm not sure I'm ready to throw away Qobuz yet, until Apple provides the answer to these questions. Hi-Res is WAY too data consumptive to be an on-the go streaming option, so we will need some method of taking our hi-res catalogue with us ... potentially not locked behind a DRM fortress.
Dropbear67 Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 6 hours ago, Hi-Fi Whipped said: This has to be the anti-climax having to use Airplay/Airplay2 to play it on a hi-fi system. Why would you want to do this? I already pass Apple Music through to my external DAC/AMP on my desktop. And you can do that through any iOS device right now through a lighting to USB dongle.
BugPowderDust Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dropbear67 said: 1. What will the hi-res catalogue look like - will it be as sparse as Qobuz? 2. Will we be able to download DRM free lossless and hi-res like we can do on Qobuz? 1. Apple have been requesting 24/??? sources from labels since at least 2014. I expect they will have a larger library than Qobuz. 2. This has been confirmed as a no. HiRes audio is streaming only on Apple Music. No downloads and no iTunes Match
Dropbear67 Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 1 minute ago, BugPowderDust said: 1. Apple have been requesting 24/??? sources from labels since at least 2014. I expect they will have a larger library than Qobuz. 2. This has been confirmed as a no. HiRes audio is streaming only on Apple Music. No downloads and no iTunes Match I thought they already did iTunes Matching with their "Masters Quality" collection and have done so for a while.. strange... Oh well.. This severely limits its appeal for me, but as I'm paying for it at the moment it's neither here nor there.. most of my streaming is on the go, so anything above CD quality is out of the question.
blybo Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Dropbear67 said: most of my streaming is on the go, so anything above CD quality is out of the question. Why would you want to with it anyway considering all the background noise "on the go". I only have Tidal for the Roon integration, let's hope Roon can survive alongside Apple or Spotify. I'm sure Quboz is probably on shaky ground too these days.
Hi-Fi Whipped Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 43 minutes ago, Dropbear67 said: Why would you want to do this? I already pass Apple Music through to my external DAC/AMP on my desktop. And you can do that through any iOS device right now through a lighting to USB dongle. Both those solutions for me anyway are going back in time, I know you can but with a Nad C658 streamer thats currently running Tidal using BluOS why would I go back to a Mac/pc or iPad solution? 2
davewantsmoore Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 1 hour ago, bigev said: Apologies I got my information from this thread, note the last post. https://community.volumio.org/t/apple-music-support/9565/23 I do not understand why he would say that. Apple has an extensive API / SDK for this. Perhaps the SDK is not a good fit for Volumio (ie. to use the apple infrastructure thy would have to modify/adapt volumio too much, different programming languages, etc.) .... apple are renown for only offering the "apple way". 1
JD1973 Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 On 18/05/2021 at 9:42 AM, BugPowderDust said: Apple Music is a frustrating app on your phone, less so on a desktop. I just wish they get to the point where you can stream direct to the endpoint rather than via your mobile device. It's sort of like watching TV through your remote control the way it works today. It seems Apple has resisted any sort of Spotify/Tidal/Qobuz 'Connect' style integration into anyone else's streamers. This is looking deliberate - the only way to stream Apple is via Apple ... and the industry in increasingly moving to one-box solutions (Naim, Auralic, Linn, Cambridge etc etc) ... ... and Apple has gone really 'best sound' in it's HomePod speaker... ... so give it a year or two and I guess there will be an Apple streamer like AppleTV but for music Apple looked deeply into the horological world (watch-philes) when developing the Apple Watch, and the audiophile world is easy to listen to. I'm sure people will still rise up in great debate when it happens
davewantsmoore Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, JD1973 said: It seems Apple has resisted any sort of Spotify/Tidal/Qobuz 'Connect' style integration into anyone else's streamers. This is looking deliberate - the only way to stream Apple is via Apple I don't understand why people keep saying that. https://developer.apple.com/musickit/ https://developer.apple.com/documentation/applemusicapi 29 minutes ago, JD1973 said: ... so give it a year or two and I guess there will be an Apple streamer like AppleTV but for music I think if you asked Apple, they would say there already is. The AppleTV / iPhone. You can play content on your iPhone (or any other device) and have it play out the AppleTV. You can plat content on the AppleTV and remotely control that playback is from another device. .... or as above. Any other (3rd party) device/app, can integrate Apple Music. Developers may not find the "apple way" palatable. Apple are renowned for closed/inflexibility in what ways are supported to achieve things. .... but to say they don't exist is incorrect. 1
betty boop Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 On 19/05/2021 at 4:13 PM, Hi-Fi Whipped said: Both those solutions for me anyway are going back in time, I know you can but with a Nad C658 streamer thats currently running Tidal using BluOS why would I go back to a Mac/pc or iPad solution? I use an iPad or the iPhone to control the blue sound anyways ... so to use it for apple music doesnt really bother me.... its a means that am used to anyways as have apple CarPlay in the car if ever use my phone or iPad for listening am using apple music as well. ive happily now got rid of tidal and moved on... so looking forward to what this announcement brings... if there is better quality at other end to bar shared and with better connectivity bandwidth etc we have these days... why not take advantage of it ? also its totally incorrect what some folks are saying re apple not allowing apple music on non apple devices ? my car is a bmw and it has apple car play / music... yes it streams off my phone ... but the whole interface etc is all through the car....also my A&K DAP plays apple music natively and its not an apple ... i directly access apple music online and my library radio stations etc via it... if i wanted to i could hook this DAP directly to my hifi system ...
stereo coffee Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 On 18/05/2021 at 8:50 AM, sir sanders zingmore said: This is getting interesting https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/05/apple-music-announces-spatial-audio-and-lossless-audio/ Depressing more like it, as it is heavily proprietary based. The four essential freedoms are, 1. the freedom to use the program as you wish, 2. the freedom to copy and redistribute as you wish. 3.The freedom to modify the code to make the program do what you want to do. 4. the freedom to publish changes to the program With what you find interesting,... you cannot use the program as you wish, you cannot copy and redistribute, you cannot modify the code to make it do what you want it to do, and you can't publish changes to the program. I am unsure what could possibly remain interesting, once those factors are taken into account.
Esoterica Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 Game over. Apple wins the stream wars (for me) with this news. I have an ipad, macbook air and apple tv 4k, so I'm reasonably entrenched in the ecosystem. Not that it matters, as you can get apple music on android, but the article did state you need an apple device for the hires iirc? Does this mean that you'd need to have a wired connection from macbook, iPad, iPhone etc to streamer/dac/integrated amplifier or use devices with airplay? Iirc the apple tv 4k only has hdmi out, so I don't know if that would work (besides airplay). I've used the Tidal app on it but not sure if I listened via my AVR or AirPlay. I've always preferred the Apple Music app, how intuitive it is and the library contains the most obscure stuff, which I search for often, and rarely find on Tidal/Qobuz. I also enjoy the integration of lyrics in AM. I noticed Amazon music are doing that too now. I'll be jumping back onto AM when this new age begins.
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted May 21, 2021 Author Volunteer Posted May 21, 2021 27 minutes ago, stereo coffee said: . I am unsure what could possibly remain interesting, once those factors are taken into account. Quite a lot really
TheBlackDisc Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 As has been alluded to - could Apple TV effectively become the steamer. I have one (which is fantastic as a VOD streamer), and there is an Apple Music app.
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