Audio Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 I have been looking at this for quite sometime. They didn't really demo it at their booth in the HK show but I finally get to listen to this at 2 rooms during RMAF 2013. It sounded great, in fact, better than what I had anticipated. I researched the dealers in Hong Kong, after all, this is a Hong Kong product and made my purchase on Sunday. I spend 2 nights setting up Minimserver which Lumin had recommended. The difficulty is you have to do this at the NAS end. This is one of the time, you are glad you got Synology and QNAP NAS with you because you need compatibility with Embedded Java and the Minimserver package. Power it up last night and instantly, I got my entire library minus the DSD ISOs up online at my iPad. These are the advantages of the Lumin:- (1) Audio media player and DAC, all build as one unit. All you need is a NAS. (2) Volume Control included. (3) No Mac, PC required. (4) No USB cable required. (5) Analog XLR and RCA output. (6) Audio HDMI output is available. (7) Solid milled out cavities case construction. (_8) Totally linear power supply. No PC CPU multiple voltage requirements. (9) No need for battery 5V isolation, no need to worry about battery operation. (10) Just the NAS, the Lumin, headphone amp and the headphone is what you need for a very high resolution music playback system. (11) DSD capable but up 2.8MHz only. (12) PCM to DSD upsampling (Very important feature) Here are the con of the Lumin, (1) No USB output to your favorite DAC. There is however a digital SPDIF provided. (2) No AES digital output. (3) No traditional remote control. Need iPad or iPhone to select songs. This was reviewed last night using :- Synology DS-1812+ NAS with Java 6 and MinimServer 0.72 (x86 version) (This is an Intel Atom NAS) Lumin Player Bryston Headphone Amp BHA-1 Sennheiser HD800 headphones. The sound is neutral and very untube-like. It is very dynamic, very good with percussion instrument. Good representation with the vocals with all the instruments all properly and spaced out with pin point accuracy. Very dark, you can "see spaces" in between where are are no instrument or sound across the wide sound stage. Again, very detailed, I can find things I never heard on familiar recording...like a faint moan, a tiny triangle tingling in the background, some sub synthesizer tone that I never knew existed. As expected, playback on DSD yields very good results. When compared to all the native RBCD 44.1K track, the RBCD tracks sounded a little "brighter" with bite. This is where the "PCM to DSD upsampling" comes in and it transformed these tracks into really nice sounding tracks once you convert it to DSD output. This is a very good feature. Yes, it display chinese very well too. For the next few nights, I would need to extract all the DSF tracks from my SACD ISOs and connect this to the main system...... This is a good one-box solution (well, not exactly one box because you need a NAS) to go into computer music playback. Highly recommended. (Audio)
tiktokape Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 How much for this high end machine in hkd? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free
tane0019 Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 What !!! this is super high end pricing range for a media player leh .......... But the spec & pic does look sexy ;D (fully balance output stage)
Audio Posted October 23, 2013 Author Posted October 23, 2013 What !!! this is super high end pricing range for a media player leh .......... But the spec & pic does look sexy ;D (fully balance output stage) If you look at the price without thinking....yes. My Caps Zuma is already US$1.8K. My ordinary Mytek is about SGD $2K+. My Acoustic Revive USB cable is already $700. This Lumin is way, way better and all contained; all 3 of the above units in one box and OUTPERFORM them....so, it is a cheaper solution. It is also more cost effective than a Aurander.....which is more expensive and need you to buy a DAC to support it.... (Audio)
tane0019 Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 If you look at the price without thinking....yes. My Caps Zuma is already US$1.8K. My ordinary Mytek is about SGD $2K+. My Acoustic Revive USB cable is already $700. This Lumin is way, way better and all contained; all 3 of the above units in one box and OUTPERFORM them....so, it is a cheaper solution. It is also more cost effective than a Aurander.....which is more expensive and need you to buy a DAC to support it.... (Audio) If you put it that way ......................... comparing to Aurander & plus plus, this one box solution is definitely better & sexier ;D ;D ;D
mars73 Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Hi bro, Very nice. I was looking at network streamers myself. One quick question: what file formats were you playing? Did you play any aiff by any chance? Reason why I asked is because it seems from my reading that most DLNA servers don't support aiff. Wav and FLAC seem to be universally accepted by streamers though. My problem is all my CD rips are in aiff. Thanks!
tane0019 Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 http://www.luminmusic.com/specification.html Specification Streaming Protocol: UPnP AV protocol with audio streaming extension Gapless Playback On-device Playlist Supported Audio File Formats: DSD Lossless: DSF (DSD), DIFF (DSD), DoP (DSD) PCM Lossless: FLAC, Apple Lossless (ALAC), WAV, AIFF Compressed (lossy) Audio: MP3, AAC (in M4A container) Supported Audio Sample Rates, Bit Depths, Number of Channels: PCM, 44.1khz-384kHz, 16-32bit, Stereo DSD, 2.8MHz, 1bit, Stereo Supported Control Devices: All models of Apple iPad (iPad 2 or later recommended). iOS 5.0 or later required Input: Ethernet Network 100Base-T Outputs: Analog Audio: XLR balanced, 4Vrms, pin 2 Hot RCA unblanced, 2Vrms Digital Audio: BNC SPDIF: PCM 44.1khz-192kHz, 16-24bit HDMI: PCM 44.1khz-192kHz, 16-24bit DSD 2.8MHz, 1bit Analog Output Stage: Wolfson WM8741 DAC chips, 1 per channel Fully balanced layout with discrete components Output connectors coupled with LUNDAHL LL7401 output transformer Pysical: Lumin (solid aluminum chassis): 350mm (W), 345mm (D), 60mm (H), 8kg Dual-toroidal PSU: 100mm (W), 295mm (D), 55mm (H), 2kg Power Consumption: Operation: 20W Standby: 15W Others: Firmware Upgradable for further features and enhancements
mars73 Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Thanks for the specs. I'm aware that the network player can play aiff. Problem is more on the DLNA server side (in Audio's case, the minimserver). It is the latter that seems to have problem reading aiff properly, not the media player itself. Hence, it seems like even linn and naim users used to have problems getting aiff streaming to work. Was just wondering if Audio ran into similar issues.
Audio Posted October 23, 2013 Author Posted October 23, 2013 Maybe I run one AIFF file tonight to test. Frankly I don't think it is an issue. More internel pictures that prompt me to buy :- No fans..... All linear power supplies inside power supply unit whch is separated and isolated from the player. (Audio)
naimster Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Nice player. The casing looks like a monocoque body like Mac Mini?
Audio Posted October 23, 2013 Author Posted October 23, 2013 Nice player. The casing looks like a monocoque body like Mac Mini? ....yes....milled from a single block of aluminium just like my Ayre KX-R and the MX-R....:) This gives a lot of isolation that achieved the very dark characteristic of the sound.... (Audio)
naimster Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Very nice. Separate box for power supply makes it another plus point. I am beginning to see more and more serious purposeful built computer music systems not using PC/Mac and that's a good sign, at least for me to seriously consider going to CM in the near future.
DJQ Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 If you look at the price without thinking....yes. My Caps Zuma is already US$1.8K. My ordinary Mytek is about SGD $2K+. My Acoustic Revive USB cable is already $700. This Lumin is way, way better and all contained; all 3 of the above units in one box and OUTPERFORM them....so, it is a cheaper solution. It is also more cost effective than a Aurander.....which is more expensive and need you to buy a DAC to support it.... (Audio) And you lead us by showing we can save more $$$$ by spending more yourself. Thumbs up. Good product.
Audio Posted October 24, 2013 Author Posted October 24, 2013 One quick question: what file formats were you playing? Did you play any aiff by any chance? Reason why I asked is because it seems from my reading that most DLNA servers don't support aiff. Wav and FLAC seem to be universally accepted by streamers though. My problem is all my CD rips are in aiff. Thanks! Most of my RBCD files are Apple Lossless. I did a playback with a 192K AIFF....no issue. (Audio)
wstam Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Hi Audio, Thanks for sharing. Since your are from HK, have you checked out the linear power supply specially designed for Lumin by someone in HK? He has also posted in the Lumin thread in CA forum. Saw some good feedbacks on it. Cheers.
Audio Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 wstam, I will check it out once my Lumin has settle in. Yes, I have been doing a lot of reading in the Lumin thread at Computer Audiophile and I did come across his DIY power supplies. Quite nice really. (Audio)
Audio Posted October 25, 2013 Author Posted October 25, 2013 OK, I connected the Lumin into my main system....WOW!! wonderful sound. Clean, dark, detailed...some would term it as a "bright sound" but to me, it is not. I can play noisy tracks like "Money for Nothing" real noisy without the urge or the need to turn it down....it sounded so good even on pop tracks, I keep enjoying the music and forget that I wanted to evaluate the sound. Playing Chinese Audiophile recording, no need to say, very transparent, clean, expanded sound stage and "dark spaces" everywhere, it is very highly focused soundstage. OK, next I compare it to my best playback, EMM Labs CDSA as transport and Meitner Audio MA-1 as DAC. The Meitner sounded less focused but there is a very pleasant midrange emphasis. The sound is not as pinpoint accurate as the Lumin but it got a "lush" quality to it. I don't know but I can live with either sound ....but I really love the clarity of the Lumin. I also read in CA that the Lumin can work with Jriver on DoPe (ethernet form of USB DoP), try it last night and it WORKS!!! WOW, I now plays SACD ISO on the Lumin!!! I don't know but I think I never heard SACD DSD sounded so good on my system before!! I can control the Lumin using the Lumin App or the Jriver App....it is so flexible. Pixel Magic is really doing a great job! (Audio)
mars73 Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 Hi Audio I wonder if you have compared the dac sections of the Lumin vs Meitner. For example, comparing the sound from analogue outputs of Lumin vs analogue output of Meitner fed by the Lumin? Thanks.
Guest AndrewC Posted October 25, 2013 Posted October 25, 2013 … I also read in CA that the Lumin can work with Jriver on DoPe (ethernet form of USB DoP), try it last night and it WORKS!!! WOW, I now plays SACD ISO on the Lumin!!! I don't know but I think I never heard SACD DSD sounded so good on my system before!! ... Spot on Audio! DoPE is the ticket :)… (USB was always going to be a crutch of a solution ;D). The streaming board OEM suppliers are all beginning to support DoPE, it'll take a while to trickle to other streaming/DSD capable platforms & software.
jimi1624705950 Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 Nice thread, Audio. Congrats on a very nice player! So going to sell me your zuma cheap cheap then?! ;)
Audio Posted November 2, 2013 Author Posted November 2, 2013 Thanks Jimi. Sell Zuma? No, it is now running Jriver streaming SACD ISO DSD to the Lumin. Fantastic sound. I have not touch my Meitner MA-1 for a long time now... :) (Audio)
mars73 Posted November 2, 2013 Posted November 2, 2013 Thanks Jimi. Sell Zuma? No, it is now running Jriver streaming SACD ISO DSD to the Lumin. Fantastic sound. I have not touch my Meitner MA-1 for a long time now... :) (Audio) Hi Audio, Why do you use the CAPS to stream instead of a NAS? Does it sound better that way? You mentioned running minimserver. So that's on the CAPS instead of a NAS?
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