davewantsmoore Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 On 19/10/2021 at 12:27 PM, HT Nutt said: Hi Guys, Just on a off chance, would any of you know of and 4K Blu-Ray player that would support dd+ files, thanks Robert No.... not reliably. They are all garbage. I would just keep your current player for discs... and investigate a new media player for your files.... and either: 1. Get a player which can convert DD+ into AC3 surround .... and continue connecting your player(s) to your EAD processor using SPDIF. 2. Upgrade your receiver to one with HDMI .... and connect your player(s) using HDMI. Option 2 is a lot more expensive (obviously), although it will allow you to enjoy lossless surround formats like Dolby Digital TrueHD and DTS Master Audio.... that you are missing out on now.
davewantsmoore Posted October 20, 2021 Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, davewantsmoore said: I would just keep your current player for discs... and investigate a new media player for your files.... and either: 1. Get a player which can convert DD+ into AC3 surround .... and continue connecting your player(s) to your EAD processor using SPDIF. 2. Upgrade your receiver to one with HDMI .... and connect your player(s) using HDMI. Option 1, could be handled by some sort of cheap AndroidTV box (eg. < 100 bucks) running Plex or Kodi .... connected via SPDIF to your existing processor. Set the audio output to (something like) "SPDIF" (and/or) "stereo" .... and enable (something like) "AC3 / DTS compatible receiver".
HT Nutt Posted October 20, 2021 Author Posted October 20, 2021 Thanks Dave, Just in the process investigating a few different AV pre/pro. Thinking perhaps of a Marantz or Anthem should do the job. I believe Anthem AVM 60 or 70 would be more pricey than say a Marantz AV 7702 MK II, as I found a Marantz on e bay Melbourne, refurbished for quite a good price., thoughts???
HT Nutt Posted October 20, 2021 Author Posted October 20, 2021 Oh forgot to mention he also has a few different models of AV:s as well as Receivers . I would think they are all discontinued models that are probably demos used in displays or shows
Guest Posted October 23, 2021 Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) On 21/10/2021 at 8:19 AM, HT Nutt said: Thanks Dave, Just in the process investigating a few different AV pre/pro. Thinking perhaps of a Marantz or Anthem should do the job. I believe Anthem AVM 60 or 70 would be more pricey than say a Marantz AV 7702 MK II, as I found a Marantz on e bay Melbourne, refurbished for quite a good price., thoughts??? A used AVM 60, in the Classifieds, will be more pricey than the Marantz AV7702 MK II (which passes through 4K video). Plus the Marantz comes with 12 months warranty and is really an excellent pre-pro. I read that the AVM 70 is better than AVM 60 (which I have used), but you pay a big price premium. On 21/10/2021 at 8:26 AM, HT Nutt said: Oh forgot to mention he also has a few different models of AV:s as well as Receivers . I would think they are all discontinued models that are probably demos used in displays or shows Do I sense a reluctance to go for older models? If you want the latest and do not mind spending, there is the Anthem AVM 70, Marantz AV 7706, Marantz AV8805A, NAD M17V3, JBL SDR-35... If there are budget limits, then it is often cheaper get an AVR with pre-outs such as the NAD T758V3, Marantz SR5015 and various mid to higher end Denon, Yamaha, Onkyo, Pioneer AVRs etc... Yes, amps will be wasted if you continue with your power amps, but you can save some dollars. If you provide a budget, then we can narrow down your choices. Edited October 23, 2021 by Snoopy8 Typo
HT Nutt Posted October 23, 2021 Author Posted October 23, 2021 Snoop, Yea I think i would go for the one of the Marantz models this guy has for sale Marantz AV 8802a $ 4100.00 Marantz AV 7703 $ 1990.00 Marantz AV 7702 $ 1690.00 So these are the 3 Pre/ pro that I am looking at just a little confused as to what the difference is between them. I would love to purchase a better unit but I think that anyone of these units would be all that I need, Robert
cwt Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 4 hours ago, HT Nutt said: Snoop, Yea I think i would go for the one of the Marantz models this guy has for sale Marantz AV 8802a $ 4100.00 Marantz AV 7703 $ 1990.00 Marantz AV 7702 $ 1690.00 So these are the 3 Pre/ pro that I am looking at just a little confused as to what the difference is between them. I would love to purchase a better unit but I think that anyone of these units would be all that I need, Robert The 8802a has more balanced/unbalanced outputs than the 7703 and is built better . find out if any of them have been upgraded with auro 3d -a very good dsp upmixer . The 8802 has individual adjustable outputs for subwoofers ; cheaper pre pros have parallel lfe out so check if important to you Marantz (qualifi.com.au) Marantz AV7703 11.2-Channel AV Processor Reviewed - HomeTheaterReview Quote I've been using Marantz's flagship AV8802 as my reference processor for a while now, and I was curious to see what performance decisions were made in designing a processor that has more features yet costs just over half that of the AV8802. From what I can discern, the AV7703 differs from the AV8802 in that it does not use the reference-grade balanced circuitry, including the fully discrete current feedback HDAM-SA2 modules, the low-noise toroidal power transformer, and some of the other power supply components found in the AV8802. Also, the AV8802 is built like a tank, with its copper-plated chassis.
Guest Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 6 hours ago, HT Nutt said: Snoop, Yea I think i would go for the one of the Marantz models this guy has for sale Marantz AV 8802a $ 4100.00 Marantz AV 7703 $ 1990.00 Marantz AV 7702 $ 1690.00 So these are the 3 Pre/ pro that I am looking at just a little confused as to what the difference is between them. I would love to purchase a better unit but I think that anyone of these units would be all that I need, Robert @betty boop knows more of the Marantz range than myself and can suggest what he thinks is the best for you. To summarise, OP has a very old EAD pre-pro, without any HDMI inputs. There are S/PDIF inputs which can take AC3 Dolby Digital multi channel. Primary requirement is to play downloaded movies encoded in Dolby Digital Plus, but there is no easy way to convert DD+ to DD (long discussion in thread). Hence, the need to replace the EAD with a Marantz or Anthem ( a used AVM 60 is an option) pre-pro. OP is new to HDMI and all the new formats, and will need help with all the bells and whistles of a modern pre-pro. I think the refurbished 7702 MK II is very good value, especially when it comes with 12 months warranty. From eBay retailer here: https://www.m.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?isRefine=true&_pgn=1&sid=hificlearance
betty boop Posted October 24, 2021 Posted October 24, 2021 10 hours ago, HT Nutt said: Snoop, Yea I think i would go for the one of the Marantz models this guy has for sale Marantz AV 8802a $ 4100.00 Marantz AV 7703 $ 1990.00 Marantz AV 7702 $ 1690.00 So these are the 3 Pre/ pro that I am looking at just a little confused as to what the difference is between them. I would love to purchase a better unit but I think that anyone of these units would be all that I need, Robert the 8802a is flagship, and id probably get this if you wanted something decent for HT but also pretty decent music and 2ch wise. its actually quite surprising how good these 8 series processors are. the 8 series are a 13.2 channel processor the 7 series are step below, but still perfectly capable ht wise...the 7 series are limited to 11.2 channels ie its your typical 7 channels base and 4 heights... id skip the 7702 unless its a 7702mk2 which what really need for current media and ht needs...formats hdmi etc. a 7702mk2 will handle a dedicated room with prowess and to excellent end result ... otherwise the 7703 then is the one to get if cant afford the 8802a if can afford the av8802a definitely get that... it is s distinct step up and was fully updated by marantz with the A update and will handle everything thrown at it ... 2
HT Nutt Posted October 25, 2021 Author Posted October 25, 2021 Hi again people, Thanks for all your advise. Yeah Betty boop I am thinking about the 7702 Mk II or the 7703 mainly because of price as the 8802a is double the price of either of the two others I have mentioned. i have been using an older processor which only consisted of 5.1 HT but it was also a very good pre, for 2 channel sound. So my intentions now are to connect my cd player straight into my Jeff Roland S2 integrated amp to achieve good 2 channel sound and, use the Bypass inputs with the Marantz AV for HT.if this makes sense. OH just noticed that in the JR manual the Continuum S2 will only accept unbalanced RCA interconnects from the surround processor, hope I have made this clear, Robert 1
betty boop Posted October 25, 2021 Posted October 25, 2021 2 hours ago, HT Nutt said: So my intentions now are to connect my cd player straight into my Jeff Roland S2 integrated amp to achieve good 2 channel sound and, use the Bypass inputs with the Marantz AV for HT.if this makes sense. OH just noticed that in the JR manual the Continuum S2 will only accept unbalanced RCA interconnects from the surround processor, hope I have made this clear, Robert makes sense... will make a good combo with av7702mk2 7703 to have both 2ch and AV covered with av7702mk2 ... id want to know its had all its firmware updates as not sure it is still available ! well something can confirm with sound united locally if updates still there to download as we are going some years back now. ps if i remember av7702mk2 didnt have dolby vision capability it was something lacking even after update (something the av8802a did get on other hand). might want to check this too re the av7702mk2.. so if want to be clear of that potential issue the av7703 might be a better bet !
davewantsmoore Posted October 26, 2021 Posted October 26, 2021 On 25/10/2021 at 12:52 PM, HT Nutt said: So my intentions now are to connect my cd player straight into my Jeff Roland S2 integrated amp to achieve good 2 channel sound and, You should have been doing this since the beginning On 25/10/2021 at 12:52 PM, HT Nutt said: use the Bypass inputs with the Marantz AV for HT.if this makes sense. Yes. On 25/10/2021 at 12:52 PM, HT Nutt said: will only accept unbalanced RCA interconnects from the surround processor, Yes, that's fine.
HT Nutt Posted October 30, 2021 Author Posted October 30, 2021 Dave, Yes I have initially used the SACD , player connected this way and I am thinking of possibly connecting the Panasonic as well.
davewantsmoore Posted October 30, 2021 Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, HT Nutt said: I am thinking of possibly connecting the Panasonic as well. I would connect the Panasonic via HDMI to your processor (or SPDIF if you don't get a new procesor)... and the L/R outpus of your processor to the amplifier (with the 'HT Bypass" setting enabled) Connect any CD players via analogue to the integrated amp (turn the CD players volume up if they have volume controls, and adjust the volume using the amplifiers volume dial) Edited October 30, 2021 by davewantsmoore
HT Nutt Posted October 30, 2021 Author Posted October 30, 2021 Hi Dave, OK I:m going to run this past you just to see if i have this correct Re connections, 1 From Panasonic 4K Dvd player I:m thinking video HDMI out terminal to 2 Marantz AV7702 MK II HDMI in ( slot 3 shows Blu-Ray ) on Crutchfield.com image, perhaps it does not really matter, idk as long it is a in port. then 3 Marantz AV 7702 MK II In the Unbalanced Pre Out section, ( processor ) Connect Rca from Front, left and right 4 Jeff Rolland Integrated Amp to the Bypass inputs on the power amp. Hope I have not been too confusing and , think I may have understood Dave, thanks being patient, Robert
davewantsmoore Posted October 30, 2021 Posted October 30, 2021 3 hours ago, HT Nutt said: correct Yes
HT Nutt Posted October 30, 2021 Author Posted October 30, 2021 Hi Dave , Just been thinking currently I have a HDMI out from Panasonic to my LG TV so the tv will get the video ( picture ) So my question is do I 1 Maintain this connection as well as the new connection that you advised me in my previous post ?? 2 Do I need to connect another cable from TV to processor as well ?? Thanks , Robert
davewantsmoore Posted October 30, 2021 Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, HT Nutt said: Hi Dave , Just been thinking currently I have a HDMI out from Panasonic to my LG TV so the tv will get the video ( picture ) So my question is do I 1 Maintain this connection as well as the new connection that you advised me in my previous post ?? 2 Do I need to connect another cable from TV to processor as well ?? Thanks , Robert Source -> (HDMI) Processor -> (HDMI) TV 1
davewantsmoore Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 18 hours ago, HT Nutt said: Dave, Source ??? Yes, your HDMI source(s).... eg. your panasonic bluray player. Connect each HDMI source to your processor with HDMI ... and connect one HDMI cable from the processor to the TV. Connect the L and R output of the processor to your itegrated amp (on a HT bypass input) Connect sterreo sources (eg. CD players) straight to your integrated amplifier
Guest Posted November 1, 2021 Posted November 1, 2021 (edited) @HT Nutt go back to the diagram that I drew earlier. Replace EAD with integrated, fix volume with HT bypass, and you have your new setup. But if you want an updated diagram, with names of each link, please let me know. Edited November 1, 2021 by Snoopy8 Typo
betty boop Posted November 1, 2021 Posted November 1, 2021 On 30/10/2021 at 7:26 PM, HT Nutt said: OK I:m going to run this past you just to see if i have this correct Re connections, 1 From Panasonic 4K Dvd player I:m thinking video HDMI out terminal to 2 Marantz AV7702 MK II HDMI in ( slot 3 shows Blu-Ray ) on Crutchfield.com image, perhaps it does not really matter, idk as long it is a in port. then 3 Marantz AV 7702 MK II In the Unbalanced Pre Out section, ( processor ) Connect Rca from Front, left and right 4 Jeff Rolland Integrated Amp to the Bypass inputs on the power amp. Hope I have not been too confusing and , think I may have understood Dave, thanks being patient, Robert a question for you..is this the one on ebay ? hifi clearance or what ever the seller is called ? have you actually checked if the item is aussie delivered stock ? all these refurbs .. smells of us off loaded B grade stock they have there ? is it even au voltage ? am pretty sure the marantz from us are multi voltage ? and with something like av7702mk2 ? has it had all its updates ? are the updates still there to download ? if this item is a grey import, i can tell you the local support wont even touch it. you can get this confirmed by asking what the serial number is and confirming with the local importer. few important things to check off. otherwise could be stuck holding something with no local support and no one wanting to buy it either... whcih explains why the units talked off here are still trying to be sold ?
HT Nutt Posted November 1, 2021 Author Posted November 1, 2021 Dave , Thanks for your post. Yes if you could please do a updated diagram , that would help me very much. I think I have the audio side of it worked out as per my previous post where you commented "yes " Saturday 7:26 pm. Thanks. Betty I have checked and the voltage is AU.Because of the age these units, they are now discontinued. These units would be demo, store stock used in demonstration and display purposes. Seller offers a 12 month warranty. I will check on the firmware updates.
davewantsmoore Posted November 1, 2021 Posted November 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, HT Nutt said: I think I have the audio side of it worked out as per my previous post where you commented "yes " Saturday 7:26 pm. Thanks. Everything else is simple..... Connect whatever you have to processor using HDMI cable. Connect processor to TV with HDMI cable. Done.
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