onebaldbloke Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Ahoy, Putting together a small music room and chasing recommendations for not bank breaking resilient mounts. Based in Sydney's inner west. Cheers, Bob. Edited February 28, 2022 by onebaldbloke
andyr Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 Sadly, another SNA member has just shown himself to be a believer in the concept that "information is power - so I won't share it". obb - why not tell us wtf you want to use these resilient mounts for - as doing so ... would help us provide some help to you? For instance, are these "resilient mounts" for: isolating the floor of your new, being-put-together music room from the ground or slab underneath it? isolating your speakers from the floor of the music room? your TT? or some electronic components? Andy
onebaldbloke Posted February 28, 2022 Author Posted February 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, andyr said: Sadly, another SNA member has just shown himself to be a believer in the concept that "information is power - so I won't share it". obb - why not tell us wtf you want to use these resilient mounts for - as doing so ... would help us provide some help to you? For instance, are these "resilient mounts" for: isolating the floor of your new, being-put-together music room from the ground or slab underneath it? isolating your speakers from the floor of the music room? your TT? or some electronic components? Andy Helping to isolate the walls from double layer 16 mm Firecheck. Happy and not sad now?
andyr Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, onebaldbloke said: Happy and not sad now? Yes, happy. So why didn't you give us this vital piece of info before? (Your requirement is not one I thought of. ) 4 hours ago, onebaldbloke said: Helping to isolate the walls from double layer 16 mm Firecheck. And the ceiling too, presumably? Any plasterer will be able to supply this - I think it's called something like "furring channel". This was specified in my current house for the plaster ceiling below my "listening room". It is very effective - I can have the music as loud as I like upstairs ... and nothing penetrates into the downstairs room. Andy
onebaldbloke Posted February 28, 2022 Author Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, andyr said: Yes, happy. So why didn't you give us this vital piece of info before? (Your requirement is not one I thought of. ) And the ceiling too, presumably? Any plasterer will be able to supply this - I think it's called something like "furring channel". This was specified in my current house for the plaster ceiling below my "listening room". It is very effective - I can have the music as loud as I like upstairs ... and nothing penetrates into the downstairs room. Andy I already have a supplier for furring channel, thanks. My question goes specifically to suggestions for suppliers of resilient mounts. 1
Pops110 Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 6 hours ago, andyr said: Sadly, another SNA member has just shown himself to be a believer in the concept that "information is power - so I won't share it". obb - why not tell us wtf you want to use these resilient mounts for - as doing so ... would help us provide some help to you? For instance, are these "resilient mounts" for: isolating the floor of your new, being-put-together music room from the ground or slab underneath it? isolating your speakers from the floor of the music room? your TT? or some electronic components? Andy Is there really any need for a response like that mate? Bob asked a question about resilient mounts , if you have no idea what resilient mounts are you really had nothing relevant to add. Sorry Bob I have no idea where you can get any from local to you. I’ve grabbed all the ones I’ve been using from work. They were real cheap
sdotmouse Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 But that pompous response was beautifully handled by the op. 1
almikel Posted February 28, 2022 Posted February 28, 2022 I've not tried to source them myself, so I haven't shopped around, but this is a source for resilient/whisper clips in Melbourne: https://foamsealant.com.au/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=69 They also sell Greenglue cheers Mike
onebaldbloke Posted February 28, 2022 Author Posted February 28, 2022 Thanks to almikel and Pops110. I have found that the costs of the resilient (wall) mounts varies greatly. I have little experience with them (OK, none!), so I am unable to form any opinions about their relative merits. And sdotmouse........... Cheers lads, Bob.
Pops110 Posted March 3, 2022 Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) Good stuff, if you have any left over maybe you can isolate your speakers and components as well. Link in my thread about what I come up with, works really well. Edited March 3, 2022 by Pops110
onebaldbloke Posted March 3, 2022 Author Posted March 3, 2022 13 hours ago, Pops110 said: Good stuff, if you have any left over maybe you can isolate your speakers and components as well. Link in my thread about what I come up with, works really well. Hey Pops. I have my speakers (Grover Notting) isolated on some bigly stands, so I'm pretty happy with that. Will be putting in a floating floor as soon as the walls are done (all de-coupled from/not touching each other). My room is primarily for recording vocals, direct guitars and bass (no more miking guitar speakers) and mixing (as in, proper multitrack albums etc - not doof doof DJ'ing ). I have a couple of dozen Megasorber 1200 x 600 x 50 mm panels backed with 8 kg MLV, which I'll hang in various positions, and four large limp mass corner bass traps, plus four more Megasorber panels with MLV backing for the corners above the traps. The resilient mounts are due to arrive next Monday. Will get to work on them ASAP. Cheers! Bob. 1
rawl99 Posted March 5, 2022 Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) On 04/03/2022 at 9:38 AM, onebaldbloke said: Hey Pops. I have my speakers (Grover Notting) isolated on some bigly stands, so I'm pretty happy with that. Will be putting in a floating floor as soon as the walls are done (all de-coupled from/not touching each other). My room is primarily for recording vocals, direct guitars and bass (no more miking guitar speakers) and mixing (as in, proper multitrack albums etc - not doof doof DJ'ing ). I have a couple of dozen Megasorber 1200 x 600 x 50 mm panels backed with 8 kg MLV, which I'll hang in various positions, and four large limp mass corner bass traps, plus four more Megasorber panels with MLV backing for the corners above the traps. The resilient mounts are due to arrive next Monday. Will get to work on them ASAP. Cheers! Bob. Hi Bob if you are doing all that I would suggest that you consider putting Green Glue between the layers of gyprock. It acts to reduce the sound transmission through the walls/ceiling at lower frequencies (so it is not obvious if you look at the STC specs of a given system a STC is calculated between 125hz and 4khz) ‘The green glue helps tremendously in the area below 125hz. Green glue also helps significantly wrt the acoustics within the room. I find the double plaster when using green glue acts as a beneficial bass absorber whereas 2 layers of 16mm without green glue has similar acoustics to a concrete bunker. iow it is beneficial for acoustic transmission through the wall plus acoustics within the room. My room is done with rubber acoustic isolators which work really well but are expensive to buy and time consuming to install - but give an awesome result. The whisper clips as mentioned work really well and I use them in rooms I help people to build as they are cheaper and easier to use. Give some thought to the green glue. Really well worthwhile. Pm if you want any info on how to use it etc You only get one chance to use it - ie at the initial build Cheers Rawl Edit: Just as an additional thought as I have run into issues with this before Two layers of 16mm is pretty heavy so make sure the ceiling structure is rated to carry the load and also make sure to do the maths on the whisper clip loading to ensure they are not overloaded with the 32mm ceiling thickness. Edited March 6, 2022 by rawl99 2
LogicprObe Posted March 5, 2022 Posted March 5, 2022 On 03/03/2022 at 11:08 AM, onebaldbloke said: Sorted now. Thank you. Where've you been, Bob? We missed you!
onebaldbloke Posted March 6, 2022 Author Posted March 6, 2022 On 05/03/2022 at 6:26 PM, rawl99 said: Hi Bob if you are doing all that I would suggest that you consider putting Green Glue between the layers of gyprock. It acts to reduce the sound transmission through the walls/ceiling at lower frequencies (so it is not obvious if you look at the STC specs of a given system a STC is calculated between 125hz and 4khz) ‘The green glue helps tremendously in the area below 125hz. Green glue also helps significantly wrt the acoustics within the room. I find the double plaster when using green glue acts as a beneficial bass absorber whereas 2 layers of 16mm without green glue has similar acoustics to a concrete bunker. iow it is beneficial for acoustic transmission through the wall plus acoustics within the room. My room is done with rubber acoustic isolators which work really well but are expensive to buy and time consuming to install - but give an awesome result. The whisper clips as mentioned work really well and I use them in rooms I help people to build as they are cheaper and easier to use. Give some thought to the green glue. Really well worthwhile. Pm if you want any info on how to use it etc You only get one chance to use it - ie at the initial build Cheers Rawl Edit: Just as an additional thought as I have run into issues with this before Two layers of 16mm is pretty heavy so make sure the ceiling structure is rated to carry the load and also make sure to do the maths on the whisper clip loading to ensure they are not overloaded with the 32mm ceiling thickness. Hey Rawl, Yup, Green Glue will be used between wall layers. The ceiling will be single layer only!! Not risking the whole damn structure collapsing on me mid guitar noodling!! The resilient mounts are due to arrive this morning. Will spend the next couple of days gap filling every gap I can find. Off on tour this weekend (Under The Southern Stars. All things going as planned..........), hope to get as much studio work done as possible. Our very helpful tradie comes in next week and we'll do the mounts, furring channels and plasterboards together. I love learning about building this stuff (completely useless, in a sense, but fun). Cheers, Bob. 1
onebaldbloke Posted March 6, 2022 Author Posted March 6, 2022 On 05/03/2022 at 7:13 PM, LogicprObe said: Where've you been, Bob? We missed you! I haven't needed to annoy you lot for a while. Last year, we moved into a new/old 1920 house in a Conservation Street (I'm back in Sydney). Management (my gal) has been up every night going over architect drawings etc, in preparation for the extension out the back. She's a smart cookie, so it will look and be the goods when it's done. PDA approval pending. Meanwhile........... we had a Melwoods Cabana thingy whacked up in the backyard (no PDA necessary), which is the shell for my room, hence these questions. Not chasing a copy of Abbey Road here, just a good, workable, room. Really happy with my Grover Notting monitors. Took a while to get used to, as most monitors have that low mid dip so you are fooled into thinking the bottom end is fab (and port noise! I HATE port noise!!), but now I wouldn't even think of changing, unless it were up to their Mastering Series! $$$$ Will be chasing an amp soon, as I sold my gazillion kilo Perreaux when we moved. Bugger carrying that around! Cheers! Bob. 1
LogicprObe Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 Geeze, Bob.......................I thought Port Noise Complaint was a pretty good book! 1
onebaldbloke Posted March 7, 2022 Author Posted March 7, 2022 24 minutes ago, LogicprObe said: Geeze, Bob.......................I thought Port Noise Complaint was a pretty good book! 1
LogicprObe Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 4 hours ago, onebaldbloke said: I've always been a sealed box fan. Which Grover Nottings have you got?
onebaldbloke Posted March 8, 2022 Author Posted March 8, 2022 20 hours ago, LogicprObe said: I've always been a sealed box fan. Which Grover Nottings have you got? Code 4. 5 years now and still happy! Also the little Horror Tone types for another reference. 1
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