Lii Song Platinum 10 reference drivers

[ICUToo]

they

are

huge

 

Can't wait for more details on their burn-in.

Congratulations to The Builder and MattyW

[xlr8or]

1 hour ago, MattyW said:

My last ever pair of speakers.

 

That's your wife talking there. There is no way that will ever happen. Trust me.

[MattyW]

On 25/04/2023 at 10:41 PM, xlr8or said:

 

That's your wife talking there. There is no way that will ever happen. Trust me.

No….. I can’t physically move them. It took three of us a few hours to get them from the van and up the stairs into my home. My sound system lives upstairs…..

 

When we move I think I’ll need to hire piano movers.

Edited April 28, 2023 by MattyW
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[Andrew Tilsley]

20 hours ago, gypr1961 said:

Are you going to provide set of instructions as to how you got those past your wife:)

While Matt's wife was out cleaning his car, we snuck the speakers inside....

[MattyW]

Actually, my wife has been fully aware of this speaker build.... I've brought up the size of the speakers on multiple occasions, yes old speaker and subwoofer will be sold..... I may not have been 100% forthright regarding cost...... Along the lines of 20-25% of the actual cost maybe.....

 

But once it was in place, she said as long as I'm happy she is. 

[parrasaw]

1 hour ago, MattyW said:

I may not have been 100% forthright regarding cost...... Along the lines of 20-25% of the actual cost maybe.....

 

But once it was in place, she said as long as I'm happy she is. 

You have a gem there @MattyW.

Given how happy you are, even at this early stage, she must be pretty happy too.

Happy listening to all of you.

[tripitaka]

1 hour ago, Andrew Tilsley said:

While Matt's wife was out cleaning his car, we snuck the speakers inside....

She'll never notice em

[tripitaka]

1 hour ago, MattyW said:

Actually, my wife has been fully aware of this speaker build.... I've brought up the size of the speakers on multiple occasions, yes old speaker and subwoofer will be sold..... I may not have been 100% forthright regarding cost...... Along the lines of 20-25% of the actual cost maybe.....

 

But once it was in place, she said as long as I'm happy she is. 

Hang on to her then, Matty, that's a dream wife!

[parrasaw]

26 minutes ago, tripitaka said:

Hang on to her then, Matty, that's a dream wife!

I am lucky enough to have one of them too.

 

We both love listening to music (mostly classical), so after much dilly dallying around on my part, I finally placed an order for speakers which will go with some other "new" gear to form our last audio system.........and I'm partly blaming you @MattyW for this enjoyable thread, and your earlier Lii Song threads!

 

Mine will be something different from yours, but I not been looking in another direction, seeing how well your build has gone, and how good it sounds straight away, one of the Lii Song options was very tempting for me too.

[MattyW]

2 hours ago, parrasaw said:

I am lucky enough to have one of them too.

 

We both love listening to music (mostly classical), so after much dilly dallying around on my part, I finally placed an order for speakers which will go with some other "new" gear to form our last audio system.........and I'm partly blaming you @MattyW for this enjoyable thread, and your earlier Lii Song threads!

 

Mine will be something different from yours, but I not been looking in another direction, seeing how well your build has gone, and how good it sounds straight away, one of the Lii Song options was very tempting for me too.

I’d highly recommend the Platinum-10 drivers….. I do believe Steve Deckert will be releasing some new Platinum-10 based back loaded horns soon which sound very promising. He’s said he’ll offer the design for DIY builders also. He’s pretty blown away by the Platinum-10 drivers also it seems.

[PKay]

2 hours ago, parrasaw said:

I am lucky enough to have one of them too.

 

We both love listening to music (mostly classical), so after much dilly dallying around on my part, I finally placed an order for speakers which will go with some other "new" gear to form our last audio system.........and I'm partly blaming you @MattyW for this enjoyable thread, and your earlier Lii Song threads!

 

Mine will be something different from yours, but I not been looking in another direction, seeing how well your build has gone, and how good it sounds straight away, one of the Lii Song options was very tempting for me too.

Hopefully you will start a thread as well

[MattyW]

47 minutes ago, PKay said:

Hopefully you will start a thread as well

 

Absolutely. I'd be keen on reading up on it.

Edited April 26, 2023 by MattyW

[crtexcnndrm99]

If only we could own one of every type of speaker. Good to see full ranger drivers getting air time, so to speak.

 

Your thread prompted me to explore some interesting threads on subjective experiences of full range drivers versus compression drivers in front loaded horns. 

[MattyW]

2 minutes ago, crtexcnndrm99 said:

If only we could own one of every type of speaker. Good to see full ranger drivers getting air time, so to speak.

 

Your thread prompted me to explore some interesting threads on subjective experiences of full range drivers versus compression drivers in front loaded horns. 

 

I'd love to hear your findings, or maybe if you'd like to link through some nice reading for me. I enjoy researching stuff..... If Googling and reading could ever be called research that is 

Edited April 26, 2023 by MattyW

[crtexcnndrm99]

19 minutes ago, MattyW said:

 

I'd love to hear your findings, or maybe if you'd like to link through some nice reading for me. I enjoy researching stuff..... If Googling and reading could ever be called research that is 

Ah, I too am familiar with the research otherwise known as rabbit hole  

 

Sure thing, I may return to the Googling on the long weekend and will link if I find some worthy of sharing. Seems to be divisive anyway, but we should expect no less. 
 

Which aspects of the sound have evolved from the multiple driver and driver type open baffles? 

[MattyW]

On 26/04/2023 at 9:55 PM, crtexcnndrm99 said:

Ah, I too am familiar with the research otherwise known as rabbit hole  

 

Sure thing, I may return to the Googling on the long weekend and will link if I find some worthy of sharing. Seems to be divisive anyway, but we should expect no less. 
 

Which aspects of the sound have evolved from the multiple driver and driver type open baffles? 

I do still believe that open baffle does some things really extremely well….. On the other hand it falls down when it comes to deep bass but I remain a fan. That said these humongous telecommunications rack sized speakers with the Platinum-10 drivers deliver what OB can do and more……. I must say I’ve become a big speaker convert. They got it right in the old days. Speakers became for smaller primarily due to cost considerations.

 

Definitely exceptions though as Mike Lenehans to speakers use top quality crossover components such a Duelund. I expect those and maybe others like the DeVore Orangutan O/96 may be quite comparable but a I’m sold on high efficiency full range drivers and the Lii Song PT-10 are the best I’ve heard yet. They’re exceptionally musical. I just don’t want to stop listening.

Edited April 28, 2023 by MattyW
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[parrasaw]

9 hours ago, MattyW said:

I do still believe that open baffle does some things really extremely well….. On the other hand it falls down when it comes to deep bass but I remain a fan.

 

I can think of  at least a couple of open baffle speakers that get pretty deep bass - certainly enough for the hearing of someone like me ( 75 next birthday ).

1. The Linkwitz LX521s get down to 20 HZ.

2. Jon De Sensi (OAD Ultrafidelity) has a new open baffle speaker (the Rigpa) which has has the following figures listed:

* 20 Hz to 20kHz.

* 90dB SPL

* 8 Ohm flat impedance.

Jon uses a full range driver and an 18" woofer combined with a patented 2 way crossover "for perfect phase and near flat amplitude response".

I understand Jon will have these speakers and his other products (phono stage, pre-amp, amps) on display at the Australian Hi-Fi Show in Sydney (starting tomorrow), and of course at the StereoNET HiFi and AV Show i Melbourne in October. 

  

Edited April 26, 2023 by parrasaw
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[MattyW]

51 minutes ago, parrasaw said:

 

I can think of  at least a couple of open baffle speakers that get pretty deep bass - certainly enough for the hearing of someone like me ( 75 next birthday ).

1. The Linkwitz LX521s get down to 20 HZ.

2. Jon De Sensi (OAD Ultrafidelity) has a new open baffle speaker (the Rigpa) which has has the following figures listed:

* 20 Hz to 20kHz.

* 90dB SPL

* 8 Ohm flat impedance.

Jon uses a full range driver and an 18" woofer combined with a patented 2 way crossover "for perfect phase and near flat amplitude response".

I understand Jon will have these speakers and his other products (phono stage, pre-amp, amps) on display at the Australian Hi-Fi Show in Sydney (starting tomorrow), and of course at the StereoNET HiFi and AV Show i Melbourne in October. 

  

 

Not exactly the first vendor that comes to mind when I think of OB though..... Pure Audio Project, Lii Audio Liionidas or Spatial Audio Lab are those that dominate my thoughts with respect to open baffles. Likely because I'm drawn to simpler solutions vs complicated. The other thing is I've bias towards high efficiency designs as I find high efficiency seems to go hand in hand with incredible fine detail and transparency.

 

I find this true of speakers using horn loaded design also. 90db is on the low side of things after becoming accustomed to 98+db speakers for a few years now 

 

That said, I can certainly see the appeal of OB's particularly given their small footprint though I'm finding there's simply a different kind of magic in humongous boxes. I daresay just down to my current personal preference..... Given the size and mass I don't believe I'll ever move on from these either

Edited April 26, 2023 by MattyW

[PKay]

1 hour ago, parrasaw said:

 

I can think of  at least a couple of open baffle speakers that get pretty deep bass - certainly enough for the hearing of someone like me ( 75 next birthday ).

1. The Linkwitz LX521s get down to 20 HZ.

2. Jon De Sensi (OAD Ultrafidelity) has a new open baffle speaker (the Rigpa) which has has the following figures listed:

* 20 Hz to 20kHz.

* 90dB SPL

* 8 Ohm flat impedance.

Jon uses a full range driver and an 18" woofer combined with a patented 2 way crossover "for perfect phase and near flat amplitude response".

I understand Jon will have these speakers and his other products (phono stage, pre-amp, amps) on display at the Australian Hi-Fi Show in Sydney (starting tomorrow), and of course at the StereoNET HiFi and AV Show i Melbourne in October. 

  

Thanks for the heads up. I’ll head over to check out the OAD speakers on Saturday. 

Edited April 26, 2023 by PKay

[MattyW]

Ok, so I did a little recording of my system (click here to view). Hopefully bass comes through ok. Just a few random tracks.

 

That said, bass will be somewhat lean until the Mundorf Angelique CAW burns in and my experience is anything with gold in it takes a very long time to burn in. Drivers will likely improve faster than the wire. What I can hear however is very very special.

Edited April 27, 2023 by MattyW

[parrasaw]

56 minutes ago, MattyW said:

Ok, so I did a little recording of my system (click here to view). Hopefully bass comes through ok. Just a few random tracks.

 

That said, bass will be somewhat lean until the Mundorf Angelique CAW burns in and my experience is anything with gold in it takes a very long time to burn in. Drivers will likely improve faster than the wire. What I can hear however is very very special.

Sounding good so far Matt!

 

I think I found the post on the diyAudio forum which you decided to ignore (your earlier post on this thread). Very sensible on your part I think.

Why would that particular contributor want to descend to the same sort of rubbish that is becoming all too common on social media, especially on a forum devoted to enabling people to show their builds? 

The mind boggles.

Andrew posted his building of  the first (or one of the first ) builds for the new Platinum 10s. We have all enjoyed following the build, and now your first listening impressions, so thank you.

 

I mentioned the Linkwitz and the OAD speakers earlier only because they get down to 20 Hz.

I think that all of those other brands which you mentioned are terrific too, and all of them have their admirers but...

..... and I could be wrong........while they can all go below 30Hz, none I think are claiming to go to 20Hz, whereas the Linkwitz and OAD Rigpa can do that.

 

Sorry if I got off the subject of your thread - that was unintended. Please keep on posting your impressions

 

[MattyW]

20 hours ago, parrasaw said:

Sounding good so far Matt!

 

I think I found the post on the diyAudio forum which you decided to ignore (your earlier post on this thread). Very sensible on your part I think.

Why would that particular contributor want to descend to the same sort of rubbish that is becoming all too common on social media, especially on a forum devoted to enabling people to show their builds? 

The mind boggles.

Andrew posted his building of  the first (or one of the first ) builds for the new Platinum 10s. We have all enjoyed following the build, and now your first listening impressions, so thank you.

 

I mentioned the Linkwitz and the OAD speakers earlier only because they get down to 20 Hz.

I think that all of those other brands which you mentioned are terrific too, and all of them have their admirers but...

..... and I could be wrong........while they can all go below 30Hz, none I think are claiming to go to 20Hz, whereas the Linkwitz and OAD Rigpa can do that.

 

Sorry if I got off the subject of your thread - that was unintended. Please keep on posting your impressions

 

 

Haha, you know me. I dont mind going off topic in my own threads. They tend to be long and meandering.

 

Yes, OB tends to on average require a little more power to drive too and sometimes bi-amping and I've kind of gone down a different path. I think really the thing turns me off Linkwitz though is they're a bit, ah, ugly..... To me anyway. Just not attractive to me aesthetically.

 

Sadly I have ended up responding to another troll. I shouldn't have been drawn into it though in the end I have. Really it reminds me why I don't frequent any forums other than SNA. I mean I'll visit whichever has the information I'm looking for but SNA is the only one I'm on with any regularity..... Apart from my own Facebook group "Eurasian Audio Connection (Chi-Fi Corner)" where objective vs subjective debates are banned. I just suspend anyone a week who begins to start a debate and ban them the second time. Can't be bothered dealing with muppets.  

Edited April 28, 2023 by MattyW
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[parrasaw]

Great post!

Hey, it's your thread and you can meander if you want to. Someone should write a song about that? That's right someone did (or something like that)  - probably before your time.

 

To respond or not to respond? If you don't they get a free shot, if you do respond, you can say what you want and ignore any further crap from them if you feel like it.

I'm with you - I posted briefly in response to some blatant rubbish on another forum (about a certain person's fake cables actually). Wrote a few  pertinent facts about the matter, and ignored everything after that.

 

SN is such a good forum, I hardly ever look anywhere else.

As many members have written at different times, there are many people on here with whom it is easy (and a pleasure) to think of them as friends, even before meeting them. Nice that it can still happen.

[MattyW]

And if someone really does get on your goat with any frequency..... Thank goodness for the ignore function. 

Edited April 27, 2023 by MattyW

[tripitaka]

4 hours ago, parrasaw said:

 

SN is such a good forum, I hardly ever look anywhere else.

As many members have written at different times, there are many people on here with whom it is easy (and a pleasure) to think of them as friends, even before meeting them. Nice that it can still happen.

So very true

 

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