Monkeyboi Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) Okay, I think I might have discovered a couple of issues with the DMP-A6 running the latest firmware V1.1.75, or maybe I've just failed the intelligence test. The unit does not support DSD 2ch, DSD multichannel or multichannel PCM via the HDMI port. When playing DSD (.dsf) files it downsamples everything to 2 channel 44.1kHz before outputting it via the HDMI connector irrespective of the source file. When viewing on the screen of the DMP-A6 it seems to recognise the native format / resolution and number of channels but only outputs LPCM at 44.1kHz in 2 channel stereo only. This is confirmed by the receiver's display and decoder. Strangely it shows as DSD64 when playing stereo .dsf files if say any of the analogue outputs are selected but not when HDMI is selected even though Native DSD output is set as the preferred option. Clearly this isn't what eversolo claim in their specifications. The same applies to WAV files. If one plays a multichannel WAV file the DMP-06 recognises it as multichannel file but outputs it as LPCM 2.0 at 44.1kHz. And I know people will ask the question. Outputs over HDMI are set to native formats for both PCM and DSD. Any thoughts or comments welcomed. Edited July 19, 2023 by Monkeyboi
Guest Posted July 19, 2023 Posted July 19, 2023 @Monkeyboi I suspect not many people here are using the HDMI output. On the Eversolo sub forum on the Zidoo forum, DSD is working, with screen shots. http://forum.zidoo.tv/index.php?threads/review-and-need-to-know-eversolo-dmp-a6-streamer.95817/page-3 Maybe you need to post there? One thing you can try is to do a reset of the unit to its default values after the firmware has been updated.
Monkeyboi Posted July 20, 2023 Posted July 20, 2023 Thanks Snoop. I updated the firmware to V1.1.75 at installation when it was straight out of the box as the A6 prompted an update as soon as it was connected to the internet before I added any music files to it. It would appear from the Zidoo forums that to output DSD via the HDMI port the DSD files must be .dst not .dsf. I wish eversolo had made this clear in their latest online user handbook as it takes hours to transfer the data to the internal SSD. Also I looks like I will have to re-rip my entire SACD collection to .dst format. Not really looking forward to that. However it still doesn't explain why the A6 won't output multi-channel LPCM via HDMI either??? Another unexplained thing in the latest online user handbook for the A6. I fully appreciate the product probably isn't fully baked as yet, so I half expected some teething problems but simply stating in the user handbook you must have .dst files would have avoided any confusion. Thank goodness for online forum helpful tips.
Guest Posted July 20, 2023 Posted July 20, 2023 On 20/07/2023 at 3:20 AM, Monkeyboi said: It would appear from the Zidoo forums that to output DSD via the HDMI port the DSD files must be .dst not .dsf. Expand That is not good. Perhaps post on the Zidoo forum to request for DSF file support. I am sure you are not the only person with this problem. If Zidoo does not respond, suggest contacting Nice Monkey, an experienced Zidoo user who has written extensively on the A6. And Zidoo will more likely to listen if Nice Monkey is involved...
muriwai Posted July 20, 2023 Posted July 20, 2023 So to be clear The dsf files will play if using the internal dac,(mine have played ok)just won’t output as a digital file out over hdmi is this correct?
Lil Caesar Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 …won’t play as native multichannel dsd is what I think monkeyboi is indicating. it’s disappointing but hopefully they sort it out. For stereo this thing is stunning. 4
Monkeyboi Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 On 21/07/2023 at 11:45 AM, Lil Caesar said: …won’t play as native multichannel dsd is what I think monkeyboi is indicating. it’s disappointing but hopefully they sort it out. For stereo this thing is stunning. Expand That's correct, well at least with .dsf files on the DMP-A6 running v1.1.75 firmware. No output as DSD via HDMI for either 2 channel or multichannel. I read somewhere the files have to be in .dst format. I'll have to rip a few sample files to prove if this theory is correct. Not really looking forward to re-ripping all my SACDs. To be clear, stereo .dsf files show on the screen of the Eversolo as DSD64 if using the analogue output settings. If using the HDMI output it sends LPCM 44.1kHz to external AV receivers and the Eversolo reports them as PCM 44.1kHz on its own screen.
Guest Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 On 24/07/2023 at 1:00 AM, Monkeyboi said: If using the HDMI output it sends LPCM 44.1kHz to external AV receivers and the Eversolo reports them as PCM 44.1kHz on its own screen. Expand I hope you have posted this bug on the Zidoo forum...
Dr.Funk Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 @Monkeyboi Hi Alan, Can I ask, what is the attraction of playing dsd, dsf files in multichannel? Are the recordings on SACD's in multichannel, like the old Quadraphonic recordings? How do you plan to rip your SACD's, I have been told that they cannot be ripped, what software are you using? Cheers Andy
Guest Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 On 24/07/2023 at 5:34 AM, Dr.Funk said: Can I ask, what is the attraction of playing dsd, dsf files in multichannel? Are the recordings on SACD's in multichannel, like the old Quadraphonic recordings? How do you plan to rip your SACD's, I have been told that they cannot be ripped, what software are you using? Expand Yes, SACDs can be ripped. For a long time, only with a PS3 with specific firmware, but more than 5 years ago, a number of other devices e.g. Oppo 103/105. More info in this website and follow the links. https://gist.github.com/willsthompson/a4ececdee9cbc4e369eb923e136a8243 Many SACDs have multi channel, but most classical SACDs are useless, with rear channels as ambience only. Some SACDs do have the Quad recordings; other Quad recording issued on BluRay. The best ones are in this poll (put in [S] in search box on top right) https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/TabbedPollChart.htm Playback on home theater systems.
JBB Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 I was trying to adjust the dac output of my A6, but they all sound the same to me. Have others heard differences? Do you have to "apply" or something else to get it to work? TIA!
Lil Caesar Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 Hey JBB - assume you're talking about the different filter characteristics? These really only kick in @ 20kHz so your system needs to be very HiFi and the material you're listening to - extremely familiar, in order to pick the difference, in most cases.
Guest Posted July 24, 2023 Posted July 24, 2023 On 24/07/2023 at 7:29 PM, JBB said: I was trying to adjust the dac output of my A6, but they all sound the same to me. Expand Any difference is subtle and is dependent on your setup and hearing preference. Most people will try the filters intially, pick one if there was a difference, and then move on.
Monkeyboi Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 On 24/07/2023 at 5:34 AM, Dr.Funk said: @Monkeyboi Hi Alan, Can I ask, what is the attraction of playing dsd, dsf files in multichannel? Are the recordings on SACD's in multichannel, like the old Quadraphonic recordings? How do you plan to rip your SACD's, I have been told that they cannot be ripped, what software are you using? Cheers Andy Expand Hi Andy, I've been into multi-channel sound since the heady days of the various quadraphonic formats of the 70s. I guess that makes me an "old fart"? But on a more serious note, most multi-channel recordings these days are a lot better in terms of soundstage presentation than those of the 70s which were IMHO somewhat gimmicky and even unrealistic in some recordings. Now I can hear the collective stereo only aficionados saying "Why multi-channel music? You've only got two ears..... " I guess that's a fair question but until you've actually heard some good multi-channel mixes I can completely understand their point of view or should that be point of listening? SACDs and DVD-Audio discs can be ripped if you have the right software and hardware. I use ISO2DSD and a Sony Blu-ray player for SACDs. It's a bit of messing around, requires a network (not internet) connection between the player and the PC. Configuring it to get it to work is a bit finicky but once going it's pretty fast and rips SACDs to stereo, multi-channel .dsf, dff, dst files. You can also create ISO images to burn SACDs to DVD blanks that will play in certain SACD / Blu-ray players which will recognise these discs. A good way to back up one's SACD library and to stream them from compatible servers, media players and streamers. There are also programs to rip MLP stereo and multi-channel DVD-Audio discs to .wav files, once again for playback via compatible servers, media players and streamers.
Monkeyboi Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) On 21/07/2023 at 11:45 AM, Lil Caesar said: …won’t play as native multichannel dsd is what I think monkeyboi is indicating. it’s disappointing but hopefully they sort it out. For stereo this thing is stunning. Expand What are you using to do the D/A conversion? An external DAC, HT receiver or are you using the DMP-A6 internal DAC? I found the SQ of the DAC in the DMP-A6 somewhat lacklustre and feeding digital via SPDIF to my CEC DX-71 Mk2 DAC a much more satisfying listening experience on my system. Edited July 25, 2023 by Monkeyboi dyslexia
Lil Caesar Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 ...I'm using a MiniDSP SHD (AKM 4390 DACs). This allows me to bi-amp into my Kefs and apply a custom target curve via dirac, after room eq. I never acquired a large collection of multichannel SACDs or DVD-A's - still have a few of each but not nearly enough material to bother with ripping the content in anything other than stereo. 1
Monkeyboi Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 Just an update from one of my previous posts. Megan Slattery from Fundamental Audio, the Australian distributor for Zidoo and Eversolo products reached out to me regarding the issues I was having with DSD as well as multi-channel PCM playback from the DMP-A6 via HDMI. Thanks Megan. What follows is an extract from my reply to her PM and indicates my findings thus far. I've chosen to post this here in the event someone else is experiencing similar issues to what I have. These responses relate to firmware v1.1.75 in the DMP-A6. Tried it with a couple of Sony ES receivers (STR-DA5600ES) and one Sony non-ES HT receiver (STR-DN1080) via their HDMI ports. Only the el-cheapo STR-DN1080 indicates or detects DSD stereo and multi-channel DSD as well as multi-channel PCM from the DMP-A6. The other receiver work perfectly with other DSD and PCM sources via HDMI (both 2 channel and multi-channel). I'm thinking a protocol discrepancy or possible hardware incompatibility might be the issue with the older Sony STR-DA5600ES receiver which seems strange as it operates faultlessly with other sources like several DSD capable Blu-ray players and my Sony SCD-XA5400ES SACD/CD player via HDMI. So far I've tried .dsf, dff and .dst DSD files. When playing 2 channel DSD .dfs / .dff / .dst files with the Eversolo output switched to HDMI the DMP-A6 indicates [DSF / DFF or DST] but the output via HDMI as PCM 44.1 kHz on the older STR-DA5600ES when playing 2 channel DSD files and nothing when playing multi-channel files. These work perfectly on the STR-DN1080 but the streams aren't recognised by the STR-DA5600ES receiver. Strange as it appears the STR-DA5600ES is "forcing" the DMP-A6 to output 44.1kHz PCM on 2 channel DSD which it shouldn't be doing as the DMP-A6 is configured to output DSD via HDMI. This is kind of disappointing as the STR-DA5600ES is the only currently hooked up receiver that has pre-amp outputs which are required in my situation to connect up external power amplifiers. Most receivers won't drive 2 ohm speakers hence my Equinox Audio Jupiter speakers are powered by my ME-850 Hi-cap power amplifier. This problem pretty much eliminates the integration of the Eversolo DMP-A6 into my main studio system until a resolution has been discovered to resolve the issue. Just for reference once I got the DMP-A6 working with the Sony STR-DN1080 HT receiver in the living room I left all the settings in the DMP-A6 the same and moved it to the main system in the studio to try it with the Sony STR-DA5600ES. Unfortunately no joy as I have articulated above. I have swapped HDMI cables and also HDMI ports on the STR-DA5600ES and it made no difference. My next move will be to take my old Sony STR-DA5200ES DSD capable receiver out of storage and see what the result is. It will be very interesting if it works with the Eversolo in decoding DSD and other PCM signals via HDMI.
Monkeyboi Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 On 24/07/2023 at 5:34 AM, Dr.Funk said: @Monkeyboi Hi Alan, Can I ask, what is the attraction of playing dsd, dsf files in multichannel? Are the recordings on SACD's in multichannel, like the old Quadraphonic recordings? How do you plan to rip your SACD's, I have been told that they cannot be ripped, what software are you using? Cheers Andy Expand Yes, I have a few. Mostly SACDs and DVD-Audio discs, but also DADs, DualDiscs and dts-CDs. Most of these are multi-channel except the DADs which are stereo only. Here's some of them (just the SACDs and DVD-Audio discs, DADs, DualDiscs and dts-CDs.) I hope people can see why I want to be able to playback the ripped files in the Eversolo DMP-A6 via HDMI. This collection is getting seriously unmanageable unless I remain very disciplined and put the discs back on the shelves in the correct order so I can find them easily the next time I want to play a title. I've ripped my thousands of CDs for this very reason and stored them away in boxes. It was just becoming overwhelming looking for titles. I think by the time I've got around to ripping all the remainder of my collection I would have filled the 4TB SSD in the Eversolo. 2
Guest Posted July 26, 2023 Posted July 26, 2023 (edited) On 25/07/2023 at 3:09 AM, Monkeyboi said: I hope people can see why I want to be able to playback the ripped files in the Eversolo DMP-A6 via HDMI. Expand And I am cheering you on! My collection of SACDs (and BluRay audio) is far smaller. Currently using Minimserver to send DSFs to my Pana UB9000. The upgraded HDMI on the A6 suggests that SQ will be very good, maybe even better than to UB9000? But I suspect we are the only ones in this thread interested in multi channel music using HDMI.... Edited July 26, 2023 by Snoopy8 Typo
powerav Posted July 27, 2023 Posted July 27, 2023 On 26/07/2023 at 5:58 AM, Snoopy8 said: And I am cheering you on! My collection of SACDs (and BluRay audio) is far smaller. Currently using Minimserver to send DSFs to my Pana UB9000. The upgraded HDMI on the A6 suggests that SQ will be very good, maybe even better than to UB9000? But I suspect we are the only ones in this thread interested in multi channel music using HDMI.... Expand One more here and why I’m hesitant to get one.
stuj Posted July 27, 2023 Posted July 27, 2023 I’m not entirely sure I understand the issue here? Ive got ripped both SACD.ISOs and individual DSF files that play perfectly through HDMI as DSD ?
steling Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) Yes I have same with you. multi channel DSD purchased from NativeDSD, it works perfect for me! Edited July 28, 2023 by Fishjie 1
Guest Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 @stuj @Fishjie what AVR or AV processors are you using? And pure DSF or converted to PCM? Maybe this problem is AV gear dependent???
steling Posted July 28, 2023 Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) I’m using yammy A6A, and ht by pass LF to Michi X3 A6A displayed playing DSD64 5.1 channel, and I use pure direct mode for music You can refer to my HDMI output setting On 28/07/2023 at 4:58 AM, Snoopy8 said: @stuj @Fishjie what AVR or AV processors are you using? And pure DSF or converted to PCM? Maybe this problem is AV gear dependent??? Expand Edited July 28, 2023 by Fishjie
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