stuj Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 If you head over to ASR site I believe people are getting 24/192. I’m not an Apple Music User
cafe67 Posted May 31, 2023 Author Posted May 31, 2023 52 minutes ago, Greg Orr said: I got mine today also. Its sounds fantastic, Ive run my hi res library through it, played sacds through it, and hires streaming all sounds detailed well layered. It’s very easy to use also. It's only small let down is the app, is very early and has a few weird anomalies which im sure over time will be fixed. I have been waiting for a product like this which is affordable for years. Im very impressed. It definitely delivers. Hiya, quick question - how do you play SACD ‘s through it ?
Greg Orr Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, cafe67 said: Hiya, quick question - how do you play SACD ‘s through it ? optical out from my sacd player into the a6 works fantastically well.
Niktech Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, Lil Caesar said: I’d like to understand just how this thing does apple hires. Until now, only apple devices physically connected to a dac could do this. Sonos has apple integration but I’m almost certain it’s only 16/44. My guess is that the android 11 os, despite being heavily modded, allows the Apple Music app to be installed, and their EOS software jailbreaks the sampling rate limitation, as is inferred in their marketing. so as long as you have an Apple ID and pay for music, you can log into your account on this thing and off you go. But the concern is, what if apple catches wind of this and decides - sorry, you’re not apple hardware - airplay 16/44 is all you’re allowed to offer, and chooses to either sue eversolo or break its capability to be used on this device via a software update ?!? Apple doesn’t place a limitation on playing hi res Apple Music on Android. Android 11 now natively supports hi res. Earlier iterations of Android OS did not, it was capped at 24 bit 48 KHz. Certain phones, LG V 30 to name but one got around the Android limitations by using their own modded version of Android and an excellent internal DAC. 3
muriwai Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 10 hours ago, Greg Orr said: optical out from my sacd player into the a6 works fantastically well. Optical will not pass full hd bitrate ?
stuj Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 It also plays SACD ISOs perfectly , if you manage to get them ripped
Greg Orr Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 1 hour ago, muriwai said: Optical will not pass full hd bitrate ? yep plays the sacd in hires via optical no issues
muriwai Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Greg Orr said: yep plays the sacd in hires via optical no issues My understanding of the process due to “pirating” copyright protection is that the digital SACD hi res stream will not pass over coax or optical outputs, only the “cd” layer of the SACD Unless you have managed to “hack “ or jail break your sacd player’s output menu? A dsd or dsf file may be different?But playing from the hard copy disc you should only be able to output via the rca “analog “ outs,ie you are forced to use the players DAC I am happy to be corrected,but this is my understanding cheers muri
muriwai Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 @Snoopy8 @stuj @davewantsmore can any of you digital gurus confirm?
Greg Orr Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, muriwai said: My understanding of the process due to “pirating” copyright protection is that the digital SACD hi res stream will not pass over coax or optical outputs, only the “cd” layer of the SACD Unless you have managed to “hack “ or jail break your sacd player’s output menu? A dsd or dsf file may be different?But playing from the hard copy disc you should only be able to output via the rca “analog “ outs,ie you are forced to use the players DAC I am happy to be corrected,but this is my understanding cheers muri I have the arcam cds50 . It has always been able to output hires over optical. I have no hacked it in any way. Its a feature of the player and a welcomed one. It basically converts the dsd within to 24bit 88khz and outputs that over optical.
Lil Caesar Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) Well Greg, that's certainly an exception. Historically, optical out of any SACD player has been a bitstream of the red-book CD layer ONLY - PCM @ 16/44. Edited May 31, 2023 by Lil Caesar
Snoopy8 Posted May 31, 2023 Posted May 31, 2023 @muriwai A SACD is copy protected and the only legal digital output (DSD/DSF) is via HDMI. DSD/DSF must be converted to PCM (including Hi-res) for digital output to coax/optical outputs or as analog to RCA/XLR outputs. Note that there is no copy protection for standalone DSD/DSF files, only for the physical SACD media. Whether Sony chooses to enforce this with the vendor is another matter (but they have been previously aggressive!) 1
Greg Orr Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 29 minutes ago, Lil Caesar said: Well Greg, that's certainly an exception. Historically, optical out of any SACD player has been a bitstream of the red-book CD layer ONLY - PCM @ 16/44. whats even weirder it isnt even mentioned in the manual but it really works, with the a6 sounds fantastic. To me theres a good jump up from its internal dac to the duel dacs on the a6.
davewantsmoore Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, muriwai said: confirm? The player isn't allowed to output the DSD data (over anything except protected digital links like HDMI or firewire) 31 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said: DSD/DSF must be converted to PCM for digital output Yep. That's what's happening. EDIT: Sorry, wrong info removed about internal handling of DSD for this chip (I didn't realise it used an ESS chip) Edited June 1, 2023 by davewantsmoore
davewantsmoore Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 "Realtime" conversion of DSD to (relatively) low sampling rate PCM isn't likely a very good strategy.... it might be better to use the anlogue outputs of the player if possible.
davewantsmoore Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 *sigh* actually, I'm not sure. Perhaps this player does support DoP (DSD packed in PCM stream) over it's SPDIF/optical jack. <shrug>. The manual does state "PCM stereo only" (via optical) ... and doesn't mention DoP. I've run out of time, sorry.
Ars Paart Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 A6 supports DoP over SPDIF, stereo DSD64 only. I doubt, though, that the player is sending anything other than PCM. Could be wrong but.
Steff Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 For those who follow the topic only occasionally, the posts after discuss not the Eversolo but arcam cds50's ability to play SACD via optical. Might be useful to label each post more clearly to avoid confusion? -- Back on topic...the Eversolo can play SACD files (SACD transport -> Eversolo (> DAC) > amp)? And also SACD flac/iso: I think this was confirmed above. 1
Ars Paart Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 6 minutes ago, Steff said: Back on topic...the Eversolo can play SACD files (SACD transport -> Eversolo (> DAC) > amp)? And also SACD flac/iso: I think this was confirmed above. This is confusing. SACD is the disc; its copy-protected DSD contents can only be transmitted via HDMI (DSD Native) unless they have been ripped to an ISO or individual files (eg. DSF, DFF). A6 has precisely zero HDMI inputs so it's not going to be able to play DSD transmitted natively from an SACD transport. Likewise, there's no such thing as "SACD flac". FLAC contains PCM only. A6 can play SACD ISOs and individual DSD files. 3
Snoopy8 Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 There is a lot confusion here on what is SACD and what is DSD/DSF (will use DSD from now on). I suspect people, and some vendors, are using these 2 terms interchangeably but they are different. SACD is the physical disk which is copy protected and the only (supposed) digital transmission is via HDMI. There are not many SACD transports around and I suspect the manufacturers pay Sony for the privilege. DSD is the format of the music files within the physical disk. It is possible to rip the DSD files (using Oppo 103/105 for example). There is no copy protection of DSD files. DSD files are usually done over USB but some vendors have implemented optical etc. So, going forward, please be clear on whether you are referring to the physical disk i.e. SACD or the music files i.e. DSD. 4
cafe67 Posted June 3, 2023 Author Posted June 3, 2023 Interesting to note that selby are now selling the master version https://www.selby.com.au/brands/eversolo/eversolo-dmp-a6-master-edition.html
Braddles 63 Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 Gee they move fast. The original one hasn’t even been available to most yet .
Niktech Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, cafe67 said: Interesting to note that selby are now selling the master version https://www.selby.com.au/brands/eversolo/eversolo-dmp-a6-master-edition.html Interesting. My concern with this though, is that there is still no linear power supply. The original is $1399. When you add a reputable LPS - such as a KRAFTWERK II - $2000 puts it at another price point where there are other contenders 2
Greg Orr Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, Niktech said: Interesting. My concern with this though, is that there is still no linear power supply. The original is $1399. When you add a reputable LPS - such as a KRAFTWERK II - $2000 puts it at another price point where there are other contenders 600 bucks more. Personally, I do not see the extra value
stuj Posted June 3, 2023 Posted June 3, 2023 42 minutes ago, Greg Orr said: 600 bucks more. Personally, I do not see the extra value There isnt any audibly, unless your ears are golden
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