Cables matter? - blind test

[aussievintage]

7 minutes ago, Satanica said:

There are audiophiles who have a strong scientific approach to audio reproduction and that's not going to change. And, I think that (slowly) this is increasing and will continue to (slowly) increase in the future.

 

Now that you mention it, yes, I think more and more people are listening to reason about some of the more extreme snake oil being peddled.  It's a good thing, as it will save people lots of money   but also, it will encourage manufacturers to actually develop real improvements and not just rely on a smart marketing spiel.

[rocky500]

14 minutes ago, Satanica said:

Hi, if you treat this as just a fun hobby, then why do you seem to spend such a considerable about of time here in the Great Debate Section?

I do ask myself that all the time when ever I make a post in here.

 

16 minutes ago, Satanica said:

 There are audiophiles who have a strong scientific approach to audio reproduction and that's not going to change.

I also think that is fantastic too as I always think it is a personal thing and each can do it their own way. I think there is many ways to getting to the enjoyment in Audio and listening to your music.

[Satanica]

11 minutes ago, rocky500 said:

I do ask myself that all the time when ever I make a post in here.

[NonPlayableCharacter]

26 minutes ago, rocky500 said:

I do ask myself that all the time when ever I make a post in here.

 

I also think that is fantastic too as I always think it is a personal thing and each can do it their own way. I think there is many ways to getting to the enjoyment in Audio and listening to your music.

 

Agree absolutely.

 

I have never doubted other's experiences in the wider context. I do object to being lectured on differences experienced where the plaudits are laid at the foot of whatever cable or device being worshipped when it completely flies in the face of established electrical engineering principles. At the risk of being profane, don't p1ss in my pocket and tell me it is raining.

 

Own up to the difference between hearing and perceiving. That's totally understandable.

[Niktech]

44 minutes ago, Satanica said:

Hi, if you treat this as just a fun hobby, then why do you seem to spend such a considerable about of time here in the Great Debate Section? You seem to be a regular contributor and I really don't understand how this could be fun for you. Are you consciously or do you think subconsciously you're trying to convince others to give up spending time here and contributing because that would help them to have more fun? If so, perhaps review this practice…….

To be fair,  I think that’s a question many on here could ask themselves as there are a few who seemingly rarely post/contribute in other sections of the forum. Each to their own. 

[POV]

1 hour ago, Niktech said:

To be fair,  I think that’s a question many on here could ask themselves as there are a few who seemingly rarely post/contribute in other sections of the forum. Each to their own. 

 

As you say, each to their own.  If this is the preferred section of the forum for some folks then there's nothing wrong with that. 

 

Personally I find a lot of the topics that are of interest to me simply end up here.  Folks are now so sensitive on this forum that even pretty benign discussions get moved here pretty damn quickly if it strays even mildly towards a debate or one of a number of seemingly sensitive topics that seem to cause discomfort.

 

I myself find it really odd that some folks seem to be completely unable to cope with their world views or thinking being challenged.  Perhaps it's a feature of the relative anonymity of internet communities, but I do wonder how some people get on in daily life!

[muon*]

3 minutes ago, POV said:

 

As you say, each to their own.  If this is the preferred section of the forum for some folks then there's nothing wrong with that. 

 

Personally I find a lot of the topics that are of interest to me simply end up here.  Folks are now so sensitive on this forum that even pretty benign discussions get moved here pretty damn quickly if it strays even mildly towards a debate or one of a number of seemingly sensitive topics that seem to cause discomfort.

 

I myself find it really odd that some folks seem to be completely unable to cope with their world views or thinking being challenged.  Perhaps it's a feature of the relative anonymity of internet communities, but I do wonder how some people get on in daily life!

They get moved here when it becomes a debate.

 

Pretty clear cut without the colouration.

[POV]

2 minutes ago, muon* said:

They get moved here when it becomes a debate.

 

Pretty clear cut without the colouration.

 

Look fair enough.  I see it differently, but such is life.  Perhaps we simply have a different interpretation of where the line is between discussion and debate.

 

In any event....the great mystery of it always remains (to me at least) this sector of the forum that clearly read almost every thread here and then periodically make non-contributions criticising the discussion, the contributors, and the section.  If it's offensive to folks, then why not just avoid it!  I try to put this down to one of the mysteries of the forum and let it go, but it's a behaviour that fascinates me, I cannot deny that.

 

 

[Niktech]

1 hour ago, POV said:

 

As you say, each to their own.  If this is the preferred section of the forum for some folks then there's nothing wrong with that. 

 

Personally I find a lot of the topics that are of interest to me simply end up here.  Folks are now so sensitive on this forum that even pretty benign discussions get moved here pretty damn quickly if it strays even mildly towards a debate or one of a number of seemingly sensitive topics that seem to cause discomfort.

 

I myself find it really odd that some folks seem to be completely unable to cope with their world views or thinking being challenged.  Perhaps it's a feature of the relative anonymity of internet communities, but I do wonder how some people get on in daily life!

I understand your reasoning, I do. But, most people wouldn’t be visiting SNA regularly or for the first to time to participate in a rigorous and passionate debate about audio, or consider it fun to do so. Therefore to make the forum “family friendly” and encourage users to return and participate these emotive debates are moved to their own section rather than the front page.

[Niktech]

I’m not sure if Marc or the moderators have ever looked into it, but on occasion a first time poster has asked a contentious question that has triggered a long and passionate debate over many pages. Do those posters ever return to SNA to post another question?

Edited June 18, 2023 by Niktech

[NonPlayableCharacter]

4 minutes ago, Niktech said:

I’m not sure if Marc or the moderators have ever looked into it, but on occasion a first time poster has asked a contentious question that has triggered a long and passionate debate over many pages. Do those posters ever return to SNA to post another question?

 

I do recall last year a new account asked a question on a usually contentious subject and the expected factionalism arose. The poster made some attempts to clarify or to further investigate, but was later outed as a serial troll who had done the same on other sites just for s@#ts and grins. Suffice to say the account seems to be defunct now.

 

There are sometimes elements of don't ask the question if you won't like the answer on many fora such as this. Most genuine newcomers would spend enough time browsing the subs to be able to ascertain how some questions might go down. If I see a post from a new account, I will always err on the side of diplomacy and maybe throw a link to an existing thread if the ask is potentially contentious.

 

I understand your intent here, Nik, but not sure that the result of a noob never posting again is due to a clear-cut, individual cause.

 

To be fair, a lot of stuff on here reminds me of:

 

But we digress from your original post, I think; unless you wanted it to go this way...? </HonestAttemptAtLevity>

[Niktech]

@El Tel after I posted, I did stop and think this is now way off topic

[rocky500]

4 hours ago, POV said:

Personally I find a lot of the topics that are of interest to me simply end up here.  Folks are now so sensitive on this forum that even pretty benign discussions get moved here pretty damn quickly if it strays even mildly towards a debate or one of a number of seemingly sensitive topics that seem to cause discomfort.

 

I myself find it really odd that some folks seem to be completely unable to cope with their world views or thinking being challenged.  Perhaps it's a feature of the relative anonymity of internet communities, but I do wonder how some people get on in daily life!

You may find this strange, but most people I know into Audio in my neck of the woods really are not looking to be challenged or even find it a complete turn off. It's not what this hobby is about for them.

I see nothing wrong with either way but think  sometimes it best to try as they say "read the room"

I'm personally more with them on this too.

Edited June 18, 2023 by rocky500

[POV]

16 minutes ago, rocky500 said:

 

I see nothing wrong with either way but think  sometimes it best to try as they say "read the room"

I'm personally more with them on this too.

 

Indeed....which is exactly why I don't tend to post much anymore.  There is literally nothing more boring to me than a subjective superlatives echo chamber.

[muon*]

28 minutes ago, rocky500 said:

You may find this strange, but most people I know into Audio in my neck of the woods really are not looking to be challenged or even find it a complete turn off. It's not what this hobby is about for them.

I see nothing wrong with either way but think  sometimes it best to try as they say "read the room"

I'm personally more with them on this too.

It's like the third degree I got from MA on what I stated on solid conductor size, I was not interested in providing an answer, but I did eventually although I have zero interest in his testing regardless of the outcome.

[Niktech]

44 minutes ago, rocky500 said:

You may find this strange, but most people I know into Audio in my neck of the woods really are not looking to be challenged or even find it a complete turn off. It's not what this hobby is about for them.

I see nothing wrong with either way but think  sometimes it best to try as they say "read the room"

I'm personally more with them on this too.

Yeah, I can understand that Life/work is difficult enough - and you just want to relax and unwind on the forum.

 

When topics/threads are already in The Great Audio Debate, people ignore the invite to

the party. When it’s moved to the Great Audio Debate, most people will likely grab their coats and head for the door

[aussievintage]

6 minutes ago, Niktech said:

When topics/threads are already in The Great Audio Debate, people ignore the invite to

the party. When it’s moved to the Great Audio Debate, most people will likely grab their coats and head for the door

 

Yes, all are options.  That's why I can't understand why some people stay and complain.  

[tripitaka]

3 hours ago, Niktech said:

I understand your reasoning, I do. But, most people wouldn’t be visiting SNA regularly or for the first to time to participate in a rigorous and passionate debate about audio, or consider it fun to do so. Therefore to make the forum “family friendly” and encourage users to return and participate these emotive debates are moved to their own section rather than the front page.

 

Couldn't agree more, I feel the mods are doing exactly the right thing by bustling such discussions off into these nether regions (into which I rarely venture )

[tripitaka]

22 minutes ago, Niktech said:

Yeah, I can understand that Life/work is difficult enough - and you just want to relax and unwind on the forum.

 

 

Agree once again, indeed I can recommend the currently drinking thread, there's very little controversy over there

[NonPlayableCharacter]

1 hour ago, tripitaka said:

 

Agree once again, indeed I can recommend the currently drinking thread, there's very little controversy over there

 

At the risk of hijacking @Niktech's thread yet again, you're bang on. The currently drinking/vinyl currently spinning/what did you buy in analogue today threads are just the absolute duck's guts as far as I am concerned. Zero controversy (except when someone suggesting that Graciano pairs with shellfish, of course - we're not heathens), maximum camaraderie.

[Mendes]

7 minutes ago, El Tel said:

Zero controversy (except when someone suggesting that Graciano pairs with shellfish, of course - we're not heathens), maximum camaraderie.

or that Merlot is any good 

[Niktech]

13 minutes ago, El Tel said:

 

At the risk of hijacking @Niktech's thread yet again, you're bang on. The currently drinking/vinyl currently spinning/what did you buy in analogue today threads are just the absolute duck's guts as far as I am concerned. Zero controversy (except when someone suggesting that Graciano pairs with shellfish, of course - we're not heathens), maximum camaraderie.

No probs with the cross over threads @El Tel

Edited June 18, 2023 by Niktech

[March Audio]

16 hours ago, muon* said:

It's like the third degree I got from MA on what I stated on solid conductor size, I was not interested in providing an answer, but I did eventually although I have zero interest in his testing regardless of the outcome.

 

I just asked what was the basis for your statement that "solid core would attenuate high frequencies".

 

Whats wrong with that??? 

 

Edited June 19, 2023 by March Audio

[March Audio]

16 hours ago, aussievintage said:

 

Yes, all are options.  That's why I can't understand why some people stay and complain.  

 

Indeed.  No one is forcing anyone to read or contribute to these threads.

 

However, looking at the thread views stat's I'm not sure the Great debate section is as unpopular or off putting as some would like to make out.

 

Edited June 19, 2023 by March Audio

[Cloth Ears]

12 hours ago, Mendes said:

or that Merlot is any good 

[OT]There's a whole Great Debate thread, right there, having had a 2007 and a 2009 Merlot (both from McLaren Vale) on the weekend...[/OT]