the 440hz conspiracy - Ok is this true or an April fool joke?

[mpearce38]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ILuyaZIO4#t=23

 

This video claims that A440 the standard pitch for tuning an instrument was engineered to aggravate people into fighting wars.

 

 

[Full Range]

It's all new to me ?

[Viognier]

They could do with some help checking their spelling.

[Guest Muon]

Heh....and I always thought multiple media formats were invented for that.

Edited November 19, 2013 by ortofun

[THOMO]

Sonic healers and chakra aligners know that at 432 Hz money levitates out of your wallet and into theirs.

[leo]

On all the comparisons they do between 2 identicle pieces of music the 432hz one always sounds nicer to me.There is more to this than meets the ear.

[mpearce38]

OK I'm tuning my guitar at 432 and checking this out, 

[Orpheus]

No, of course it's not true.

[YoungSC]

I remember reading some stuff by Dr Len Horowitz on this topic based around this scale

 

174Hz, 285Hz, 396Hz, 417Hz, 528Hz, 639Hz, 741Hz, 852Hz, 963Hz

[mpearce38]

ok trield it there is a lot on you tube but it seem to be a myth, 432 sound differnent but doubt there is any great effect did notice 440 tends to harmonise better when playing scales

[olderas]

Pitch is not natural, it is a compromise so that all the keys could be payed on one instrument. It doesn't really matter where you start, it is the relative difference between the notes that is important, and we have been conditioned to accept the "well tempered" version, and I must say it sounds alright to me   

[Linkin]

Stupidest thing I've ever heard (not posts in this thread, just the notion of 432 v 440). The related videos as well. Seems like a fad.

Edited December 8, 2013 by Linkin

[Orpheus]

Pitch is not natural, it is a compromise so that all the keys could be payed on one instrument. It doesn't really matter where you start, it is the relative difference between the notes that is important, and we have been conditioned to accept the "well tempered" version, and I must say it sounds alright to me

The relationship between notes within a scale is a different issue, obviously.

Only instruments with fixed notes actually employ the well tempered scale. If you listen to a good string quartet, for example, they will play each key in its own way.

For example, in the major key, the third and the seventh are sharper than in the well tempered scale.

This is instinctive for musicians with good ears.

Back on topic, the modern pitch results in a slightly brighter sound when baroque music is played than would be the case with baroque pitch.

The strings used on modern instruments also contribute to a brighter sound. Bows are also different.

[David A]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ILuyaZIO4#t=23

 

This video claims that A440 the standard pitch for tuning an instrument was engineered to aggravate people into fighting wars.

I heard a rumor Marc regularly plays that frequency when people log into this forum

[Kaynin]

ok trield it there is a lot on you tube but it seem to be a myth, 432 sound differnent but doubt there is any great effect did notice 440 tends to harmonise better when playing scales

 

 

So you didn't feel like punching on with your neighbour?

[Decky]

The idea is not new at all. Simplistically - any tone is a vibration - any vibration carries energy - we absorb that energy at different levels of our bodies and minds and react to that stimulant.

 

Here is an interesting reading who wish to explore this idea further.

 

http://www.gurdjieff.org/werbock1.htm

 

Now, it would be hard to say how a particular tone can influence human behaviour. I would still say that we do have a free will - it is us who can create reality. Therefore it is very hard to perceive as plausible when a human being is plotted as an empty shell without any power to change his reactions to external stimuli.

[rawl99]

The idea is not new at all. Simplistically - any tone is a vibration - any vibration carries energy - we absorb that energy at different levels of our bodies and minds and react to that stimulant.

 

 

 

Here is an interesting reading who wish to explore this idea further.

 

 

 

http://www.gurdjieff.org/werbock1.htm

 

 

 

Now, it would be hard to say how a particular tone can influence human behaviour. I would still say that we do have a free will - it is us who can create reality. Therefore it is very hard to perceive as plausible when a human being is plotted as an empty shell without any power to change his reactions to external stimuli.

Decky,

 

Your choice of words is extremely interesting  You choose the wording that it is "very hard to perceive as plausible when a human being is plotted as an empty shell without any power to change his reactions to external stimuli."

And yet the commonly accepted behavioural usage of the word 'react' is that a reaction is unconscious and typically a Limbic response based in fear/experiential conditioning, as opposed to a 'response' which is a consciously analysed/reasoned behavioural pattern.

 

You also state that we 'react to that stimulant' in the first sentence.... again very effect rather than cause.

 

So if we all spend our time reacting to everything that is going on around us then the creation of any nature of desired reality is indeed a very long way off.

The reality we create from reaction is precisely the reality of which we are most afraid...hence the reaction.

 

Looking a little deeper we are indeed able to change our responses to any stimuli and we are also able to change our reactions to stimuli, with the ability to respond increasing greatly as one processes/deletes the unconcious/subconcious systems that create the reactive responses.

As the reactive patterning decreases, so does ones ability to respond in a chosen manner instead increase.

 

As to whether we actually CREATE any reality is a whole interesting other subject area.

I would agree that our perception/interpretation creates our perceived reality and no more; but as far as us actually creating 'reality'.........

 

cheers

Rawl

[Decky]

Do not analyse my words too deeply - English is my 2nd language. I agree with your analysis of reaction vs. response. The latter is probably more appropriate for the first sentence. 

 

As for the creation of reality - I would argue that perception is creation, or maybe more accurately - a partial creation. A subjective reality is nothing more and nothing less of what we perceive. That is not a complete reality but is one of the statistically possible realities with some statistical weight attached to it. It is never complete and full - or absolute if you want. We "create" our reality by sampling a percentage of truth from the "absolute truth" energy pool. In that process we enter a dynamic exchange of our perceptions (with other members of our human society) and create a dynamic learning process. We can expand our perception but we can never (at least not in this material form) perceive the absolute. The reason being that the "absolute" has to contain all possible variations and version of the "truth", out of which some are incompatible and because of that would require multiple universes to be emanated  and experienced. Equation between perception and creation is important since perception makes an active link between the subject and the object of perception and eliminates a concept of "passive observer" that some human beings sometimes assign to themselves and consequently rob themselves of the most important gift they have - creativity.

[Astrosound]

This is interesting!

listen and come back with your opinion !

 

It would be interesting to make a poll !!!

Cheers

[warrengday]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5ILuyaZIO4#t=23

 

This video claims that A440 the standard pitch for tuning an instrument was engineered to aggravate people into fighting wars.

Is that why music is so relaxing to listen to?!?!

 

I think you'll find there were more wars before the A440 standardisation, probably just because war is expensive.  Also lots of authentic Baroque recordings of today are still at A415.

[mpearce38]

I assume most anti war american folk was played tuned at 440?