imconfused Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 I have a turntable that I wish to set up to my reciver that doesn't have a phono port please advise my best option
NonPlayableCharacter Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 Hey Tony, firstly, welcome to StereoNET. Few questions... What is the make & model of your receiver? What cartridge is on your turntable?
imconfused Posted October 2, 2023 Author Posted October 2, 2023 Reciever is 5.1 yamaha with no phono port turntable is a fenton and only speaker ports
aussievintage Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, imconfused said: Reciever is 5.1 yamaha with no phono port turntable is a fenton and only speaker ports Their seem to be many models of "Fenton". Which one do you have? If it really only has speaker ports, you really can't connect it to the Yamaha inputs easily. 1
John0001 Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 Speaker outputs from a turntable sounds very unusual. I had a quick look at the Fenton decks online and they seem to have a stereo "Line out". https://djcity.com.au/category/dj-equipment/turntables/record-players/?prod_products[hierarchicalMenu][hierarchicalCategories.lv0][0]=DJ Equipment&prod_products[hierarchicalMenu][hierarchicalCategories.lv0][1]=Turntables&prod_products[hierarchicalMenu][hierarchicalCategories.lv0][2]=Record Players&prod_products[refinementList][brand][0]=Fenton Is this what it looks like on the back?
John0001 Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 I'd have to assume it has a basic MM (moving magnet) cart fitted, which means virtually any inexpensive phono pre should work without issue. My pick of inexpensive phono pre's would be the Schiit Mani but I'm sure others here will have their own ideas. You'll need to go RCA out from the TT to the phono pre then from the phono pre to the line in on the receiver.
aussievintage Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, John0001 said: I'd have to assume it has a basic MM (moving magnet) cart fitted, which means virtually any inexpensive phono pre should work without issue. My pick of inexpensive phono pre's would be the Schiit Mani but I'm sure others here will have their own ideas. You'll need to go RCA out from the TT to the phono pre then from the phono pre to the line in on the receiver. Be wary. I have been looking and haven't found one with a magnetic cart yet. They all seem to have ceramic carts. Those left and right outs are for speakers.
NonPlayableCharacter Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 24 minutes ago, aussievintage said: Be wary. I have been looking and haven't found one with a magnetic cart yet. They all seem to have ceramic carts. Those left and right outs are for speakers. This is a reasonable point, but then perhaps a dual MM/MC value phono like the iFi Zenphono would be an option. Start with low output MC as the assumed cartridge type and swap to MM settings on the front switch in the event there is low gain detected when playing vinyl? You will be able to sell the iFi easily if you wish to upgrade etc. They are well priced and do not have huge value to lose. 1
imconfused Posted October 2, 2023 Author Posted October 2, 2023 iFi audio Zen Air Phono Preamplifier That should work 1
aussievintage Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, El Tel said: but then perhaps a dual MM/MC value phono like the iFi Zenphono would be an option. Start with low output MC as the assumed cartridge type and swap to MM settings on the front switch in the event there is low gain detected when playing vinyl? Unless I am missing something, you cannot feed speaker outputs (even if only a couple of watts) into a phono preamp??? 1
NonPlayableCharacter Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 They looks like RCA ouputs to me. Am I missing something?
aussievintage Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, El Tel said: They looks like RCA ouputs to me. Am I missing something? Yep, they are using RCA sockets to connect to a pair of external speakers 1
NonPlayableCharacter Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, aussievintage said: Yep, they are using RCA sockets to connect to a pair of external speakers Well they could be either RCAs that have yet to go through RIAA correction and that is done in each of the speakers on a per channel basis... Or, they are line level outputs post-RIAA correction, in which case they can just plug into the line in on any chosen input pair on the receiver - in other words, there is an onboard phono stage on the TT. Right?
aussievintage Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, El Tel said: Well they could be either RCAs that have yet to go through RIAA correction and that is done in each of the speakers on a per channel basis... Or, they are line level outputs post-RIAA correction, in which case they can just plug into the line in on any chosen input pair on the receiver. Right? Can you see any speaker terminals? I could not, and I doubt those little boxes are powered speakers. I have seen cheap equipment that uses RCA plugs and sockets as speaker connectors before. So as I said, be wary, all might not be as it seems. 3
aussievintage Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) Found proof Edited October 2, 2023 by aussievintage 2
imconfused Posted October 2, 2023 Author Posted October 2, 2023 Those little boxes are speakers and plug into those rca sockets 1
NonPlayableCharacter Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, aussievintage said: Can you see any speaker terminals? I could not, and I doubt those little boxes are powered speakers. I have seen cheap equipment that uses RCA plugs and sockets as speaker connectors before. So as I said, be wary, all might not be as it seems. Fair. Assumption made an ass out of me again 1 2
mbz Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 So what "electronics" is in the turntable, maybe a phono stage? Speakers aren't powered so gain stage must be in TT. Owners manual might be helpful...
imconfused Posted October 2, 2023 Author Posted October 2, 2023 All I know us you plug the speakers into the rca plugs put on record and sound comes out
mbz Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 Yep, I took a look at the Fenton RP165 owners manual, 100W output power(LOL). You cannot connect this TT to another amp without "serious" modification of the iternals. "Enjoy" it for what it is or buy another TT...
Wimbo Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 Waste of time trying to incorporate the Yammie Receiver into this low fi system. @imconfused You need a Project Turntable with a Phono stage built in to play back vinyl.
John0001 Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 Wow so yeah they are speaker outs that is quite odd, the TT must have some sort of speaker amp and phono stage built in.
aussievintage Posted October 2, 2023 Posted October 2, 2023 Guys, it's just like the hundreds of cheap ceramic cartridge record players out there, just like all the Crosleys, except they put the speakers in external boxes. It will be tracking heavily on a sapphire stylus and will never sound good. Sorry OP.
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