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Since my USB Reinigen was released I have been testing a few variations to see if better performance could be obtained.

 I just thought it would be good to have the option of an even better sounding version even though it would be more expensive. 

 

Tested so far:

Crystek ultra low phase noise oscillator  - in place of the discreet clock circuitry.  

 Super expensive ($500) OCXO oven controlled crystal oscillator with ultra low phase noise – again in place of the discreet clock circuitry.

 Ultra low noise low drop regulators – in place of the discreet shunt regulators.

 Various capacitor upgrades etc etc

 Surprisingly none of the new versions stood out in the AB listening comparisons as sounding significantly better.

  I came to the conclusion that the original design was already well optimised & I was getting the maximum performance from the Analogue Devices isolator/reclocking chip.

 

 Recently I thought I would have another look at this but coming from a different direction.

 Let’s try ripping  out all the fancy audiophile stuff & going for a base level design but still with top quality components

 Wow, now this was a surprise -  I found I was getting extremely close to the original models sound but with a vastly reduced component count & less than half the build time.

 

  OK so summing up the design.

  USB Isolator/re-clocker based on the new top spec Analogue Devices isolating  reclocking chip

  Full 5KV galvanic isolation between in & out USB connections

  Audio Grade Nichicon Gold Tune capacitors for the main power supply

  Nichicon audio capacitors  -  Fine Gold & KZ Muse for the rest

  Ultra low noise Linear Technology regulators & Vishay soft recovery diodes for the main bridge rectifier

  This is in place of the original active synchronous design which is a big saving cost wise

  The USB A output socket uses a double regulated 1.5A  5v internal supply which can be disabled via a jumper

  This well filtered linear 5v out is a big advantage if the downstream component (eg DAC) requires 5v in via USB which is common.  

  Appearance wise it looks identical to the original USB Reinigen  - same case & 9v AC plugpak

  To order the new version select "Streamline" in the variant box.

  To order the normal version select "Original" in the variant box.

 

  Now I’ve saved the best part till last

  The price! $1000  - this big drop is only possible due to the much lower component cost/count  &  drastically reduced build time 

   I will  jump on the website shortly & add it as a new model.

   Availability – now                  
 

   Update - when ordering on the website select "streamline"  for  the new basic version

    &   "Original" for the standard version.            
     https://www.gieseler.com.au/product-page/usb-reinigen    

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               

 

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Genius Clay ... just as well the build time is less than half, at that price I think you'll be building a lot of them !!!

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Thanks Mark - yes I was very happy with the price - certainly makes it more budget friendly  🤑

I did quite a few A B listening tests & it was surprising close to the original -  that was only after a couple of hours run in time too.

The only possible issue is the Analog Devices chip I use is currently out of stock - obviously very popular.

Fortunately I have a reasonable stash so production is fine for a while.

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No sorry  - I've put a huge amount of  time, expense, research & prototyping into optimizing this so I'd rather keep the internals off line.

Can't make it too easy for our eastern friends to clone it!  😢

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Thanks Matty  - yes me to, sales are extremely quiet at the moment so not good.

Seems to be the same everywhere - I guess the high interest rates don't help especially if you have a big mortgage!

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Yes, I'm in a similar position right now as I'll have an extremely large mortgage for a year or so while I build a new home. Repayments will be more than I earn for its duration so will come from what I've set aside for it and sale of the existing property will pay it off, or most of it off anyway.

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Oh no - sounds tough.

 

Hey I forgot to mention a while back I did a special Reinigen with two re-clocking chips - I think it was you who suggested it.

It did sound good but to be honest the new streamlined version it performing so well I don't think I will bother with any other variations.

 

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  On 08/11/2023 at 2:57 AM, Gieseler Audio said:

Oh no - sounds tough.

 

Hey I forgot to mention a while back I did a special Reinigen with two re-clocking chips - I think it was you who suggested it.

It did sound good but to be honest the new streamlined version it performing so well I don't think I will bother with any other variations.

 

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So these question is..... How much for the one of a kind prototype  ;)

 

Just joking..... Unless I had the $ free of course then I'd be dead serious  🙂

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Hi Clay, 


Have you had any opportunity to compare the 

new streamlined version to the Intona 7055, or other direct competition at that money? 
 

just curious. 
thanks 🙏 Steve 

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No - the only comparisons were done by snoopy with the original Reinigen & the Phoenix.

 

I did try  a earlier model Intona in my system (between Auralic G2.1 & my top DAC)  but found it muddied the sound a bit.

 

Cheers

 

 

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  On 08/11/2023 at 7:21 AM, Grizaudio said:

Have you had any opportunity to compare the 

new streamlined version to the Intona 7055, or other direct competition at that money? 

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https://www.stereonet.com/forums/topic/325137-innuos-owners-and-discussions-thread/?do=findComment&comment=6049821

 

 

If you scroll down that post, you will find that AustinPop ranked the Intona lower than the Uptone IsoRegen.  I did compare the IsoRegn + LPS side by side with the Phoenix and the Phoenix easily beat the IsoRegen which was mushy.

 

  On 08/11/2023 at 7:33 AM, Gieseler Audio said:

No - the only comparisons were done by snoopy with the original Reinigen & the Phoenix.

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In another post further down that thread, I said:

"I have the Phoenix and compared with it with the Reinigen. For me, Reinigen is an absolute bargain at 30% of the cost, close to the Phoenix (which has a little more bass)."

 

That 30% is now down to 18% !!! The Reinigen is now an absolute steal! 

 

@Grizaudio  I am staggered that you are still hesitating with the Reinigen.  

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  On 08/11/2023 at 9:07 AM, Snoopy8 said:

I did compare the IsoRegn + LPS side by side with the Phoenix and the Phoenix easily beat the IsoRegen which was mushy.

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Thanks. 

 

  On 08/11/2023 at 9:07 AM, Snoopy8 said:

"I have the Phoenix and compared with it with the Reinigen. For me, Reinigen is an absolute bargain at 30% of the cost, close to the Phoenix (which has a little more bass)."

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Thanks Snoop, I was asking specifically interested in the streamlined version feedback.... but understand what you are putting down. 

 

  On 08/11/2023 at 9:07 AM, Snoopy8 said:

@Grizaudio  I am staggered that you are still hesitating with the Reinigen.  

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As you know, USB 'isolation/clocking' products can be quite system and listener dependant.

I wanted to hear the GR in my system before pulling the pin.

It was my fault, I missed the demo round for a trial, as the travel time wasn't practical & the timing was off with work.    

Atm my Hifi equipment is boxed, it seems new home buyers don't appreciate JBL M2's, and HiFi gear taking up prime position in the second bedroom.  ;) 

Jokes aside, I'm moving interstate and once I have property possession, my goal is to immediately renovate an existing space into a dedicated listening and media room. 

So I have promised myself no purchases until that's done. Plus I would like to DIY a pair of 3-way active pro monitors, so there's that too. 

 

Too many factors not in alignment. 

 

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As others have said. Sheer genius Glay.   

 

I have been trying to reach you for a few weeks to order your older one.   But now you have the new one, thats the one I want.

 

Will send another mail confirming that.

 

Thanks

Bill

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Hi Clay

 

Mail sent from your site ordering it.

 

Also letting others know there may be a listening session with it.   Nothing specific yet - will let people know.

 

Thanks

Bill

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Hi Bill,

hey I've sent you a couple of emails but they may have gone into your spam box as there was a pdf attachment.

The attachment is the invoice for the USB Re-Clocker.

Its all ready to go, just waiting on payment of the invoice

The other option is just buy it direct from my website here.

https://www.gieseler.com.au/newseries

Just make sure in the variant box you select the streamlined version which is $1000

Cheers

Clay 

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Hi Clay

 

Paid.   You were correct.   It was in my spam folder.

 

Bank receipt sent in reply email.

 

Thanks for your patience with my silly spam folder.   I have no idea how it deterines what is spam.

 

Thanks

Bill

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Thanks Bill  -  yes I thought there had to be some silly error causing the hold up.

Will ship it ASAP and send you the tracking.

Please let me know how the listening session goes.

It's in the vocals where the USB Re-Clocker  really seems to help.

Enjoy!

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I recently purchased a streamlined version last Thursday and received it on Monday! Amazing service Clay. Thanks,

I had been a previous owner of the original Reinigen but moved away from streaming and focused on CD’s. Anyways, I am now  back into streaming ( I guess for the flexibility) As my DAC ( Holo spring) level 3 sounds best through I2S I have been using a Denafrips Hermes DDC with great success both through my cd transport and now  through my streamer,  The CD player runs via coax rca and my streamers best output is also through coax but my DDC only has one Coax input. The solution was to purchase the Reinigen ( streamline) instead of a new streamer with a better usb output which would have cost significantly more. a lot more!  My goal was simply to match the output making my streamers usb output at least equal to the coax. After 2 days of trialing the Reinigen my expectations have been somewhat exceeded. With the Reinigen in my system feeding into the Hermes’ DDC, my system now beats my cd transport ( primare DD35) running into the Hermes which has surprised me. The highs are somewhat smoother and the mid range vocals are more pronounced. It’s hard to explain without using the cheesy cliches ( but it is smoother) Maybe daisy chaining the Reinigen into the Hermes’ ( 2x reclockers has made the difference) I now feel that my streaming chain is somewhat enhanced above the combined spend of each of the components. An audiophile bargain of sorts. 

I mentioned earlier that I had owned the original more expensive Reinigen, to be honest I can’t tell the difference but in saying that my system has been somewhat upgraded since first owning  the original Reinigen.  I also believe that upgrading your cables etc will only enhance the benefits of a device like a Reinigen. I guess it’s important to ensure you have no bottlenecks in your system to ensure you get the  best out of it.  Also using pretty decent usb cables helps as well. 

In summary for $1,000 the streamline Reinigen is a steal. I fully encourage others to experiment the way I have.

 

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had the original Reinigen which wasn't engaging with my dac had to power off and on for it to be recognised got in touch with Clay he said to return it and was replaced with the streamline version the new one works perfectly and has lifted the sound quality of my system am very happy with the Reinigen in the loop
as always Clay's  after sales service is 100%.

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As of the 23rd of April I will finally have USB Reinigen’s back in stock.

It is using a new PCB which has been  slightly tweaked regarding layout/ design.

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