Krix set up- rear surround, bookshelf or on wall?

[fordriver1]

 

Hi all,

 

In the process of planning the HT room in my new build.

Room is 4.3m screen to rear wall, 4.6m wide. will have 1 row of seating 3-400mm away from rear wall.

Have Krix Harmonix and Vortex for LCR 

 

I'm planning on going with a 5.1.2 set up.

For rear surrounds am considering Krix Equinox bookshelf speakers, mounted on wall to the side and maybe 700mm or so above listening postion- facing almost toward each other- these have a rear port and I have read they'll need decent space behind the speaker. Another option would be Krix Dynamix onwall. these would be positioned the same, but would face forward rather than toward the listening position.

Which of these would you rather have?

https://krix.com.au/dynamix-mk4/

 

 

[Duncanrw]

I have same lcr   sides is acoustix  and  2 sets of dynamix   what a sound

all well matched for sound

same tweeter and mid units

remember the acoustix  has a front port

the acoustix  are a real sleeper speaker

 

[AudioGeek]

Have you considered Phonix ceiling mounted?

[fordriver1]

8 hours ago, DDZIP said:

I have same lcr   sides is acoustix  and  2 sets of dynamix 

 

Where are your rears positioned? I'd be interested to see pics of the room if you have any

cheers

[fordriver1]

8 hours ago, AudioGeek said:

Have you considered Phonix ceiling mounted?

 

Would this position give a good encompassing surround? 

Will likely add a pair of ceiling atmos speakers too.

[AudioGeek]

https://www.stereonet.com/forums/topic/509668-surround-speaker-suggestions/#comment-5847971

[fordriver1]

thanks,

 

I'm leaning toward the Dynamix as they seem similar to Phonix just less power, which is fine for surround channels.

 

Does this look like a reasonable location? I will be using Audissey room correction with my Denon receiver

Listening position will be 700-750mm from rear wall

 

 

Edited January 10, 2024 by fordriver1

[Guest]

Since you are planning from scratch, suggest having screen on short wall and leave more space between seat and rear wall.  It makes a difference,! 

 

Try to get things as close to the Dolby guidelines

https://www.dolby.com/about/support/guide/speaker-setup-guides/5.1.2-overhead-speaker-setup-guide/

 

[fordriver1]

Thanks for reply. 

There's a window on the short wall so that's not an option.

[Darryl]

You could ask @Krix Loudspeakers for their recommendation

[Guest]

15 hours ago, fordriver1 said:

will have 1 row of seating 3-400mm away from rear wall.

 

2 hours ago, fordriver1 said:

Listening position will be 700-750mm from rear wall

Am confused. Is listening position 0.4m, 0.7m or in the diagram against the wall???

 

Shame about the shape of room (and almost square).  And no allowance for room treatment?  

[fordriver1]

I can move seats max 500-550mm from rear wall, so listening position will be approx 700-750

[Hi-Fi Whipped]

For an Atmos 5.1.2 I think you’ll need to drop the height of your rear speakers as per the guide Snoopy supplied.

 

If budget allows I think the Krix phonix 45 would be a very clean install for the rears and match the fronts nicely.

 

https://krix.com.au/phonix-45/

[fordriver1]

Thanks whipped (do I call you whipped?) 

Yeah budget prob doesn't allow for those . 

Maybe some used ones might pop up I'm trying to find good used stuff. So far successful with projector and centre!

Problem is patience isn't my strong suit...

[fordriver1]

5 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

And no allowance for room treatment? 

I haven't even started thinking about that yet. Would likely do what I did in my last place and make some panels.

Having said that it didn't sound great, and I never got around to try to improve it...

 

 

[Guest]

Getting the dedicated room right, at the design stage, is the easiest and best way to do things.  Dimensions, placement, room treatment should all be considered during planning.

 

However, I sense that this dedicated room is a  compromise, and may not deliver better results than your existing room.

 

My apologies for taking this OT.  I will leave this thread and let you sort out  your rear speakers.

Edited January 11, 2024 by Snoopy8
Typo

[fordriver1]

I didn't design the house around the home theater, and ended up with a room size that works with the rest of the house plan. The house is at the build stage that it can't be changed. I just wanted to make it sound as good as it can.

TBH @Snoopy8 it seems that rather than try to be helpful with advice with the room I have to work with and the questions I've asked, you have decided to take the tact of criticizing. Not particularly helpful unfortunately. Yep looks like I'm on my own to sort this one out....

 

Edit: thank you to all others that replied. Your input was helpful.

Edited January 11, 2024 by fordriver1

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, fordriver1 said:

The house is at the build stage that it can't be changed

My apologies. I did not realise the house was being built, and I read your "planning" in your opening post wrongly.

[Hi-Fi Whipped]

9 hours ago, fordriver1 said:

Thanks whipped (do I call you whipped?) 

Yeah budget prob doesn't allow for those . 

Maybe some used ones might pop up I'm trying to find good used stuff. So far successful with projector and centre!

Problem is patience isn't my strong suit...

I’ve been called worse!

 

You could do a lot worse than stick with your original plan for some cheaper krix rears, even if you run the cables down the walls for some speakers on stands they can be used later for anything wall mounted.

In that sealed room your front LCR and subs will sound huge and deliver the type of scale you are after.

I may be blind but what are you running from a Receiver POV? Good Room EQ like Dirac will go a long way to helping you with your room acoustics.

[fordriver1]

Yeah I have a Denon avr, which uses Audessey room correction. 

I'll check out Dirac and see what that's all about though if superior.

I note that the Dolby guide shows up firing speakers reflecting on ceiling rather than in ceiling? I will be using ceiling mounted speakers for height channel. YouTube seems to have no end of advice on this, but it's hard to filter what's good advice

[AudioGeek]

Stick with your current avr for now and get best speakers possible/affordable.

 

In ceiling atmos is way better than upfiring if you can do it.

 

By the way @Snoopy8 is one of the most helpful guys on this forum. He is only trying to provide useful advice.

[RCADees]

4 hours ago, AudioGeek said:

By the way @Snoopy8 is one of the most helpful guys on this forum. He is only trying to provide useful advice.

 

Definitely agree.

 

I am sure Snoopy8 only had the best intentions and is always super helpful. Lots of knowledge.
Sometimes communication is misinterpreted in the typed form.

[hopefullguy]

hopefully (pun) this wont get me ignored as well but mate lighten up, its a forum and the guy you told to go jump has years of experience in this area and a great source of info if wanting to here some truths.

 

no w that i am on the outer, actually prfere it, you never mentioned what avr you had, "audyssey" can mean different levels, xt32 being the minimal and below that a waste of time. all rooms are a compromise for most normal people so you do the best you can.

 

if you want a one stop atmos shop check out "home theater gurus" on youtube. dont bother with in ceiling speakers if ever doing .4, .2 i guess they are ok.. with the width of room being used look at future expansion to a 7.2.4 set up incorporating front wides (not rears) you have the space.

 

have you considered 2 good subs and all 7 speakers the same book shelf, uniform sound all around.

[fordriver1]

3 hours ago, hopefullguy said:

the guy you told to go jump has years of experience in this area and a great source of info

In all fairness never did I tell anyone to go jump- Snoopy clearly said he was abandoning this topic. I originally asked the questions here as I'm well aware many on here have a wealth of experience and was hoping I could get some guidance. 

 

3 hours ago, hopefullguy said:

have you considered 2 good subs

Already started a thread asking this exact question and the great answers supplied indicated I may well not need a second due to room volume, and maybe best to start off using the one I have and seeing how that goes first  

3 hours ago, hopefullguy said:

never mentioned what avr you had

I mentioned a Denon avr. They typically have Audyssey MultEQ built in.

 

3 hours ago, hopefullguy said:

and all 7 speakers the same book shelf,

As mentioned I already have Krix Harmonix and Vortex for LCR and will be utilizing those. The surround speakers I asked advice about both are tonally matched to the LCR, according to advice I've already received. My question was not only regarding best choice of the 2, but positioning.

 

Thanks @hopefullguy for taking the time to give a helpful reply 

[fordriver1]

Well a massive thanks goes to Amanda & Michael from Krix for helping me in a private message with speaker choice and set out advice.

Wonderful service from an exceptional company 

Well done Krix team.