Modern Music is Rubbish - sort of

[kiwilistener]

I've seen talk and, in some cases, participated in the conversation that music was better in days long past, and you know what? We are right.

There's a very good reason for this, and I've heard the term "Death of Rock Music" on more than one occasion.

A few days ago, Rick Beato posted the video below, entitled "How Corruption and Greed Led to the Downfall of Rock Music"

It details the demise of the music industry since the mid 90's and goes a long way to explaining why things are today.

 

I couldn't help but be reminded of Pink Floyds track "Have a Cigar" while watching the video. Enjoy

 

 

 

Edited January 12, 2024 by kiwilistener

[wasabijim]

some interesting points from chaps that were there it seems 

several gravy trains running out so the fat cats needs a new scheme and settled with the Nickleback rinse and repeat   (can't believe the kept a straight face uttering that name) 

 

interesting it would seem at the time, the hip-hop landscape was doing similar - homogenous sound via just a handful of producers (looking at you Dr D), but was able to work it n overtake as the more popular and profitable genre. maybe the model worked as the 'artist' (not a collection of players in a band each with a month/brand to feed) would essentially go into the studio with nothing but attitude and lyrics. so they needed everything else supplied (including the musical artistry... ) by the producer and co anyways.

 

 

[Skeptical]

I'm 60 so naturally I don't like much of the younger artists output, as they just don't speak to me. I'm now bored with self-appointed saviours who are ignorant of everything but how to play instruments and write songs. That's not to say there are no gems to be found. I quite like Jack White, for example.

 

I'm also now uncomfortable with much of the misogynist lyrics that many classics contain.  Solving relationships problems with violence? Have to say no to that. 

[keyse1]

I only know about rock n roll and it’s “death” from the perspective of a record buyer 

The biggest single factor is getting old

Rock n roll is a young persons game both the making of it and the listening to it

I still listen all the time to rock music from the 60’s and 70’s but almost nothing since

Even now I still hear occasionally something that I know I would have been into if I was 40 or 50 years younger

In my opinion rock n roll was killed stone dead in the late 70’s with mass popularity of rubbish like The Eagles Dire Straights and Fleetwood Mac that sucked up all the radio time and a lot of great rock music was stillborn because of no radio play

This dull music remains popular today even amongst people who weren’t born at that time and the great unheard bands of that time remain unheard

Add the replacement of individual djs with a wide knowledge of music and bands with corporate djs the end was inevitable 

Anyway entertaining subject and like everything in life is more complicated than what I think but I will add that people my age criticising new music sounds off to me and too reminiscent of my parents at that time in the 60’s when the music really did matter

 

 

[Jeddie]

I know I am going to sound old ..... cause I am, but new R&R is all but dead. Maybe just on life support.

 

It was new, it was rebellious and it wasn't what your parents listened to. My father who grew up in the fifities, he wasn't allowed to play rock and roll records at home because his mother said it would ruin the record player.

 

So fast forward to current day and todays kids don't want to listen what their parents listened to. They want something new. Enter hiphop.

[LogicprObe]

I find most new music bland.

There's the occasional song I like but times are tough.

Not many gigs around these days for budding rockers.

[mrbuzzardstubble]

  On 13/01/2024 at 2:12 AM, keyse1 said:

I only know about rock n roll and it’s “death” from the perspective of a record buyer 

The biggest single factor is getting old

Rock n roll is a young persons game both the making of it and the listening to it

I still listen all the time to rock music from the 60’s and 70’s but almost nothing since

Even now I still hear occasionally something that I know I would have been into if I was 40 or 50 years younger

In my opinion rock n roll was killed stone dead in the late 70’s with mass popularity of rubbish like The Eagles Dire Straights and Fleetwood Mac that sucked up all the radio time and a lot of great rock music was stillborn because of no radio play

This dull music remains popular today even amongst people who weren’t born at that time and the great unheard bands of that time remain unheard

Add the replacement of individual djs with a wide knowledge of music and bands with corporate djs the end was inevitable 

Anyway entertaining subject and like everything in life is more complicated than what I think but I will add that people my age criticising new music sounds off to me and too reminiscent of my parents at that time in the 60’s when the music really did matter

 

 

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Being a bit harsh on Fleetwood Mac aren't you, Keyse1 ? 

 

[keyse1]

  On 13/01/2024 at 10:27 PM, mrbuzzardstubble said:

Being a bit harsh on Fleetwood Mac aren't you, Keyse1 ? 

 

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That guy gets it

I actually hated them at that time

Seems a bit silly now

In retrospect I think it was more like blaming them for great bands not getting any airtime 

 

[mrbuzzardstubble]

 

 

[emesbee]

  On 13/01/2024 at 10:27 PM, mrbuzzardstubble said:

Being a bit harsh on Fleetwood Mac aren't you, Keyse1 ? 

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I liked the early Fleetwood Mac, before Peter Green left, they weren't the same band after that.

Oh Well! - actually the song that introduced me to Fleetwood Mac.

 

 

[stereo coffee]

I think the OP title needs to qualify "modern music" as perhaps a style of music , that do not apply. to modern jazz releases like this one being released in a fortnight.

 

[YCC]

  On 13/01/2024 at 2:12 AM, keyse1 said:

I only know about rock n roll and it’s “death” from the perspective of a record buyer 

The biggest single factor is getting old

Rock n roll is a young persons game both the making of it and the listening to it

I still listen all the time to rock music from the 60’s and 70’s but almost nothing since

Even now I still hear occasionally something that I know I would have been into if I was 40 or 50 years younger

In my opinion rock n roll was killed stone dead in the late 70’s with mass popularity of rubbish like The Eagles Dire Straights and Fleetwood Mac 

 

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Surely not Fleetwood Mac mk 1?

[keyse1]

  On 14/01/2024 at 3:38 AM, YCC said:

Surely not Fleetwood Mac mk 1?

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No

Late 70’s 

They would have sold more records in a month than the original Band in its lifetime

[kiwilistener]

  On 14/01/2024 at 12:31 AM, stereo coffee said:

I think the OP title needs to qualify "modern music" as perhaps a style of music , that do not apply. to modern jazz releases like this one being released in a fortnight.

 

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I'm sorry, Jazz is music? When did that happen 

[stereo coffee]

  On 15/01/2024 at 7:14 PM, kiwilistener said:

 

 

 

I'm sorry, Jazz is music? When did that happen 

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 As early as 1915    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz

""it is music that includes qualities such as swing, improvising, group interaction, developing an 'individual voice', and being open to different musical possibilities".[16] Krin Gibbard argued that "jazz is a construct" which designates "a number of musics with enough in common to be understood as part of a coherent tradition".[17] Duke Ellington, one of jazz's most famous figures, said, "It's all music."[18] "

 

As with all good music that continues on,  it's still developing as modern music as seen in the Vijay Iyer video

Edited January 16, 2024 by stereo coffee

[kiwilistener]

  On 16/01/2024 at 6:10 AM, stereo coffee said:

 As early as 1915    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz

""it is music that includes qualities such as swing, improvising, group interaction, developing an 'individual voice', and being open to different musical possibilities".[16] Krin Gibbard argued that "jazz is a construct" which designates "a number of musics with enough in common to be understood as part of a coherent tradition".[17] Duke Ellington, one of jazz's most famous figures, said, "It's all music."[18] "

 

As with all good music that continues on,  it's still developing as modern music as seen in the Vijay Iyer video

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Lol Chris, I knew I'd get a comment, still not convinced - yah cant get an old rocker to change their tune

[surprisetech]

Yes, large segments of the industry are rubbish.

But from the moment it became possible to purchase music on some type of medium that could be played at home, the music has remained much the same as it ever was.  Some genius, plenty of mass-market dross and everything in between.

Maybe there's more of the dross finds it's way into our ears thanks to new channels to market, but I also think there's still as much genius and genuine art out there as there ever was.

 

There is no shortage of sources for great new music if you make an effort.

Admittedly you probably require an internet connection for most of those sources these days, but there are still some locations, like Melbourne, where the FM band still provides a few great options.

[Ian McP]

  On 17/01/2024 at 1:37 AM, surprisetech said:

Yes, large segments of the industry are rubbish.

But from the moment it became possible to purchase music on some type of medium that could be played at home, the music has remained much the same as it ever was.  Some genius, plenty of mass-market dross and everything in between.

Maybe there's more of the dross finds it's way into our ears thanks to new channels to market, but I also think there's still as much genius and genuine art out there as there ever was.

 

There is no shortage of sources for great new music if you make an effort.

Admittedly you probably require an internet connection for most of those sources these days, but there are still some locations, like Melbourne, where the FM band still provides a few great options.

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PBS, RRR and 3CR inner Melbourne gems!

[mrbuzzardstubble]

  On 27/01/2024 at 6:48 AM, Ian McP said:

PBS, RRR and 3CR inner Melbourne gems!

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The ABC is giving a blow by blow account of JJJs Hottest 100. Someone I'd never heard of, G Flip, has 6 entries. I hopped on down to You tube to have a brief listen to a few of her songs and all I could say was "Lord, help us!".

What can I say about the recordings? Imagine you've gone into a cinema and Tranformers is screening with the THX system turned up to 11.

Edited January 27, 2024 by mrbuzzardstubble

[mrbuzzardstubble]

Here's no.1. A rap over a sample of Burt Bacharach's Walk On By. Come back Dionne!!.

 

[surprisetech]

  On 27/01/2024 at 6:48 AM, Ian McP said:

PBS, RRR and 3CR inner Melbourne gems!

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Thanfully, RRR & PBS Transmitters are on Mt. Dandy, so us hill dwellers still have decent signal without having to revert to streaming.

I substitute 3MDR for 3CR.

[surprisetech]

  On 27/01/2024 at 8:26 AM, mrbuzzardstubble said:

The ABC is giving a blow by blow account of JJJs Hottest 100. Someone I'd never heard of, G Flip, has 6 entries. I hopped on down to You tube to have a brief listen to a few of her songs and all I could say was "Lord, help us!".

What can I say about the recordings? Imagine you've gone into a cinema and Tranformers is screening with the THX system turned up to 11.

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Yeah JJJ wasn’t amongst the stations I was thinking of.

Definitrly the 3 that Ian McP listed along with other local community stations.

I don’t mind a little bit of JJ and SBS Chill on DAB or streaming, but don’t bother with JJJ.

[Phill451]

  On 27/01/2024 at 8:26 AM, mrbuzzardstubble said:

The ABC is giving a blow by blow account of JJJs Hottest 100. Someone I'd never heard of, G Flip, has 6 entries. I hopped on down to You tube to have a brief listen to a few of her songs and all I could say was "Lord, help us!".

What can I say about the recordings? Imagine you've gone into a cinema and Tranformers is screening with the THX system turned up to 11.

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I’m no longer the target market for JJJ and my tastes are a bit more geared to FBI but I generally give the hottest 100 a listen. G flip would have won if they didn’t have so many good songs on the one album that split the vote. I’m not sure the artist would care much  about your views of their recording quality, and back in the day that was about the last thing I  cared about when evaluating music. I’ve seen G Flip live and they are extraordinary.  Get used to it, they’ll be playing stadiums soon.

[mrbuzzardstubble]

  On 28/01/2024 at 10:46 AM, Phill451 said:

I’m no longer the target market for JJJ and my tastes are a bit more geared to FBI but I generally give the hottest 100 a listen. G flip would have won if they didn’t have so many good songs on the one album that split the vote. I’m not sure the artist would care much  about your views of their recording quality, and back in the day that was about the last thing I  cared about when evaluating music. I’ve seen G Flip live and they are extraordinary.  Get used to it, they’ll be playing stadiums soon.

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I know. That's what worries me.

[rantan]

  On 27/01/2024 at 8:26 AM, mrbuzzardstubble said:

Someone I'd never heard of, G Flip, has 6 entries.

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