Streamer DAC Recommendations

[LucasB]

Hi,

Seeking some suggestions for a combined streamer/DAC.

I was recently made aware of the Eversolo DMP A6 which seems to tick a lot of boxes for me but I don't particularly need the screen and my current entertainment unit only allows for my components to sit about 30cms off the ground so the very nice and expensive screen may not be used as often as it costs. I would mostly be using the app via my Iphone so I feel that I may be paying a bit of a premium for a feature that I won't actually all that often so I am also considering something like the Cambridge CXN V2 which has less bells and whistles but sounds great and works well. 

Sound quality is much more important to me than a VU meter or nice display. I really enjoy imaging and soundstage. I'm also a carpenter so I get a lot of noise during the day even though I am very careful to use hearing protection, so I feel at the end of the day I have a bit of hearing fatigue and like brighter, punchier system with instrument separation. 

Current system.
KEF 104/2 
March Audio P422 Power Amp
Rotel A12 MK1 (connected to power amp via pre out RCA to P422)
Cambridge Audio CD10 (via coax into Rotel)
Chromecast Audio (via optical) 
Schiit Modi 3E

I would love to consolidate the Chromecast, Modi and Rotel into a single, 'better sounding' unit with a more coherent and reliable UI. I mostly stream via Tidal but do use Spotify, play CDs and run my tv through the amp. I find the soundstage to be a bit of a jumble at the moment - which is more than likely caused by my room set up but I do want to explore what a 'better' source can do in this set up. I have been told that the Rotel's pre out will be doing a disservice to the P422 and KEFs. When I added the P422 there was a huge difference, mostly in the bottom end of the KEF's so I would like to provide the P422 with as much of an opportunity to shine as I can afford. 

I need:
- Remote. I don't want to always need my phone or laptop around to adjust the volume from the couch.
- Input for a cd player and TV (coax and optical)
- Lossless Tidal and Spotify integration 
- Wifi connectivity - Ethernet is not feasible at my current house. 
- volume control 

I want 
- 12 v trigger would be great. 
- Ideally the unit comes in black.
- Ability to use apps like Soundcloud, Radio Paradise etc. 
- Balanced XLR outputs. It's all the P422 takes and I know it's almost certainly inconsequential but I just don't want to bother with adapters.
- Bluetooth for guests 

Budget 
- Around 1-1.3k AUD

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. 

 

Edited February 14, 2024 by LucasB
Added volume control requirement

[rantan]

Bluesound Node X

[Snoopy8]

It is not easy to get a (up to) $1.3K streamer/DAC with balanced XLR outputs. Brands typically have balanced outputs for streamer/DACs from $2+ K; the Eversolo A6 is an exception.  Probably the best other option is to get a used Cambridge Audio CXN which does appear regularly in the Classifieds.

 

The Node X, mentioned above is a good option, but without XLR. 

 

 

[LucasB]

3 hours ago, rantan said:

Bluesound Node X

thanks! I haven’t looked too heavily into these but I have seen it compared to the eversolo quite often. I’ll have to take a deeper look into them. 
 

it’s hard to discern what the truth is between so many people saying that all dacs and streamers sound the same and others describing the sonic difference between them. 
 

I’m not even clear on whether I should expect an improvement in sound from my current set up to something like the node x / dmp 6 / cxn C2k 

 

I’m fairly happy to simply get away from having to cast everything and have to get up off the couch to change dac inputs to switch some cds to streaming even if there is no major upgrade in performance.

[LucasB]

2 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

It is not easy to get a (up to) $1.3K streamer/DAC with balanced XLR outputs. Brands typically have balanced outputs for streamer/DACs from $2+ K; the Eversolo A6 is an exception.  Probably the best other option is to get a used Cambridge Audio CXN which does appear regularly in the Classifieds.

 

The Node X, mentioned above is a good option, but without XLR. 

 

 

The cxn v2 does look good. I just wish it came in black without having to pay more for it.

 

I’m not tied to xlr. If I can get a better sounding or functioning unit that only has RCA then that’s fine. As far as I’m aware I shouldn’t expect much/any of a performance difference with xlr over rca in such short runs in a home system.

[Snoopy8]

4 minutes ago, LucasB said:

it’s hard to discern what the truth is between so many people saying that all dacs and streamers sound the same and others describing the sonic difference between them. .

The "traditional view" is to buy individual components and then stitch them together.  But not many people realise, let alone admit, that it takes effort, time and money, to stitch the streamer, DAC and cable to achieve synergy and good sound quality.

 

I am one of the few who actively encourage fewer boxes. 

 

9 minutes ago, LucasB said:

The cxn v2 does look good. I just wish it came in black without having to pay more for it.

 

I’m not tied to xlr. If I can get a better sounding or functioning unit that only has RCA then that’s fine. 

Without the XLR restriction, there are a lot more options.

 

The Node is a good choice.  Have a look at Wiim Pro Plus, or if you like the CXN,  Cambridge Audio MXN10 / AXN10 (SNA Affordable Streamer for 2024).

[Hi-Fi Whipped]

Assuming you sell the Rotel and the schitt does that increase the budget?

 

The new Cambridge CXN100 sounds like it may fit the bill, apparently the pre amp and volume controls are improved over the CXN V2 but it’s around the $1800 mark 

[Hi-Fi Whipped]

Also maybe keep an eye out for a used Nad C658 too, they sell for anywhere between $1250-$1700, will do everything you want and then some.

[LucasB]

11 hours ago, Hi-Fi Whipped said:

Assuming you sell the Rotel and the schitt does that increase the budget?

 

The new Cambridge CXN100 sounds like it may fit the bill, apparently the pre amp and volume controls are improved over the CXN V2 but it’s around the $1800 mark 

I’ve been using this logic to spend about 1k over my budget with each purchase I’ve made lately!

 

But yes, I can sell the schiit, Rotel, and I have an as-new pair of B&W CM5’s that I will list for sale so I could push the budget out a little for a great used model like the NAD C658 or a very good new model.

 

[Irek]

[Piddi]

NAD C658

 

Black

XLR

Tidal Connect 

…

$1650 2nd hand

 

I wouldn’t go too cheap as you’ll chase an upgrade by the end of the year. 

[LucasB]

1 hour ago, Irek said:

CA has been a very serious option for me. Although I feel that the cxn v2 is a little too dated to be worth the cost as a used mode these days and the 100 isn’t enough of an upgrade to be quite worth the full rrp for my budget when the Eversolo costs $1400 brand new. I wish the ax and mx had volume control - I would have snapped one up already. 
 

[LucasB]

43 minutes ago, Piddi said:

NAD C658

 

Black

XLR

Tidal Connect 

…

$1650 2nd hand

 

I wouldn’t go too cheap as you’ll chase an upgrade by the end of the year. 

That has been the other idea out of the cxn v2 and Eversolo. It may sound silly but the ASR review of it made me hunt for alternative opinions and I struggled to find a lot of feedback (good or bad) on the c658 so as someone quite inexperienced I really don’t know how to judge it from

internet reviews alone. There are just so many good reviews of the Eversolo to feel confident that it’s almost certainly not going to disappoint a Luddite like me. 
 

I have justified this purchase to myself and my partner as the last major thing I buy until I can afford to massively improve the speakers which will be quite a while so I’m happy to spend a little more for something that’s going to keep me happy for quite a while. I’m realistic that this will be the last big spend for a while. 

 

[Snoopy8]

19 minutes ago, LucasB said:

CA has been a very serious option for me. Although I feel that the cxn v2 is a little too dated to be worth the cost as a used mode these days and the 100 isn’t enough of an upgrade to be quite worth the full rrp for my budget when the Eversolo costs $1400 brand new. 

What you are forgetting is the sound quality (SQ).  The A6 SQ is often overlooked amid all the hype about the screen.

 

Please educate yourself

by listening to a Cambridge Audio streamer. I suspect that the CXN V2, 100,  AXN will beat the A6 for SQ.

 

But, based on your various posts, I think you have decided on the A6?   Hence, your comments that CXN V2 is dated and 100 isn't enough of an upgrade.  

Edited February 16, 2024 by Snoopy8
Typo

[LucasB]

12 minutes ago, Snoopy8 said:

What you are forgetting is the sound quality (SQ).  The A6 SQ is often overlooked amid all the hype about the screen.

 

Please educate yourself

by listening to a Cambridge Audio streamer. I suspect that the CXN V2, 100,  AXN will beat the A6 for SQ.

 

But, based on your various posts, I think you have decided on the A6?   Hence, your comments that CXN V2 is dated and 100 isn't enough of an upgrade.  

I wish I had the opportunity to try a few models out for a few weeks and see which I enjoyed most. 
 

I’ve seen a lot of good reviews on the sq of both models - I just don’t know how ton interpret all the opinions and figure out what is going be the best match. 
 

 

[Snoopy8]

49 minutes ago, LucasB said:

I wish I had the opportunity to try a few models out for a few weeks and see which I enjoyed most. 
 

I’ve seen a lot of good reviews on the sq of both models - I just don’t know how ton interpret all the opinions and figure out what is going be the best match.

Please do not buy solely based on reviews..  You are in Melbourne, where you can compare the A6 side by side with the Cambridge Audio streamers at Selby.  Why are you rushing to buy before auditioning ?  

[was_a]

Completely agree, don't rush to buy. But I disagree with the all-in-one approach, because the DACs in both the A6 and comparable Cambridge units are so-so in my opinion.

 

I'd advise an extra box - yes, that makes two boxes (hehe) - starting with the iFi Zen Stream and matching iPowerX supply, paired with the DAC of your choice. Look at a Schiit Bifrost Multibit, latest Denafrips Ares. Look at Passion For Sound's DAC reviews on YouTube, very good comparisons.

 

Two boxes means you get separately powered units and less interference / noise, which is important with digital audio.

 

All-in-ones need to be very well designed (and expensive!) to compete with a decent two-box solution.

 

IMO

[LucasB]

2 hours ago, was_a said:

I'd advise an extra box - yes, that makes two boxes (hehe) - starting with the iFi Zen Stream and matching iPowerX supply, paired with the DAC of your choice. Look at a Schiit Bifrost Multibit, latest Denafrips Ares. Look at Passion For Sound's DAC reviews on YouTube, very good comparisons.

 

Two boxes means you get separately powered units and less interference / noise, which is important with digital audio.

 

Two boxes can work for me. Ideally the DAC would be a set and forget unit. If my streamer/pre outputs to the dac and the dac goes into the power amp and all source selection happens at one unit I would be happy. 
 

I don’t see how I would connect my cd player and tv to the ifi stream unit you recommended and I’m hesitant to end up back in my current situation where I’m having to set sources across multiple devices just to switch from cd to chromecast. I need a manual for anyone who wants to use the system or for myself after a few drinks. 

[LucasB]

5 hours ago, Snoopy8 said:

Please do not buy solely based on reviews..  You are in Melbourne, where you can compare the A6 side by side with the Cambridge Audio streamers at Selby.  Why are you rushing to buy before auditioning ?  

You’re right. I’ll pop in there over the weekend and check them out in person. 

[was_a]

CD player connects directly to amp, or DAC, put it in the same rack with streamer.

 

But yes, network streaming sounds like new territory for you, so I reckon take your time and 'learn' what constitutes good sound quality in this area by listening and comparing.  

 

Mind you, everyone learns by buying stuff and listening in a home environment. So I guess all you can do is consider all the advice you receive then go for it!

 

And if reducing box count and keeping things efficient is your goal, listen to Snoop. ( I often do! ).

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2024 by was_a

[Godot]

5 hours ago, LucasB said:

You’re right. I’ll pop in there over the weekend and check them out in person. 

If you can take some of your own music that you are familiar with that will help by giving you a reference against what you know and are used to. Be aware that many “auditions” of equipment can done at a higher volume level than you may use at home, but this can also trick your brain into thinking it sounds better. Listen at what for you will be a normal volume.
The equipment you are considering needs to be able to perform with matching amplification and speakers to provide the details and experience you want at lower volumes, I think this is often overlooked. 

Understand what “presentation” works for you, I note you mentioned “bright and punchy”, but also be aware of what you might find too much of a good thing if you are concerned with listening fatigue. Good luck, there won’t really be a “wrong”, but there will definitely be a best match for your personal tastes. As others have said, don’t rush, the more different systems/setups you can hear the more informed your decision will be. 

[LucasB]

15 minutes ago, Godot said:

If you can take some of your own music that you are familiar with that will help by giving you a reference against what you know and are used to. Be aware that many “auditions” of equipment can done at a higher volume level than you may use at home, but this can also trick your brain into thinking it sounds better. Listen at what for you will be a normal volume.
The equipment you are considering needs to be able to perform with matching amplification and speakers to provide the details and experience you want at lower volumes, I think this is often overlooked. 

Understand what “presentation” works for you, I note you mentioned “bright and punchy”, but also be aware of what you might find too much of a good thing if you are concerned with listening fatigue. Good luck, there won’t really be a “wrong”, but there will definitely be a best match for your personal tastes. As others have said, don’t rush, the more different systems/setups you can hear the more informed your decision will be. 

Thanks! I feel that unless I can get it home and put it in my set up with the KEFs and the P422 then an audition of the SQ might be a frivolous pursuit. I definitely do want to get my hands on the UI and wrap my head properly around how alternatives to the Eversolo can be implemented. 

The KEFs sound pretty laid back and cozy to me so I'm not overly worried about pushing them a touch brighter. I would love to get more soundstage and bring the vocals forward with them. They're currently sitting a little behind the stage. If a new streamer/dac/pre can do that that would be great. 

[LucasB]

1 hour ago, was_a said:

CD player connects directly to amp, or DAC, put it in the same rack with streamer.

 

But yes, network streaming sounds like new territory for you, so I reckon take your time and 'learn' what constitutes good sound quality in this area by listening and comparing.  

 

Mind you, everyone learns by buying stuff and listening in a home environment. So I guess all you can do is consider all the advice you receive then go for it!

 

And if reducing box count and keeping things efficient is your goal, listen to Snoop. ( I often do! ).

The boxes aren't as much of an issue as simplifying the process. It's annoying to have to get up off the couch and reach down into the entertainment unit to find the tiny toggle switch on the Modi and remember which position I need to switch it to to get to coax for the cd player. There are also various issues I find when casting music to the chromecast either with my phone or my macbook. All of them are minor issues and the system currently sounds pretty damn good.

I do feel - and have been advised that to get the best out of my system I really shouldn't be using the pre outs of the Rotel so going off that advice I do hope I can attain an extra 5-10% out of the system with this next purchase. 

I would be more than happy to get a very nice DAC and put it downstream of a streaming pre amp that I can connect my cd player and tv to that also allowed me to control volume and has a remote. I just haven't found any options that seem to make as much sense as the Eversolo. I can always add an external DAC to the Eversolo down the road. 

I just get to the point where I've read every review and read all the forums and realise that ultimately I just need to try something and find out if it works for me. 

Edited February 17, 2024 by LucasB

[Irek]

On 16/02/2024 at 10:00 PM, LucasB said:

CA has been a very serious option for me. Although I feel that the cxn v2 is a little too dated to be worth the cost as a used mode these days and the 100 isn’t enough of an upgrade to be quite worth the full rrp for my budget when the Eversolo costs $1400 brand new. I wish the ax and mx had volume control - I would have snapped one up already. 
 

The CA CXN 100 or eversolo master addition is the minimum for your system. Safe more money instead of buying something that you'll want to upgrade a few months from now. 

[LucasB]

 

Well - I did it. After having a play with the Eversolo and having the cash burning a hole in my pocket I took the plunge. 
 

Some of the minor features around the Eversolo make sharing music with my girlfriend just so much easier and accessible for both of us. Very minor things like having the large display displaying the time of day - I can see it without my glasses! After hooking it up we just put on Radio Paradise and played backgammon and enjoyed music without worrying about what to put on next or the chromecast dropping off.

 

Using the eversolo remote to pause streaming or skip tracks was a breath of fresh air and being able to use both of our phones to control the unit was also great. 
 

It’s really nice to be able to stream Tidal and RP at full quality. 
 

SQ wise there has been a minor increase in dynamic range where the highs are low just feel a bit less strained. It’s almost certainly placebo and I’m struggling to not fall into the typical audiophile tropes when describing things that may well be completely placebo. It definitely does not sound worse and almost certainly sounds 5-10% cleaner, clearer and lighter. 
 

The biggest improvement in sound was adding the P422 - it totally brought the KEFs to life and now the Eversolo has just made it so appealing to just play music and enjoy the system. I’m at the peak of reasonable upgrades until I am able to treat the room.
 

Very happy. Thanks for all the advice!