HOT RODDED TECHNICS SL 1200 11

[ray4410]

 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2024 by ray4410

[cafe latte]

5 hours ago, ray4410 said:

ORIGIN LIVE ENCOUNTER ARM
DYNAVECTOR D17 MK3
ORIGIN LIVE RCA CABLE
C15 IEC POWER INLET 
FUNK FIRM ACHROMAT
ISONODE SUSPENSION FOOTERS
SOUNDED AWESOME 

 

 

I would not have replaced the stock arm with a modded Rega, IMO modding the stock arm you end up with far better than the modded Rega.

Nice table though.

Chris

[MTL]

21 minutes ago, cafe latte said:

modded Rega

I thought Origin made their own arms and  that they modify Rega’s _you’re suggesting that the Encounter is a modded Rega seems to be inaccurate ?

[cafe latte]

15 hours ago, MTL said:

I thought Origin made their own arms and  that they modify Rega’s _you’re suggesting that the Encounter is a modded Rega seems to be inaccurate ?

Have a look at a Rega and an Origin and tell me the Origin is not a modded Rega.

Chris

[cafe latte]

15 hours ago, MTL said:

I thought Origin made their own arms and  that they modify Rega’s _you’re suggesting that the Encounter is a modded Rega seems to be inaccurate ?

They even mention Rega in the write up. They have changed many things but it is a highly modded Rega.

Technics arms have one of the lowest friction bearing out there. Rewired and internally damped and add a oil damper you get an excellent arm very cheaply 

[ENIGMA]

I have an Origin Live encounter arm.

 

Whilst the arm mount is the same its not a Rega arm or a modded Rega arm.

 

Now have a look at a Michell Audio arm and it will be a similar discussion.

[ray4410]

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Edited April 24, 2024 by ray4410

[klm]

Not worried about the arm, excellent though it is. I just want the last 2 numbers of the phone listing on the stubbie holder and whether you recommended the “ mild or wild” version.

[ENIGMA]

5 hours ago, klm said:

Not worried about the arm, excellent though it is. I just want the last 2 numbers of the phone listing on the stubbie holder and whether you recommended the “ mild or wild” version.

I could do with some paint stripper - never used wild before.

[sir sanders zingmore]

On 23/04/2024 at 10:27 AM, ray4410 said:

ORIGIN LIVE ENCOUNTER ARM
DYNAVECTOR D17 MK3
ORIGIN LIVE RCA CABLE
C15 IEC POWER INLET 
FUNK FIRM ACHROMAT
ISONODE SUSPENSION FOOTERS
SOUNDED AWESOME 
 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, ray4410 said:

I SUGGEST YOU DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE COMMENTING ON SOMETHING YOU KNOW LITTLE ABOUT
THE ARM IS AN ORIGIN LIVE ENCOUNTER NOTHING TO DO WITH REGA AND IS ALSO A MUCH BETTER UPGRADE OVER THE ORIGINAL TECHNICS ARM OR ANY REGA ARM. 

 

 @ray4410, maybe turns caps lock off

 

[cafe latte]

22 hours ago, ray4410 said:

I SUGGEST YOU DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE COMMENTING ON SOMETHING YOU KNOW LITTLE ABOUT
THE ARM IS AN ORIGIN LIVE ENCOUNTER NOTHING TO DO WITH REGA AND IS ALSO A MUCH BETTER UPGRADE OVER THE ORIGINAL TECHNICS ARM OR ANY REGA ARM. 

Capitals are considered shouting.

Origin actually mention Rega in the arm write up.

I am sure it is a good arm, I am not putting the Origin arm down not my intentionat all this is just a discussion.

I will say this, what is the bearing friction of the Origin arm, do they publish it?

Is it internally damped or oil damped?

Does the anti skate vary over the record like the skate force does?

It does on a Technics arm, also the Technics bearings are one of thr lowest friction bearing out there so it is highly unlikely the Orign is better in this respect.

With older sl1200mk2 people felt the need to swap out the arm as a must do, but this habit has died out mostly with the new G and that arm is the same apart thr magnesium arm tube which has better damping that the old tube. Tested the new arm measures excellently and sonically too, add internal damping to a old sl1200mk2 arm and it is better damped than the undamped magnesium one, then add a Kab oil damper and it will exceed many arms people swap Technics arms for.

A common arm swap used to be a Jelco arms, amusingly they had a bearing friction on 25mg and the Technics is 7mg. In other respects they were similar apart the oil damping which can be added to the Technics cheaply.

S shaped was not fashionable in USA or the UK and Australia, but in Japan it was. One of the best arms ever made S shaped or otherwise was the EPA 100. It is well damped and highly stiff with bearing friction so low if you float the arm just breathing moves the arm it is unbelievable to see.

Chris

Edited April 24, 2024 by cafe latte

[cafe latte]

12 hours ago, sir sanders zingmore said:

 

 

 @ray4410, maybe turns caps lock off

 

I agree

[cafe latte]

I am not putting any arm or brand down, as much as I would never put the above mentioned Jelco on a Technics as it makes little sense, I have a 12 inch Jelco on my Commonwealth as it is a good arm.

All I am saying is it is really common to replace Technics arms with a side step rather than a real upgrade.

Falling weight is constant bias force over thr record, but skate force is not constant over the record it varies.

The only arm where it is correct all thr time is a linear tracker but they present other issues. The Techics arm uses the spring method so thr force changes as the record plays as the arm move so the force is correct more of the time, but it does not beat a linear in this respect.

The OP has made a lovely turntable which will sound stunning and he should be proud. All I am saying is I would have approached the arm mod differently.

The Kab external psu is also well worth doing.

Love my sl1200mk2. I have four SP10MK2s and a G among other tables but I will never sell my sl1200mk2 ( lightly modded).

Chris

[cafe latte]

Reading up on the Origin I admit it does have nice bearing so friction may be low, curious what the friction is as they don't publish it.

Chris

[Grimmie]

dAMN! i MISSED SEEING YOUR tt BY 2 MINS @ray4410 i GUESS YOU SCRUBBED 'EM DUE TO THE WAY YOUR THREAD HAD BEEN CAR CRASHED, OR MAYBE JUST RE-TYPING DUE TO ACCIDENTAL CAPS LOCK.

 

Ooops!

[cafe latte]

The OP has a great table.

To the OP the psu mod is well worth doing, Kevin's has a strobe disable which he says reduces injected noise. It definitely makes a worthwhile difference.

The feet you have to are far better than the originals.

Chris

[SonicArt]

On 24/04/2024 at 7:29 AM, cafe latte said:

They even mention Rega in the write up. They have changed many things but it is a highly modded Rega.

No it's not,  all OL arms are designed and built in house,  it's been many many years since they used any part of a Rega arm. 

The Encounter is the first of the higher end models with dual pivot needles in the vertical plane,  it doesn't have bearings it's like a unipivot only it's not

I would imagine the friction level would be extremely low,  but I don't think it's a spec to be fixated on, there is a lot more to an arm than low friction bearings. OL has spent many years working on resonance control from the headshell right through to the new mk4 advanced end stub design and CW connection.

The new strata mat and the Gravity puck also show their resonance control ideas at work.

[cafe latte]

11 hours ago, SonicArt said:

No it's not,  all OL arms are designed and built in house,  it's been many many years since they used any part of a Rega arm. 

The Encounter is the first of the higher end models with dual pivot needles in the vertical plane,  it doesn't have bearings it's like a unipivot only it's not

I would imagine the friction level would be extremely low,  but I don't think it's a spec to be fixated on, there is a lot more to an arm than low friction bearings. OL has spent many years working on resonance control from the headshell right through to the new mk4 advanced end stub design and CW connection.

The new strata mat and the Gravity puck also show their resonance control ideas at work.

Yes I later read about the bearings they do look very interesting.

It is true arm bearing friction is not the whole story, but low friction is one thing that you need for a good arm of course the rest must be right.

Not a fan of falling weight bias as it is constant, but the rest looks great. I wonder if the arm tube is damped? It did not say in the write up.

Chris

[Guest Moon 600i V2]

I don't know when Origin Live revamped their tonearm lineup but they have not produced a modified Rega arm in years. If they did, it would have been in the running for my P8. I chose to install an RB3000 instead. It is just easier because of dust cover clearance and my experience setting up Rega arms.  Just because a tonearm shares the mounting architecture doesn't make it the same. It is only for convenience in mounting on Rega decks. A Rega mount adapter for an SME doesn't make the arm on the deck an SME or vice versa. Comments about the quality of Rega arms are up to the individual and should be regarded as an opinion rather than a fact. I have a friend with an Encounter on a Avid Volvere and he loves it. I have no idea if a Rega or Origin Live arm would be an upgrade to a Technics table so I shall remain mute on the subject.

Edited April 30, 2024 by Moon 600i V2

[SonicArt]

On 27/04/2024 at 9:00 AM, cafe latte said:

I wonder if the arm tube is damped? It did not say in the write up.

OL arm tubes have evolved hugely over the years,  they use material type, connections and dimensional changes to control and dissipate the resonance coming up the arm. 

I don't believe he is using any sort of fill in the arm tube,  I am sure he would have experimented with it as he puts a lot of time into every section of each product, this has been evident over the last 2 decades with their product range in general. 

[cafe latte]

25 minutes ago, SonicArt said:

OL arm tubes have evolved hugely over the years,  they use material type, connections and dimensional changes to control and dissipate the resonance coming up the arm. 

I don't believe he is using any sort of fill in the arm tube,  I am sure he would have experimented with it as he puts a lot of time into every section of each product, this has been evident over the last 2 decades with their product range in general. 

You can't beat good damping though so I would imagine it is present, but surprised they did not say what it was.

Chris

[Guest Moon 600i V2]

13 hours ago, cafe latte said:

You can't beat good damping though so I would imagine it is present, but surprised they did not say what it was.

Chris

As the OL arms go up in series the arm tubes graduate from aluminum to mixed material for damping as stated on the website. There are also videos on the subject. Michell damp their arms with fill. Acoustic Signature and Audiomods use the same methodology as Origin Live by mixing materials for the arm tube. Reed lets you choose which wood you want for the tonearm wand based on mass/damping. Same problem with vibration travelling along the tonearm with multiple solutions. Even mousetraps can vary.

Edited May 1, 2024 by Moon 600i V2

[SonicArt]

Michell are Rega arms in their entirety for the first two models from what I can see, then the top model they strip and blast the tube and drill holes in it, stuff it with white foam?

The base appears to be RB220, maybe with the alloy bearing tube and 3 point mount from the RB600, hard to tell. Personally I dont like the plastic bearings though.

Edited April 30, 2024 by SonicArt