NEW JVC DLA NZ800 and DLA NZ900 Projectors

[betty boop]

11 minutes ago, j19801110 said:

Now everything just works without too much of a delay, and the image quality is stunning - SDR or HDR. 
 

8K upscaling is great on the unit so your Xbox One X will look excellent. Loved that console! 

thats great to hear ! that all works great with gaming .. will give that a go sometime... 

 

watched first full movie last night ...

 

Ghost in Shell on 4k uhd blu-ray, came up an absolute treat.. very colourful and quite a lot of dark and night scenes the nz800 handled very well.

 

 

 

 

 

one thing i noticed with previous tests and with this movie... how good the balanced laser dimming works... yep we get  FADE TO BLACK ! ... was suprised to see it  oh wow ! its an amazing feeling that absence of light ... sitting in the darkness...and the balanced setting works very well for this. at the end with the titles... no pumping there either .. which some projectors do struggle with if can fade to black..no doubt with the nz800 being able to switch off the laser completely helps here.

 

one often mentioned benefit of laser.. as in instant turn on ...off .. hasnt been something ive really noticed to be honest...if the boot up of the nz800 is faster than the n7 i had prior.. its lost on me as usually going around setting up to watch something while pj booting up. same goes with switch off.. havent noticed if its faster as usually few other things doing to shut down

 

upto about 7 hours... 

 

@j19801110 even though i turned film maker mode onto manual .. and took it back to SDR and HDR rather than film maker mode. i do still see it if hit info.. ie gets mention in HDR section ? does film maker mode still get used by default in some ways with the nz800 do you know  ? its definitely not pulling up film maker mode as was doing prior till i popped that in manual ... 

 

[Craigus]

A few comment on my upgrade vs my x9900. I’ve only dialled in correct brightness/contrast to not clip whites or crush blacks.

 

Blacks are significantly better while being brighter (this is with iris wide open; laser @ 46). vs x9000 on low lamp. The nz800 is an order of magnitude sharper.

 

The wide color filter is a bit dim for my 141 scope zoomed at 46 (though probably the same as my x9900 on low without filter). I was going to do some kind of hush box so I can increase as I like extremely low noise floor. I’m running without right now.

 

I’m still using my lumagen for tone mapping, so I’ve not tried built in tone mapping yet. Will probably try it out of curiousity. Can use full panel with lumagen though

 

I’m super impressed so far.

[betty boop]

checked out Aeon Flux last night on blu-ray, lovely movie.. heaps of fade to blacks  very colourful and punchy looking movie... 

 

 

 

 

 

[j19801110]

On 27/11/2024 at 11:32 PM, betty boop said:

thats great to hear ! that all works great with gaming .. will give that a go sometime... 

 

watched first full movie last night ...

 

Ghost in Shell on 4k uhd blu-ray, came up an absolute treat.. very colourful and quite a lot of dark and night scenes the nz800 handled very well.

 

 

 

 

 

one thing i noticed with previous tests and with this movie... how good the balanced laser dimming works... yep we get  FADE TO BLACK ! ... was suprised to see it  oh wow ! its an amazing feeling that absence of light ... sitting in the darkness...and the balanced setting works very well for this. at the end with the titles... no pumping there either .. which some projectors do struggle with if can fade to black..no doubt with the nz800 being able to switch off the laser completely helps here.

 

one often mentioned benefit of laser.. as in instant turn on ...off .. hasnt been something ive really noticed to be honest...if the boot up of the nz800 is faster than the n7 i had prior.. its lost on me as usually going around setting up to watch something while pj booting up. same goes with switch off.. havent noticed if its faster as usually few other things doing to shut down

 

upto about 7 hours... 

 

@j19801110 even though i turned film maker mode onto manual .. and took it back to SDR and HDR rather than film maker mode. i do still see it if hit info.. ie gets mention in HDR section ? does film maker mode still get used by default in some ways with the nz800 do you know  ? its definitely not pulling up film maker mode as was doing prior till i popped that in manual ... 

 

The Filmmaker Mode flag still gets transmitted in the content as a meta-data which the NZ800 picks up and tells you. But it will not switch if you put it to manual. Yes, I know, it's a bit confusing.

 

Yes, balanced laser dimming works really well. The only time I use High laser dimming mode is for gaming when I need maximum light output. It works well for that. But I find High on movies a bit distracting. Interestingly, the NZ700 worked really well with it, so not sure if they tweaked it for that, or just the higher APL contrast on that unit. But yes, Balanced dimming on the NZ800 for movies all the way...

 

Stunning pix btw. Glad you're enjoying your units, guys. The NZ800 is a very good projector.

 

[justin priest]

I’ve just ordered my nz800

Super excited….

ill need help with getting it all up & running, including control4 & calibration….

what would be a fair price to ask for my X9500 with around 1400hrs on it…??

[betty boop]

32 minutes ago, justin priest said:

I’ve just ordered my nz800

congrats ! this is definitely the peach in the JVC range i reckon  and they are right in season for the picking  

 

32 minutes ago, justin priest said:

Super excited….

I know that feeling ! i bet you are

 

33 minutes ago, justin priest said:

ill need help with getting it all up & running,

folks here happy to help... i found a lot of helpful stuff in Rolands review...

 

https://simplehomecinema.com/2024/07/03/jvc-nz800-review-a-knockout-blow-for-both-epson-and-sony/

 

based on that and my Nx7 settings i had settled on before, I went for, 

SDR: Natural. BT.709. 6500K color temp. 2.4 gamma - switched Filmmaker mode to manual and off
HDR: Frame Adapt HDR 1, with the Frame by Frame, Auto Wide, and Deep Black On options enabled.

Color profile BT2020 (wide) dont select wide if cant get enough brightness on the screen. Theatre optimiser on. 

 

I have with a light meter, set laser and iris so for SDR running at 15FL(50 nits), HDR running at 30FL(100 nits) on screen.

some other settings,

Balanced setting for Dynamic CTRL for both SDR and HDR
mpc on 2
set my screen size and gain under screen settings
cmd on low

motion enhance low

 

 

52 minutes ago, justin priest said:

including control4 & calibration….

not sure who is out at perth. but there should be a pro calibrator that is there / gets out there ... check the local retailers...

 

52 minutes ago, justin priest said:

what would be a fair price to ask for my X9500 with around 1400hrs on it…??

hard one to say... as some years on.... check here and eBay and like to see what have gone for in the past... 

 

[betty boop]

Nz900(RS4200) review from Phil Jones at Projector reviews  ....

 

https://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/jvc-dla-rs4200-4k-d-ila-laser-projector-review/

 

FINAL IMPRESSIONS

Based on my prior experience with JVC’s flagship projectors, I had high expectations for the RS4200. While the changes to the RS4200 compared to the previous RS4100 (NZ9) are evolutionary and not revolutionary, the additional brightness and refinement to its already class-leading HDR tone mapping are noticeable.

While the DLA-RS4200 includes a better lens delivers 500 lumens more brightness than the DLA-RS3200, it may be difficult for many customers to justify spending an additional $10,000. With a retail price of $25,999.95 is expensive but if you desire the very best, the DLA-RS4200 (DLA-NZ900) is the best projector that JVC has ever produced.

Overall, I was highly impressed with the performance of the DLA-RS4200, it is one of the best home theater projectors on the market today.  Designing an ultimate home theater projection system in a dark space, the JVC DLA-RS4200 is a step above most of the competition. With a retail price of $25,999.95 is expensive but if you desire the very best, the DLA-RS4200 (DLA-NZ900) is the best projector that JVC has ever produced. Any projector the competes with the RS4200 cost the same or more.

While the DLA-RS4200 includes a better lens delivers 500 lumens more brightness than the DLA-RS3200, it may be difficult for many customers to justify spending an additional $10,000. However, its superior optics, high contrast, good brightness, advanced HDR capabilities, and the ability to handle 8K and high frame rate 4K content mean the JVC-DLA-RS4200 will deliver top-tier performance for years to come.

 

PROS 

Ultra High-Quality optics

3300 lumens

Excellent native contrast

Native 4K (4,096 x 2,160) D-ILA devices x 3

8K e-shiftX

Excellent native contrast and black levels

Precise Dynamic HDR Tone Mapping optimizes HDR10 viewing

Support for HDR10+ and HLG

Very good color out of the box (full calibration controls available)

Dual HDMI 2.1 (48Gbps) inputs support 4K@120p and 8K@60p

3D Ready

Optional wireless emitter (PK-EM2) and glasses (PK-AG3)

Installation Mode (9 memories) for non-image settings like digital masking, lens memories, anamorphic stretch modes

3-year parts/labor warranty ( 1 year advanced replacement )

 

Cons

Premium Price may be out of the reach of many customers

High Laser Power mode could be quieter

Large and heavy chassis

[CCRider]

4 hours ago, betty boop said:

Nz900(RS4200) review from Phil Jones at Projector reviews  ....

 

https://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/jvc-dla-rs4200-4k-d-ila-laser-projector-review/

 

FINAL IMPRESSIONS

Based on my prior experience with JVC’s flagship projectors, I had high expectations for the RS4200. While the changes to the RS4200 compared to the previous RS4100 (NZ9) are evolutionary and not revolutionary, the additional brightness and refinement to its already class-leading HDR tone mapping are noticeable.

While the DLA-RS4200 includes a better lens delivers 500 lumens more brightness than the DLA-RS3200, it may be difficult for many customers to justify spending an additional $10,000. With a retail price of $25,999.95 is expensive but if you desire the very best, the DLA-RS4200 (DLA-NZ900) is the best projector that JVC has ever produced.

Overall, I was highly impressed with the performance of the DLA-RS4200, it is one of the best home theater projectors on the market today.  Designing an ultimate home theater projection system in a dark space, the JVC DLA-RS4200 is a step above most of the competition. With a retail price of $25,999.95 is expensive but if you desire the very best, the DLA-RS4200 (DLA-NZ900) is the best projector that JVC has ever produced. Any projector the competes with the RS4200 cost the same or more.

While the DLA-RS4200 includes a better lens delivers 500 lumens more brightness than the DLA-RS3200, it may be difficult for many customers to justify spending an additional $10,000. However, its superior optics, high contrast, good brightness, advanced HDR capabilities, and the ability to handle 8K and high frame rate 4K content mean the JVC-DLA-RS4200 will deliver top-tier performance for years to come.

 

PROS 

Ultra High-Quality optics

3300 lumens

Excellent native contrast

Native 4K (4,096 x 2,160) D-ILA devices x 3

8K e-shiftX

Excellent native contrast and black levels

Precise Dynamic HDR Tone Mapping optimizes HDR10 viewing

Support for HDR10+ and HLG

Very good color out of the box (full calibration controls available)

Dual HDMI 2.1 (48Gbps) inputs support 4K@120p and 8K@60p

3D Ready

Optional wireless emitter (PK-EM2) and glasses (PK-AG3)

Installation Mode (9 memories) for non-image settings like digital masking, lens memories, anamorphic stretch modes

3-year parts/labor warranty ( 1 year advanced replacement )

 

Cons

Premium Price may be out of the reach of many customers

High Laser Power mode could be quieter

Large and heavy chassis

No denying that the 900 is "EL Supremo". 

I am in love with that 100mm lens.

I am seriously considering it as a replacement for my flawless N7 which we have used very sparingly approx 340 original hours from new.

Having said that the 800 is definitely the sweet spot in the range. 

And who knows could be what I end up with.

[j19801110]

53 minutes ago, CCRider said:

No denying that the 900 is "EL Supremo". 

I am in love with that 100mm lens.

I am seriously considering it as a replacement for my flawless N7 which we have used very sparingly approx 340 original hours from new.

Having said that the 800 is definitely the sweet spot in the range. 

And who knows could be what I end up with.

Depends on what you need... the NZ900 has a "high-brightness lens" while the NZ800 has a "high-contrast lens". They both have the same laser power and optical block otherwise.

[CCRider]

1 hour ago, j19801110 said:

Depends on what you need... the NZ900 has a "high-brightness lens" while the NZ800 has a "high-contrast lens". They both have the same laser power and optical block otherwise.

The optics on the 900 would also be superior to the lens on the 800 naturally.

Speak to any photographer or videographer and they will always tell you that (given cet par) the better lens will always produce a "better" image. 

The 800 has the same lens as my N7.

Like I said above I am weighing up my options.

 

[j19801110]

3 minutes ago, CCRider said:

The optics on the 900 would also be superior to the lens on the 800 naturally.

Speak to any photographer or videographer and they will always tell you that (given cet par) the better lens will always produce a "better" image. 

The 800 has the same lens as my N7.

Like I said above I am weighing up my options.

 

Sounds like you have it all figured out. Let us know how you go. 

 

 

[CCRider]

8 minutes ago, j19801110 said:

Sounds like you have it all figured out. Let us know how you go. 

 

 

Will do 

 

Cheers 

Edited December 11, 2024 by CCRider

[wooferocau]

1 hour ago, CCRider said:

The optics on the 900 would also be superior to the lens on the 800 naturally.

 

 

" Theoretically "  Yes........   In the real world  ...  a BIG maybe!! 

[betty boop]

1 hour ago, CCRider said:

The optics on the 900 would also be superior to the lens on the 800 naturally.

Speak to any photographer or videographer and they will always tell you that (given cet par) the better lens will always produce a "better" image. 

The 800 has the same lens as my N7.

Like I said above I am weighing up my options.

definitely without shadow of doubt the best Len’s they have in collection and THE best projector I their line up at moment

 

just comes at a cost …. It if can afford … why not ,,,

[CCRider]

48 minutes ago, betty boop said:

definitely without shadow of doubt the best Len’s they have in collection and THE best projector I their line up at moment

 

just comes at a cost …. It if can afford … why not ,,,

Exactly.....

[betty boop]

45 minutes ago, CCRider said:

Exactly.....

someone on avs self gifted themselves one for christmas !  

[evil c]

10 minutes ago, betty boop said:

someone on avs self gifted themselves one for christmas !  

We are all supreme Santa's al !

[CCRider]

On 11/12/2024 at 7:37 PM, betty boop said:

someone on avs self gifted themselves one for christmas !  

Someone on Stereonet maybe doing that as well

[CCRider]

On 30/11/2024 at 1:00 PM, betty boop said:

checked out Aeon Flux last night on blu-ray, lovely movie.. heaps of fade to blacks  very colourful and punchy looking movie... 

 

 

 

 

 

You are the "Master" of screen shots AL. Looks like  promo photo's for the movie taken from a print.

Edited December 13, 2024 by CCRider

[betty boop]

41 minutes ago, CCRider said:

You are the "Master" of screen shots AL. Looks like  promo photo's for the movie taken from a print.

thank you CC. i do try my best to replicate what am seeing. only spot measure to expose correctly and taken with a 50mm sigma art 1.4 lens from my viewing position with a full frame camera to best replicate what i see. no in camera or post processing done on these apart from crop post.. otherwise its straight out of camera.. the compression that happens here to upload and best camera can capture just means .. believe it or not ! its even better with your own very eyes ! these projectors are astounding !!!

 

[CCRider]

58 minutes ago, betty boop said:

 believe it or not ! its even better with your own very eyes ! these projectors are astounding !!!

 

My empirical observation given AL's quote above brings back my recollection when  when he praised the Marantz AV10 in similar fashion.

 I was on the fence about getting it as I thought it couldn't be that better than my Marantz AV8805. 

AL reassured me that I would be more than impressed with the AV10.

I went and bought it and have literally been impressed with it ever since. 

Every time I use it feels like a new experience. I am literally gob smacked everytime I play a movie using it.

 

So when AL writes "these projectors are astounding !!!" you better believe it!!!!

 

 

Edited December 13, 2024 by CCRider

[betty boop]

3 hours ago, CCRider said:

So when AL writes "these projectors are astounding !!!" you better believe it!!!!

yep continue to be astounded with these new projectors as i have made the ones with the ones prior.

 

in this case i think was a good move to skip a gen with the nz8...this one seems to sort everything that had in the not sure category or not quite there. trying to think now what isnt quite there with the nz800...seems practically  perfect in every way :D 

[betty boop]

Some everyday viewing last few days, carols by candlelight and Silvie Paladino belting it out. Bit starved free to air broadcast but seemed to scrub up ok

 

 

also watching Boxing Day test yesterday, again free to air so limited in quality in some ways. 

 

also in both cases we left the doors on back of room open to kitchen dining area so some light leakage from adjoining room, but because light not direct onto the screen it hasn’t seemed to affect things much. Still plenty colour and pretty punchy in the picture. Love this about JVCs plenty of light and rich pictures with nice decent blacks … like a big plasma or Oled should I say these days  

 

these projectors are fantastic for the movie experience but also handle very well everyday viewing needs

 

look forward to catching some more cricket today

Edited December 26, 2024 by betty boop

[CCRider]

The image looks outstanding Al. Would be even better in the flesh.

You are tempting me badly

[TP1]

On 27/12/2024 at 7:14 AM, betty boop said:

free to air so limited in quality in some ways. 

 

The 4k Kayo stream  would do more justice for the PJ. FTA  looks  poor by comparison .