bnc to bnc cable for external clock x 3 50cm or 1m

[mageak]

Extra Info: 

 

i have a bonn gx clock connected to 2 bonn nx  switches and a merging dac 

 

i want to try bnc upgraded cables

 

cheers

[stereo coffee]

2 hours ago, mageak said:

Price Range: 750

Item Condition: used

Extra Info: 

 

i have a bonn gx clock connected to 2 bonn nx  switches and a merging dac 

 

i want to try bnc upgraded cables

 

cheers

Suggest you look for oscilloscope cables, as these are well made for purpose with BNC to BNC in various lengths

[SonicArt]

sent you a msg this morning about cables...

[brodricj]

15 hours ago, mageak said:

Price Range:

...i have a bonn gx clock connected to 2 bonn nx  switches and a merging dac

 

Not knowing what those things are Google lead me to this review:

 

https://twitteringmachines.com/review-silent-angel-bonn-nx-network-switch-genesis-gx-word-clock/

 

Very interesting. My take on it comes down to the clock cable used, which I don't think is mentioned in the review. If you're looking to spend $750 on three clock cables I suspect you're going to be disappointed. Spend $3000 on one clock cable and then you start cooking with gas. Anything less you're just trying to light wet matches in a howling gale. But worth the experiment.

[stereo coffee]

9 hours ago, brodricj said:

 

Not knowing what those things are Google lead me to this review:

 

https://twitteringmachines.com/review-silent-angel-bonn-nx-network-switch-genesis-gx-word-clock/

 

Very interesting. My take on it comes down to the clock cable used, which I don't think is mentioned in the review. If you're looking to spend $750 on three clock cables I suspect you're going to be disappointed. Spend $3000 on one clock cable and then you start cooking with gas. Anything less you're just trying to light wet matches in a howling gale. But worth the experiment.

They should be no more than $18.00 each , just follow the advice provided here:

 

22 hours ago, stereo coffee said:

Suggest you look for oscilloscope cables, as these are well made for purpose with BNC to BNC in various lengths

 

[brodricj]

The reviewer was probably using $18 oscilloscope cables which is why the review of the silent angel is what it was. I have a hunch if he was using the Shunyata clock cable the review outcome would be totally different.

[stereo coffee]

3 hours ago, brodricj said:

The reviewer was probably using $18 oscilloscope cables which is why the review of the silent angel is what it was. I have a hunch if he was using the Shunyata clock cable the review outcome would be totally different.

Likely favoring the $18.00 cable, that the reviewer was probably not aware of. It's not the price at all, that makes one cable vs another, better, rather its that oscilloscope cables are designed fit for exacting and demanding purpose, They unlike most others, they rigidly comply with 169 years of research and 154 years of application.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_line

 

BNC connections represent ability to use either 75 ohm or 50 ohm types, where the connector matches to the cable. I looked up a perfect example,  for $16.85 using 50 ohm BNC and RG 58 cable ,  for 75 ohm you would use RG59 and 75 ohm BNC's 

 

 

[brodricj]

If you did a blind test of 10 people doing A/B of two cables, and 9 people said cable A sounded better, and 1 person said cable B sounded better, all 10 people are correct. As far as I'm concerned the generic Radio Shack (or whatever) BNC cables do not sound anywhere near as good as the higher priced cables such as Acrolink or Shunyata. I satisfied myself of that before buying another two (expensive) Shunyata BNC cables. At $3K each the $9K investment for three of them brought considerable improvement well worth the price of entry.

[stereo coffee]

17 minutes ago, brodricj said:

If you did a blind test of 10 people doing A/B of two cables, and 9 people said cable A sounded better, and 1 person said cable B sounded better, all 10 people are correct. As far as I'm concerned the generic Radio Shack (or whatever) BNC cables do not sound anywhere near as good as the higher priced cables such as Acrolink or Shunyata. I satisfied myself of that before buying another two (expensive) Shunyata BNC cables. At $3K each the $9K investment for three of them brought considerable improvement well worth the price of entry.

Observing you are qualifying something as it appears as better, principally using price again as the criteria, rather than offering to pinpoint the causation of  what you subjectively assess as considerable improvement.  What do you think it is  ?

 

Whereas I am revealing that if I entertain to join your argument, that if the BNC to BNC that complies with all the theory for transmission lines, where ever it was retailed  was say $12,000.00 - it would still be the better choice. simply because it offers researched basis to provide for the purpose.  In other words price is not the criteria, and never is where proven purposed  parameters,  are already provided. 

 

See if you can reply without mentioning the manufacturer or their pricing

 

 

 

 

[Neo]

Isn’t this wtb section?

Neo

[stereo coffee]

23 minutes ago, Neo said:

Isn’t this wtb section?

Neo

Yes, adding much needed advice to assist buying well, not related to pricing,  but instead about assisting what matters when considering BNC to BNC cabling and getting the most from them. 

[Neo]

29 minutes ago, stereo coffee said:

Yes, adding much needed advice to assist buying well, not related to pricing,  but instead about assisting what matters when considering BNC to BNC cabling and getting the most from them. 

Why?

 

[stereo coffee]

1 minute ago, Neo said:

Why?

 

Because

 

On 04/05/2024 at 9:29 AM, mageak said:

i want to try bnc upgraded cables

Important to inform upgraded cables are not related to pricing and brand name, by searching instead for oscilloscope BNC to BNC cabling, where known characteristics, needed for this purpose with Clocks DAC's etc  are already provided.   

 

 

[mageak]

thanks guys that wasxquite the read!

 

can i get a link to these oscilloscope cables please. i run purist audio interconnects and speaker cable and various voodoo power cables from mojo to air phoenix.

 

i think where my system is at 750 is a good starting point.

 

cheers

 

brodi i cant afford 3k clock cables atm. if u were in adelaide id love to try them. cheers.

 

sonic i got your message cheers. ive been sick and trying to find a tenant for my house all weekend 

[stereo coffee]

20 minutes ago, mageak said:

thanks guys that wasxquite the read!

 

can i get a link to these oscilloscope cables please. i run purist audio interconnects and speaker cable and various voodoo power cables from mojo to air phoenix.

 

i think where my system is at 750 is a good starting point.

 

cheers

 

brodi i cant afford 3k clock cables atm. if u were in adelaide id love to try them. cheers.

 

sonic i got your message cheers. ive been sick and trying to find a tenant for my house all weekend 

These are BNC to BNC using RG59 ( 75 ohm ) custom made , where you can choose length. 

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/173797620845?   or search term Oscilloscope BNC to BNC RG59.  

 

75 ohm vs 50 ohm, 75 ohm is the standard used for SPDIF , so is likely the better choice to match widely, I see the DAC you use is specified as 75 ohm. 

 

You may be interested in this article I had published in Wireless World, as I see you are making use of a separate word clock with your DAC      https://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/viewpoint/0401/deficienciesofspdif.htm

[brodricj]

4 hours ago, mageak said:

...brodi i cant afford 3k clock cables atm. if u were in adelaide id love to try them. ...

What I'm suggesting is, and knowing what you want to use the cables on, and being mindful of that mediocre review of the bonn, the 750 price point for 3 BNC cables is going to put you in the territory of that mediocre review. What was needed in response to that first review was not for the manufacturer to send the reviewer another bonn unit as a replacement, they needed to send a better clock cable. There was nothing wrong with the first bonn unit, the problem lay in using an oscilloscope BNC cable. Especially an $18 one. The simple truth of the matter is cheap digital cables on quality gear sound cheap in comparison to the higher end cables.  I think your WTB is potentially misguided, but if you want to give it a try no harm done.

[mageak]

 so save and buy one expensive one at a time and dont bother with the mid tier ones? 

 

purist audio neptune bnc?

[brodricj]

AVG have loaner clock cables (I think, as the Shunyata distributor). But there isn't much point borrowing a $3k clock cable if it's not affordable. It may well be that an entry level Shunyata clock cable might do the trick. I would not bother with $18 oscilloscope BNC cables.

[stereo coffee]

3 hours ago, brodricj said:

AVG have loaner clock cables (I think, as the Shunyata distributor). But there isn't much point borrowing a $3k clock cable if it's not affordable. It may well be that an entry level Shunyata clock cable might do the trick. I would not bother with $18 oscilloscope BNC cables.

As we see again price and brand is the only feature being mentioned 

 

3 hours ago, mageak said:

 so save and buy one expensive one at a time and dont bother with the mid tier ones? 

 

purist audio neptune bnc?

You need to ask, bypassing pricing, and comments like " might do the trick " ...... instead  about actual specification features, which matter like this:  https://www.belden.com/products/Cable/Coax-Triax-Cable/RG59-Cable#sort=%40catalogitemwebdisplaypriority ascending&numberOfResults=25.

[brodricj]

Specifications don't matter when you have an opportunity to borrow something to check for yourself if it does the trick. Pricing is important, you can either afford it, or not.

[mageak]

12 hours ago, brodricj said:

What I'm suggesting is, and knowing what you want to use the cables on, and being mindful of that mediocre review of the bonn, the 750 price point for 3 BNC cables is going to put you in the territory of that mediocre review. What was needed in response to that first review was not for the manufacturer to send the reviewer another bonn unit as a replacement, they needed to send a better clock cable. There was nothing wrong with the first bonn unit, the problem lay in using an oscilloscope BNC cable. Especially an $18 one. The simple truth of the matter is cheap digital cables on quality gear sound cheap in comparison to the higher end cables.  I think your WTB is potentially misguided, but if you want to give it a try no harm done.

hi again.

 

i didnt hear that in my system. the switch and clock made things fair bit better. stacking 2 nx with the clock better again.

 

the sound is more rich thick visceral sound. adding better ethernet cable did similar. i imagine clock cables will have the same benefits.

 

more real closer to the music more fun to listen to.

 

that review i dint agree with.

 

he did have vivid audio speakers not sure if they bloomed to much there quiet sweet sounding already.

 

i have magico s5

[brodricj]

6 minutes ago, mageak said:

...he did have vivid audio speakers not sure if they bloomed to much there quiet sweet sounding already.

Yes, that too. I auditioned Vivid with a McIntosh Integrated at a dealer here in Perth and I thought they were rubbish. I just can't comprehend how a dealer might convince a customer to buy the speaker as demonstrated.