Peter_F Posted September 19, 2024 Posted September 19, 2024 On 19/09/2024 at 1:31 AM, Steever said: I know several techs who can service them if the need arises. Expand Probably not if its a software issue as they were unable to resolve it at factory level.
thoglette Posted September 19, 2024 Posted September 19, 2024 On 18/09/2024 at 6:20 PM, rockeater said: It uses the cheapest laser you could get, Sony KSS-213C, so it is either that or the servo capacitors are beginning to fail. If a particular CD does not play when the player is first turned on, but will play after half hour, it is most likely electronic fault with the servo. Expand The issue is that certain CDs (which work in other players) are declared to be "no CD loaded" (or words to that effect). That is, it's been unable to read the CD. So it's either a not-quite-red-book CD, a software flaw or something dicky between laser and chip, with the laser being the one thing that wears out.
J.D. Posted November 11, 2024 Posted November 11, 2024 I'm wondering about a CD player in the $1,000-2,000 range, preferably nearer the lower end. The one I was really interested in was the Yamaha CD-S1000 but I'm aware it has been discontinued. That said, its retail price was above my budget. I looked on eBay and found quite a number of them but they were all 110 volt and I'm not interested in dealing with that. I know there are good options in that category: NAD C568 (Wolfson), Arcam CD5 (Wolfson), Marantz CD6007 (Burr Brown) and Advance Paris X-CD9 (Wolfson). The Advance Paris appears to be just the base model X-CD7 with a couple of valves added and I'm not remotely interested in that. I like the idea of the twin Burr Brown DACs in the Yamaha and the company did the right thing by me a number of years ago when I had one (my brother still has my old unit). All of these units get great reviews, for what that's worth. The trouble with Yamaha is that they have their base model CD-S303 and then there's daylight. The next is over $3,000. Does anyone know or has anyone heard of any possible new mid-range Yamaha CD players in the medium term future? I wouldn't even know where it look.
betty boop Posted November 11, 2024 Posted November 11, 2024 On 11/11/2024 at 12:29 PM, J.D. said: I'm wondering about a CD player in the $1,000-2,000 range, preferably nearer the lower end. ~ Expand dont forget Denon and rotel both also do nice players and should have something in your price bracket ... theres also cambridge audio... 1
rockeater Posted November 11, 2024 Posted November 11, 2024 On 19/09/2024 at 12:41 PM, thoglette said: So it's either a not-quite-red-book CD, a software flaw or something dicky between laser and chip, with the laser being the one thing that wears out. Expand Lasers wear out much less than people think. Mast likely the cause in your unit are aging capacitors in the servo circuit. 2
Irek Posted November 11, 2024 Posted November 11, 2024 On 11/11/2024 at 12:29 PM, J.D. said: Does anyone know or has anyone heard of any possible new mid-range Yamaha CD players in the medium term future? I wouldn't even know where it look. Expand https://search.app?link=https%3A%2F%2Fau.yamaha.com%2Fen%2Fproducts%2Faudio_visual%2Fhifi%2Fcd-c603%2Findex.html&utm_campaign=aga&utm_source=agsadl1%2Csh%2Fx%2Fgs%2Fm2%2F4
HamishC Posted November 11, 2024 Posted November 11, 2024 On 11/11/2024 at 12:29 PM, J.D. said: I'm wondering about a CD player in the $1,000-2,000 range, preferably nearer the lower end. The one I was really interested in was the Yamaha CD-S1000 but I'm aware it has been discontinued. That said, its retail price was above my budget. I looked on eBay and found quite a number of them but they were all 110 volt and I'm not interested in dealing with that. I know there are good options in that category: NAD C568 (Wolfson), Arcam CD5 (Wolfson), Marantz CD6007 (Burr Brown) and Advance Paris X-CD9 (Wolfson). The Advance Paris appears to be just the base model X-CD7 with a couple of valves added and I'm not remotely interested in that. I like the idea of the twin Burr Brown DACs in the Yamaha and the company did the right thing by me a number of years ago when I had one (my brother still has my old unit). All of these units get great reviews, for what that's worth. The trouble with Yamaha is that they have their base model CD-S303 and then there's daylight. The next is over $3,000. Does anyone know or has anyone heard of any possible new mid-range Yamaha CD players in the medium term future? I wouldn't even know where it look. Expand I know the feeling... I went thru a CD hunt for sub-$2000 models recently and ended up with the Rotel DT-6000 (dual sets of ESS9028PRO DACs), solid build, very quiet mechanism and a lovely detailed sound - very happy. I did a comparison with my previous player, the Electrocompaniet PC-1 (also sub-$2k model) below. I was also keen on the Arcam CD5 and the Marantz CD60, but didn't get around to hearing one, and haven't heard a Yamaha for a while, but haven't seen folk with too many issues with them. You might also consider a Denon CDC-1700NE or a Music Fidelity M3S. Enjoy the hunt! 1
BugPowderDust Posted November 12, 2024 Posted November 12, 2024 Given most of us in this game have external DACs, I'd be hunting for a CD transport not a player. The Audiolab 9000CDT is a great option to consider. https://www.audiolab.co.uk/products/9000cdt Run SPDIF from the transport to your DAC and give up your dependency on inbuilt DACs in your CD player. 2
JkSpinner Posted November 12, 2024 Author Posted November 12, 2024 On 11/11/2024 at 12:29 PM, J.D. said: I'm wondering about a CD player in the $1,000-2,000 range Expand Hi JD, when I started this thread, I was on a similar journey, my budget was up to $5k but my preference was around the $2k mark. I ended up with a Marantz SACDn 30, even though I was searching for a simple CD player with balanced output. I luv the sound of the Marantz, however if I had my time again, I would go back to simple and consider the Rotel CD players (there are several), Naim if you can still get them cheap, they pop up in the classifieds occasionally, the cheaper Marantz get good reviews, and most users luv them, the Yamaha CD plays pop up in the classifieds as well. Best of luck with your search, you may find it is difficult to audition a CDP, and even more difficult to take one home to audition. 1
gemini07 Posted November 12, 2024 Posted November 12, 2024 On 12/11/2024 at 12:37 AM, BugPowderDust said: Given most of us in this game have external DACs, I'd be hunting for a CD transport not a player. The Audiolab 9000CDT is a great option to consider. https://www.audiolab.co.uk/products/9000cdt Run SPDIF from the transport to your DAC and give up your dependency on inbuilt DACs in your CD player. Expand This idea has a lot of merit, as the huge range of high quality DACs around allows you to upgrade at your leisure. And there are always excellent opportunities available with second hand gear, especially on SN. I've found that DACs get turned over relatively frequently, with minimal wear / tear, so you can feel reasonably comfortable getting something pretty good for not much outlay or risk. The Audiolab 9000CDT is excellent although the OP wouldn't be getting much change let out of his $2,000 budget.... 1
padde23 Posted November 12, 2024 Posted November 12, 2024 Another option I have been considering without dac: https://audioinfluence.com.au/products/shanling-et3-streaming-cd-player
J.D. Posted November 12, 2024 Posted November 12, 2024 Thanks everyone for your responses. I neglected to mention Rotel. No special reason; I just forgot. The idea of dual DACs in one unit is very appealing and it is for that reason that I was so interested in the Yamaha. As far as I can tell, the Rotel uses dual ESS and the Yamaha uses dual Burr Brown. I'm a lot more familiar with Burr Brown than I am with ESS. That said, it's more a matter of implementation than anything else. I'm a bit old fashioned and creature of habit and I'm not really interested in a separate DAC. I have already experimented with some cheaper ones with mixed results. However, I actually have some faith that CD player manufacturers can make a competent CD player and I would sooner rehearse one component at a time, rather than go down the much more complicated (and more expensive) path of a separate DAC and transport. I should also have mentioned that I mostly listen to classical music, ranging from Gregorian Chant, to pipe organ and symphonic music. I don't listen to opera. I know Rotel and Yamaha come highly recommended for classical and my experience of both gives me no reason to doubt their reputations. I'm just looking for something a little more upmarket than what I've had in the past. I'm not looking for a carousel but thanks for the suggestion. 4
betty boop Posted November 12, 2024 Posted November 12, 2024 i respect have particular reasons for choosing, so not sure if below would suit... but it would be my pick in the 1-2k mark right now.. gosh for many this would be it ... ie end game.. it is that good a player... especially for classical .. with so many sacd releases this not only gives you cd but sacd ability as well... 3 1
Chigurh Posted November 12, 2024 Posted November 12, 2024 There's a very nice Denon in the classifieds at the moment. 1 1
BioBrian Posted November 12, 2024 Posted November 12, 2024 On 12/11/2024 at 12:51 PM, betty boop said: especially for classical .. with so many sacd releases this not only gives you cd but sacd ability as well... Expand But does it really? I've asked this question elsewhere, and am still mystified. I have a couple of dozen SACDs, all of which are 2-layer, meaning either CD 16/44.1 Stereo, or Multichannel hi-res SACD. If the player only outputs 2 channels, with the SACD layer it must be either outputting only the front 2 channels, or making up its own 2-channel downmix? I'm told there are 2-channel SACDs, but I've never seen any. Though my experience is with classical only. (I consider my Denon DVD 3930 to be a legitimate SACD player, as it has the proper 5.1 analogue output RCAs. I now use Oppo 205).
Steff Posted November 12, 2024 Posted November 12, 2024 (edited) On 12/11/2024 at 11:16 PM, BioBrian said: But does it really? I've asked this question elsewhere, and am still mystified. Expand There's a lengthy discussion here: https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/sacd-question-multi-channel-vs-stereo.246038/ In an ideal case the multi-chan will have another SACD layer that is only 2.0 (but as to the bits, read on...) ...here: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/sacd-hybrid-single-layer-stereo-or-multichannel.404343/ and here: https://www.audiogon.com/forum/discussions/can-sacd-s-be-played-in-ony-2-channel-format Edited November 12, 2024 by Steff 1
betty boop Posted November 13, 2024 Posted November 13, 2024 (edited) On 12/11/2024 at 11:16 PM, BioBrian said: But does it really? I've asked this question elsewhere, and am still mystified. I have a couple of dozen SACDs, all of which are 2-layer, meaning either CD 16/44.1 Stereo, or Multichannel hi-res SACD. Expand Hi bio Brian I own many sacd and also few sacd players over the years from marantz, Sony, denon, Luxman also a few universal players that were sacd capable in Cambridge, pioneer, Sony and few oppo’s including now. my primary sacd playback has always been 2ch and in all players I have had I have never had an issue playing a sacd disc. There tends to mostly be 2ch sacd. Some have multichannel layers. if pop any sacd into players like this denon it will play the 2ch layer. So to answer your question … yes it will play sacd if wanting multichannel on players with multi channel analog out you want one of the now ancient Sony sacd(I had one of their best) the truth multichannel analog was a mess. If want to do multichannel sacd properly then need a player like the oppo’s with multichannel out via hdmi. However this is not what I think the op is asking for. As running a 2ch rig … and to access the hdmi out will instead need feed into an av processor that handle multichannel via hdmi. that said sacd is mostly 2ch in my experience so no necessarily worth bothering with multichannel and the denon pointed to will play all sacd in 2ch with analog out as it will all cds Edited November 13, 2024 by betty boop 1
BioBrian Posted November 13, 2024 Posted November 13, 2024 (edited) On 12/11/2024 at 11:26 PM, Steff said: There's a lengthy discussion here: Expand Wow, there's a lot of confusion out there, but those threads are fairly old by now. They confirm for me what I wrote above. As I said, (again, I'm only Classical) I've never come across a 2-channel SACD, and the Multichannel ones I have would default to 16/44.1, if only played in a 2-channel machine, so this is my caution to those who think they are getting something special when they see "SACD" on the box. I can't see the logic in even producing 2-channel SACDs now; it seems to have started initially as a form of saving recordings at a resolution that would deteriorate less than Redbook. The availability of superb quality recordings in the last 5 or so years indicates that 5.0 (or 5.1) is here to stay, and 2.0 SACD is not. On 13/11/2024 at 1:10 AM, betty boop said: if wanting multichannel on players with multi channel analog out you want one of the now ancient Sony sacd(I had one of their best) the truth multichannel analog was a mess. If want to do multichannel sacd properly then need a player like the oppo’s with multichannel out via hdmi. Expand I'm sorry you have come to this, betty. My experience is the opposite - surround SACD (Oppo 205 using discrete RCA outputs and separate amps) is anything but a mess, but of course it does need a bit of attention to set up right. If you output MC music via HDMI, you either need a multichannel DAC (how many people have that?), or live with the compromise of letting a "Receiver" take over control of your hifi experience - no thanks! On 13/11/2024 at 1:10 AM, betty boop said: if pop any sacd into players like this denon it will play the 2ch layer. So to answer your question … yes it will play sacd Expand My concern is that people will do this, unaware of the likely default to the Redbook layer. They are not getting the hi-res they were promised; only CD quality. Enjoy all your 2-channel SACDs though... Edited November 13, 2024 by BioBrian discretion
Steff Posted November 13, 2024 Posted November 13, 2024 (edited) On 13/11/2024 at 2:42 AM, BioBrian said: but those threads are fairly old by now. They confirm for me what I wrote above. As I said, (again, I'm only Classical) I've never come across a 2-channel SACD, and the Multichannel ones I have would default to 16/44.1 Expand Thread age isn't so topical because the tech hasn't changed afaik. The Stereo layer on the SACD is DSD - so that it's like a 1-bit stream going up to 3mhz or something like that... The redbook layer is 16/44 PCM. On my SACD player it will even indicate what it is playing back (PCM or DSD). Edited November 13, 2024 by Steff concision 2
betty boop Posted November 13, 2024 Posted November 13, 2024 (edited) On 13/11/2024 at 2:42 AM, BioBrian said: I'm sorry you have come to this, betty. My experience is the opposite - surround SACD (Oppo 205 using discrete RCA outputs and separate amps) is anything but a mess, but of course it does need a bit of attention to set up right. Expand It 100% mch analog is a mess because I will ask you the question just how many people have high quality mch channel analog pres … they are like unicorns -good ones and take a lot to setup properly. there is also issues with multichannel analog like bass mixing they have to do to not overwhelm the other channels(beyond scope if this discussion). I have used multi channel analogs for years. First was with denon 2900… but it is not what we are talking in this thread. Op is talking cd which is 2ch and sacd will play in the player pointed to deliver excellent 2ch On 13/11/2024 at 2:42 AM, BioBrian said: If you output MC music via HDMI, you either need a multichannel DAC (how many people have that?), or live with the compromise of letting a "Receiver" take over control of your hifi experience - no thanks! Expand Oh you will be surprised just how many devices there are that can handle multichannel over hdmi …. Heaps and heaps it’s not the unicorn of multichannel analog pres. there are budget to mid range to extremely good quality flagship units ! And when get into you will find you can far better setup multichannel in these devices than ever could with multichannel analog pre amps … I’ve long since moved on …….my flagship processor which is built like no other doesn’t even bother with multi channel analogs anymore …for this very reason. You will find folks like me have moved on… On 13/11/2024 at 2:42 AM, BioBrian said: My concern is that people will do this, unaware of the likely default to the Redbook layer. They are not getting the hi-res they were promised; only CD quality. Expand NO not at all .. players I have and had all tell you hires when hires is there and coming through and by default. As I indicated I have owned quite a few sacd player ! On 13/11/2024 at 2:42 AM, BioBrian said: Enjoy all your 2-channel SACDs though... Expand I think you are getting mistaken …the 2ch sacd is available to folk with 2ch system and providing all richness of hires and through these sacd player they can listen to them as they do cds. i don’t miss out on multichannel music by the way… I have multitudes of sources for this …I am format agnostic … I have multichannel music via sacd, dvda, blu-ray, 4k uhd blu-ray (all via my oppo 205 and hdmi) also via streaming sources …accessed via Apple TV however we wee not taking that here we are talking cd players that’s 2ch all I did and someone else did same in a snap moment was suggest what is a brilliant disc spinner in the denon that can play not only cd but also sacd of course in 2ch … I don’t think op ever asked for mch anytime Edited November 13, 2024 by betty boop
rockeater Posted November 13, 2024 Posted November 13, 2024 (edited) On 13/11/2024 at 2:42 AM, BioBrian said: I can't see the logic in even producing 2-channel SACDs now; it seems to have started initially as a form of saving recordings at a resolution that would deteriorate less than Redbook. The availability of superb quality recordings in the last 5 or so years indicates that 5.0 (or 5.1) is here to stay, and 2.0 SACD is not. Expand Firstly, many people do not have the multichannel setups of quality similar to that of their 2 channel setup. Secondly, and what is more important, most worthwhile things have happened in music before the last 5 years, and if one cares about content and not just sound quality, you be left with very little to listen to. In jazz, 60s were a very good period and there wasn't any multichannel recordings of genre then. Current multichannel releases from that period cannot add anything worthwhile to the rear channels. Edited November 13, 2024 by rockeater 1
BioBrian Posted November 13, 2024 Posted November 13, 2024 On 13/11/2024 at 3:08 AM, betty boop said: It 100% mch analog is a mess because I will ask you the question just how many people have high quality mch channel analog pres … they are like unicorns -good ones and take a lot to setup properly. there is also issues with multichannel analog like bass mixing Expand There's much to discuss (if that's the right word) but yeah, this is not the place. Each to their own. I also have a few decades of system building, and swim against the tide quite a lot - I have no expectation of others coming to the same conclusions.
Irek Posted November 14, 2024 Posted November 14, 2024 On 12/11/2024 at 6:56 AM, JkSpinner said: I luv the sound of the Marantz, however if I had my time again, I would go back to simple and consider the Rotel CD players Expand Can I ask what's the non simple thing about that Marantz?
Craigandkim Posted November 20, 2024 Posted November 20, 2024 (edited) On 13/11/2024 at 2:42 AM, BioBrian said: As I said, (again, I'm only Classical) I've never come across a 2-channel SACD, Expand Here are 115 stereo classical SACDs from just the one label - doesn't take much searching to hunt down. https://www.discogs.com/search/?q=esoteric+sacd&type=all&format_exact=Stereo&genre_exact=Classical Regards Edited November 20, 2024 by Craigandkim text
Astrosound Posted November 20, 2024 Posted November 20, 2024 On 01/06/2024 at 2:15 AM, oldrose said: If you need SACD then the lower spec Denon is very good and Melbourne HiFi have it on special at the moment here. If SACD is not required then the Rega Saturn should run for many years with no issues. Expand Rega Saturn (that is why I got it) have sound of violin as violin should sound. Don't have much experience with others. Back up is Denon CD player, but far away from Rega quality.
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