Roon vs Wiim

[doogie44]

On 04/07/2024 at 3:05 PM, wasabijim said:

i was wondering the same, so i "cheated" and asked AI....

Can you ask that AI whether valves or solid state sound better? And then, whether vinyl is better than digital?

 

I am dying to know...

[aussievintage]

46 minutes ago, doogie44 said:

Can you ask that AI whether valves or solid state sound better? And then, whether vinyl is better than digital?

 

I am dying to know...

 

There's a campaign to 'seed' AI with misinformation on these types of subjects, and it's working.     

[MattyW]

2 hours ago, aussievintage said:

 

There's a campaign to 'seed' AI with misinformation on these types of subjects, and it's working.     

I’d expect a fairly mixed response no different to the discussions on this subject. After all what sounds better can only ever be subjective. It can’t currently always be explained by measurements though I hold hope that perhaps one day it will be

Edited August 11, 2024 by MattyW

[Spider27]

Has anyone tried Room Correction function that Wiim recently added for free? I think that it is only iphone app only so could not use that function with my android app.

 

I guess that it is not as sophisticated as 3rd party Dirac or REW but if it does 70~80% of what other stand alone software do then it would be big benefit for most users who could not bother with 3rd party software or skill to use those software with dedicated mic.

[John Williamson]

On 10/8/2024 at 9:48 AM, fjs said:

From what I understand of roon it would appear that some people have a misconception of what it does. It is purely a piece of software that allows one to use one ui to control all their source material and provides excellent metadata and access to useful information about their music. It does not improve or do anything else to sound quality although you can use its internal eq to tailer your music to your taste no different to say the Wiim or bluesound node. It is also likely that some people who use roon buy more expensive equipment which would naturally result in an improvement to sound quality but it’s because of better hardware and not because of roon. I personally do not use roon due to its cost and am quite happy using different ui for different equipment so I use Wiim ui, bluesound ui and lindmann ui depending on what streamer I’m using. If I had roon I could control all of these with roon ui. As a side issue, I have an external hdd attached to my bluesound node, is there anyway that I can adjust settings so that the Wiim pro can see and play the music on that hdd either by settings in the Wiim or node or dlna or something. This is the advantage of roon as I would not have this problem.

I agree with your comments about ROON being mostly an interface which does a brilliant job of integrating multiple sources of music. It’s contribution to sound quality is mostly by “keeping out of the way” which is not so easy I suspect.  I find that the $ ‘s I spent on room treatment achieved far more sound improvement than I would with a moderate upgrade in equipment, including NUCLEUS as a manager of data streams.

Regarding your question about local music data files being accessible via the WIIM app, I readily see my music files held on a Synology NAS. Try connecting your HDD of music data to via USB to your wifi/router. That type of connection could be suitable if you don’t want to fuss with NAS systems.

[fjs]

1 hour ago, John Williamson said:

I agree with your comments about ROON being mostly an interface which does a brilliant job of integrating multiple sources of music. It’s contribution to sound quality is mostly by “keeping out of the way” which is not so easy I suspect.  I find that the $ ‘s I spent on room treatment achieved far more sound improvement than I would with a moderate upgrade in equipment, including NUCLEUS as a manager of data streams.

Regarding your question about local music data files being accessible via the WIIM app, I readily see my music files held on a Synology NAS. Try connecting your HDD of music data to via USB to your wifi/router. That type of connection could be suitable if you don’t want to fuss with NAS systems.

Thanks for the suggestion and I have in the past connected my hdd to my router and it does register on the Wiim as Telstra gateway. The problem I found, and I believe it also happens on a nas drive, is that in this configuration you can’t search by folders of files but only by album, artist, genre and maybe songs which is a big search problem. All my music is in folders with each folder being an artist and within that folder all the albums by that artist. I can remember artists name but never remember album names so if I search by albums I get a whole list of album names but really don’t know who the artist is. If I search by artist names I get many hundreds of names because I have many soundtracks and compilation albums so it all gets a bit untidy. I did come up with a work around by manipulating metadata but its time consuming. If I attach the hdd to my laptop running lms then all is perfect but it’s annoying having to turn my laptop on. This is where roon is perfect because it acts as a server for all devises but it’s money I prefer to spend on other things. I’m thinking of buying the Wiim ultra which has a usb input that way my Wiim pro should see it but not too sure of that either. One other problem I found was the hdd at times kept spinning when not being used so a ssd would be a better option.

[Irek]

On 10/08/2024 at 9:48 AM, fjs said:

" It does not improve or do anything else to sound quality "

Have you ever compare roon against other software??? 

As example, in direct comparison against foobar2000 roon sounds much cleaner , much better instruments separation, more details. The only problem is, it also sounds a little bit too digital/artificial.

Yes, there is a difference in sound quality between foobar2000, roon, audirvana or jriver. 

BTW , I am not using laptop or PC for critical listening. 

[Assisi]

22 minutes ago, Irek said:

The only problem is, it also sounds a little bit too digital/artificial.

Is the matter of the sound outcome being a bit too digital or artificial due to ROON or the streaming components?

John

[wasabijim]

On 11/08/2024 at 8:58 AM, doogie44 said:

Can you ask that AI whether valves or solid state sound better? And then, whether vinyl is better than digital?

 

I am dying to know...

 

you can ask AI all manner of things...  but just like talking with my 6yro boy, it's somewhat of an art how you position your inquires and it's up to you what filters and bias you put on the response  


here, I  went and "AI'ed" it for you (whats the AI equiv to "google" (verb) something for someone else??)

 

 

 

[MattyW]

1 hour ago, wasabijim said:

 

you can ask AI all manner of things...  but just like talking with my 6yro boy, it's somewhat of an art how you position your inquires and it's up to you what filters and bias you put on the response  


here, I  went and "AI'ed" it for you (whats the AI equiv to "google" (verb) something for someone else??)

 

 

 

 

Seems to be a somewhat wise answer actually..... Mind you digital need not be crisp.... Probably the only part I disagree with.

[ViVa]

I suppose the Plexamp with Plex Pass would be in the same league of Stream >| Play anywhere with more AI being added over time.

 

Irrespective, I am addicted to ROON  at home...with TIDAL/Apple Music on the go and sometime cheat and head off to Spotify for a change.