Squeezebox Touch Streaming Failure

[Desap]

Hi Everyone Interested in this

 

I have successfully run two Squeezebox Touch streaming devices in separate systems for many years. I used to be able to operate them from the iPeng app on my iPad and iPhone, but now I can't for some inexplicable reason.

 

I recently upgraded to the new Lyrion Music Server (replacement for Logitech Music Server) and the upgrade went well and as expected on my PC and in my iPad app ipeng.  This worked successfully for about a week. Then it suddenly stopped without notice. 

 

I can however run the Lyrion MS on my PC (browser based) and connect to one of my SBT's in another room, with success but not from iPeng / iPad which says "server not detected". It also can't reliably find my SBT devices. 

 

I've reset everything from PC to router, and uninstalled / reinstalled iPeng but with no success. By the way, both SBT's are recognized on my router setup software.

 

I'm at my wits end trying to solver this apparent Network issue,  to the extent I'm just about ready to chuck the whole SBT streaming.  Even when factory resetting the SBT, it tries to connect to mysqueezebox.com which of course is no longer in existence. 

 

I'm exploring the Wiim streaming as an alternative option.

 

Any suggestions or help would be appreciated.

 

Many Thanks

Des 

[joz]

I’m not sure what’s happened.

A few months ago I’d purchased an Eversolo 8 thingy (after my last SBT lost its coax output)which at first connected to LMS and IPeng.

Then for some reason LMS could not be found again. Like you I’ve been left somewhat traumatised. My SBT and LMS have been a most excellent and easy to use system, but now I’m looking for an alternative.

Now looking for a way to create playlists and have easy access to my Flac files not just streaming services.

[mivarpet]

Hi @Desap.  
 

On your iPad go to Settings > Apps > iPeng and check that “Allow iPeng access to Local Network” is turned on.

 

Also check that Lyrion has the Community Firmware plugin loaded which will push out a firmware update to your SBT which from memory removes the mysqueezebox login.

 

Hope this helps 

Edited Tuesday at 11:12 PM by mivarpet

[Batty]

I have 3 Squeezeboxes, 2 touch and 1 original Slim Devices, when they started playing up after support was discontinued I went down the Eversolo route because of the large touchscreen. I did contemplate the Cambridge Audio, but the screen was quite small. (I'm getting old and my eyes are not too great).

Not quite as user friendly as the touch until I became familiar with the interface, great streamer, no experience with the internal DAC as I use an external DAC.

I fitted an internal 4Tb M.2 drive and added an external CD burner and this enables ripping of my CD collection.

It is android driven so not sure how it would integrate with Apple products. It should in these days of hi tech, but you never know.

 

Hope this helps.

 

P.S.   anyone want to but a SBT ? lol

Edited Wednesday at 06:51 AM by Batty
Added comments.

[Desap]

Thanks everyone for your comments and suggestions.

 

With the help from another forum, I have now solved the issue, and guess what it was?

Windows 11 apparently now makes its ethernet settings, (presumably when updating), to "Public Network" instead of "Private Network". In doing so  my system was no longer able to communicate with the Squeezebox devices and vice versa. Resetting that anomaly in my home network fixed the problem. 

 

Who would have thought. Apparently it is for "security" reasons when one ventures into a restaurant or cafe with their Windows 11 PC, so that others can't detect your network (seems back to front to me). So the effect here in my home environment was that my devices couldn't detect my network, secure though it is.

 

Anyway problem solved. The question now is, do I stick with my currently running, albeit obsolete system, or update / upgrade to something else?

[joz]

If it’s working correctly and I sounding good why change?

Honestly my SBT via my Gustard26 sounded as good as my. Eversolo A8 with the same DAC.

YMMV

[pete_mac]

16 hours ago, Desap said:

 

Anyway problem solved. The question now is, do I stick with my currently running, albeit obsolete system, or update / upgrade to something else?

 

If you are DIY-minded, earlier this year I retired my long-servicing Squeezebox Touch to a casual listening system, and built a Raspberry Pi 5 running the Snakeoil OS and Ubuntu, with Squeezelite and Lyrion Music Server being my player/server of choice, and Ipeng doing the remote control duties.  It essentially operates as a headless (screenless) Squeezebox Touch, but with a clear uptick in sound quality to my ears.

 

Setting up the Rpi 5 and Ubuntu does require some technical aptitude and a willingness to follow/learn some Ubuntu programming commands etc, but I understand that a rework of the Snakeoil WIKI is afoot which should simplify things even further..

 

You'd be up and running for under $200 including all hardware, a nice passive cooling case, and the full Snakeoil OS software.

 

 

 

[aussievintage]

2 hours ago, pete_mac said:

built a Raspberry Pi 5 running the Snakeoil OS and Ubuntu,

 

Quick question as this caught me eye.  Is Snakeoil OS dual booted with Ubuntu OS, or something else? Seems odd to have two different OS' on a small system like a Pi.

[pete_mac]

5 minutes ago, aussievintage said:

 

Quick question as this caught me eye.  Is Snakeoil OS dual booted with Ubuntu OS, or something else? Seems odd to have two different OS' on a small system like a Pi.

 

Snakeoil OS is based on Ubuntu Server with custom built software added on top. There's only one operating system employed.

 

I'm no tech guy though, so best to refer here for further info:

 

Introduction | SnakeoilOS

[aussievintage]

Just now, pete_mac said:

 

Snakeoil OS is based on Ubuntu Server with custom built software added on top. There's only one operating system employed.

 

I'm no tech guy though, so best to refer here for further info:

 

Introduction | SnakeoilOS

 

 

I see, so Snakeoil is not a true linux distribution like I am used to, but is basically a suite of stuff installed on top of Ubuntu.   Now I see why it hasn't been included on the rPi imager tool's list of all the stuff you can install on the sdcard of a Pi (like moOde, picoreplayer,  and Volumio).  That would have made things a lot easier and less messy.

[stereodave]

Snakeoil on a Pi 4B using the Squeezer app on my phone works for me. At least as good as Volumio.

[pete_mac]

1 hour ago, aussievintage said:

 

 

I see, so Snakeoil is not a true linux distribution like I am used to, but is basically a suite of stuff installed on top of Ubuntu.   Now I see why it hasn't been included on the rPi imager tool's list of all the stuff you can install on the sdcard of a Pi (like moOde, picoreplayer,  and Volumio).  That would have made things a lot easier and less messy.

 

I understand that there's an intention to streamline the setup experience, but I'm not across the detail. 

 

I've found it pretty easy to play around with a fair bit of tweakability, along with the option of switching between a number of different music players so you can see if you can hear the difference between different music players. 

[aussievintage]

6 minutes ago, pete_mac said:

 

I understand that there's an intention to streamline the setup experience, but I'm not across the detail. 

 

I've found it pretty easy to play around with a fair bit of tweakability, along with the option of switching between a number of different music players so you can see if you can hear the difference between different music players. 

 

I might give it a try on a spare Pi,  but I don't see, at this point,  what big advantage it has over the things that can be installed quickly with no fuss - such as moOde.   As for players, I have not found anything better than mpd (which moOde/Volumio and others use.

 

One thing that will sell it for me, is the simple ability to automatically retrieve and save artwork into the folder containing the music files.   Hard to find anything that does this?  Does Snakeoil?

[bob_m_54]

26 minutes ago, aussievintage said:

 

I might give it a try on a spare Pi,  but I don't see, at this point,  what big advantage it has over the things that can be installed quickly with no fuss - such as moOde.   As for players, I have not found anything better than mpd (which moOde/Volumio and others use.

 

One thing that will sell it for me, is the simple ability to automatically retrieve and save artwork into the folder containing the music files.   Hard to find anything that does this?  Does Snakeoil?

An obsession for proper tagging does it for me. All my music is systematically tagged and artwork embedded  into the files when I rip them, using EAC to rip, and MediaMonkey for tag editing, folder naming/hierarchy and embedding Artwork.

[pete_mac]

1 hour ago, aussievintage said:

 

I might give it a try on a spare Pi,  but I don't see, at this point,  what big advantage it has over the things that can be installed quickly with no fuss - such as moOde.   As for players, I have not found anything better than mpd (which moOde/Volumio and others use.

 

One thing that will sell it for me, is the simple ability to automatically retrieve and save artwork into the folder containing the music files.   Hard to find anything that does this?  Does Snakeoil?

 

On the first point - sound quality. However, that's subjective so I'll leave it up to the individual to decide if they like how mpd, squeezelite and other players sound though snakeoil vs others. 

 

On the latter point, I don't think so, unless its that's a function of the music player. 

 

[aussievintage]

8 minutes ago, pete_mac said:

how mpd, squeezelite and other players sound though snakeoil vs others

 

I do not see how Snakeoil (or moOde or Volumio) can change the way mpd sounds.  It's mpd doing the playing.

[pete_mac]

3 hours ago, aussievintage said:

 

I do not see how Snakeoil (or moOde or Volumio) can change the way mpd sounds.  It's mpd doing the playing.

The underlying OS and the way it is configured/implemented has an impact in my experience.

 

I’m aware of your views on many of these things from an earlier SnakeOil thread so there’s little value in rehashing it here - best we agree to disagree.