Pjbate Posted Sunday at 08:09 AM Posted Sunday at 08:09 AM I must admit I love Tidal but Spotify just has such a great user experience and wide community. I’ve kept track of the news over the last few years but it’s still just an idea. Anyone else got any intel on when we might see a hifi version that streams lossless to HEOS and other controllers?
rantan Posted Sunday at 08:29 AM Posted Sunday at 08:29 AM Just now, Pjbate said: I must admit I love Tidal but Spotify just has such a great user experience and wide community. I’ve kept track of the news over the last few years but it’s still just an idea. Anyone else got any intel on when we might see a hifi version that streams lossless to HEOS and other controllers? ************I don't stream at all, but I do have the free version on my desk top , to check out albums in which I may be interested.******** With that disclaimer aside, I don't think that Spotify is an any great rush to release the Hi Fi version. Audiophiles probably only make up 5-10% of their customer base and they are doing very nicely thank you. Of course, I don't know the exact subscriber numbers wanting the hi fi version, but I would think that it is less than 10% of the total customer base. Spotify is the everyman/woman service and I know many people , particularly younger members of my immediate and extended family who neither know, ,nor care about audiophilia and consume music via their phones and headphones exclusively. My son has never, ever, purchased any physical media and doesn't seek the last word in fidelity ( although he does buy quite good headphones ) and all the music comes from his phone. This is the customer base in which Spotify has made its name and years of great profits. There is no real money incentive for them to cater for audiophiles no matter how much (as enthusiasts ) may wish it was not so. 5
POV Posted Sunday at 07:51 PM Posted Sunday at 07:51 PM (edited) Spotify has run at a loss for years. and are carrying well over a billion dollars of debt. Last year was the first year they've ever made a profit, but they are still in a precarious financial position. Edited Sunday at 07:52 PM by POV
Pjbate Posted Sunday at 08:07 PM Author Posted Sunday at 08:07 PM Thanks Pov, I never knew that was the case. It’s be a tough market to keep profits especially balancing artist royalties, general operations and development of the platform. I’ll just stick to my 9-5
rantan Posted yesterday at 01:02 AM Posted yesterday at 01:02 AM 5 hours ago, POV said: Spotify has run at a loss for years. and are carrying well over a billion dollars of debt. Last year was the first year they've ever made a profit, but they are still in a precarious financial position. Ok, I stand corrected, but is a hi-fi- subscription going to add anything to their bottom line? It also looks Spotify are following the old axiom about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results (wrongly attributed to Einstein )
Kaynin Posted yesterday at 01:17 AM Posted yesterday at 01:17 AM 10 minutes ago, rantan said: Ok, I stand corrected, but is a hi-fi- subscription going to add anything to their bottom line? It also looks Spotify are following the old axiom about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results (wrongly attributed to Einstein ) They're not interested in hi-fi, that's clear by now. Besides they've missed the boat, Tidal, Qobuz and Apple are too far advanced. Not that they're worried about it, as you say, it's a small market, but it's clear they're not interested. What they do over and over is making changes to "improve". Unfortunately not all changes are improvements, and a key feature that had me as a customer for many years was the radio station algorithm. Sadly these days you hear the same song within 20 minutes. A few years ago I never thought Spotify would be at risk of going under, but these days I see it as a real possibility. Maybe their view of the hi-fi audience is symptomatic of a larger thought process in a flawed business plan. 1
betty boop Posted yesterday at 03:29 AM Posted yesterday at 03:29 AM 2 hours ago, Kaynin said: They're not interested in hi-fi, that's clear by now. Besides they've missed the boat, Tidal, Qobuz and Apple are too far advanced. Not that they're worried about it, as you say, it's a small market, but it's clear they're not interested. not impressed with tidal and have dropped couple of times.. so far sticking with apple as we have it anyways and has a good coverage and quality... ... Qobuz is only viable one will check out at some stage.. but spotify is not even getting a look in given their stance(have only so far checked out few times on casual basis)... 3
Kaynin Posted yesterday at 03:52 AM Posted yesterday at 03:52 AM 19 minutes ago, betty boop said: not impressed with tidal and have dropped couple of times.. so far sticking with apple as we have it anyways and has a good coverage and quality... ... Qobuz is only viable one will check out at some stage.. but spotify is not even getting a look in given their stance(have only so far checked out few times on casual basis)... I'd be highly interested except they don't integrate easily with streamers. I don't want to Airplay my music to a streamer, a Connect feature is required, and that becomes extremely limiting with both Apple and Qobuz.
betty boop Posted yesterday at 04:06 AM Posted yesterday at 04:06 AM 10 minutes ago, Kaynin said: I'd be highly interested except they don't integrate easily with streamers. I don't want to Airplay my music to a streamer, a Connect feature is required, and that becomes extremely limiting with both Apple and Qobuz. apple ? its totally integrated in with the ever solo i have no airplay involved. you actually log into apple music with your apple id and password via the streamer and then it just mirrors the screen to your phone lossless and cd quality to hire res depending on source music... is qobuz the same ? i think naim atleast has that native and am pretty sure i have seen an antipodes running qobuz natively ? happy to know more on that one cd quality is all i am looking for... hires would be nice but lossless is my requirement 1
Kaynin Posted yesterday at 05:11 AM Posted yesterday at 05:11 AM 1 hour ago, betty boop said: apple ? its totally integrated in with the ever solo i have no airplay involved. you actually log into apple music with your apple id and password via the streamer and then it just mirrors the screen to your phone lossless and cd quality to hire res depending on source music... is qobuz the same ? i think naim atleast has that native and am pretty sure i have seen an antipodes running qobuz natively ? happy to know more on that one cd quality is all i am looking for... hires would be nice but lossless is my requirement Yeah I'm aware of the Eversolo doing that, but that's about it. What other streamers have native Apple music? Unlike Tidal Connect, I can't name too many, which is my point. I'm with you, hi-res doesn't float my boat, lossless is the minimum requirement. 2
betty boop Posted yesterday at 05:22 AM Posted yesterday at 05:22 AM 2 minutes ago, Kaynin said: Yeah I'm aware of the Eversolo doing that, but that's about it. What other streamers have native Apple music? also fiio with R7 and s15 but yes definitely limited ... 4 minutes ago, Kaynin said: Unlike Tidal Connect, I can't name too many, which is my point. yeah get you ... problem with tidal... it i found was very limited in catalog.. some albums just not there.. or if there have a song or two and such ...no way am paying that much it costs for such limited support of music... 1
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