almikel Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Hi Darren, will be an interesting session - confirm 1st with Alan if OK, but it would be useful to you to be able to record the combined audio and computer session for you to review later. Possible (I think) using tools like Webex, and use Webex for computer sharing and audio, Skype probably also - problematic if you use a voice call separate from the computer sharing. Alan being an expert on DEQX will fly through the screens and you'll get lost wthin the 1st 2 minutes and let Alan do his thing - which is fine for getting setup, but not great for you understanding what he's done and you being able to tweak later. I've never properly investigated how to capture both the video (ie what's happening on the computer) and the audio (the voice component) of a remote tuning session (other than havng a video camera pointed at the computer screen recording the video on the screen and the audio on the voice call). I think that Webex and Skype may be able to do this - not sure - with the increased use of remote tweaking it's a "Use Case" that Alan from DEQX should consider and be able to suggest how an entire session could be recorded and reviewed later by the end user. Having owned a DEQX for 4 years or so, I still find it takes me a while to work out how to do something I haven't tweaked for a while - having a recorded session I could refer to would be of great value. With the DEQX owner's permission the sessions would be of great value to DEQX also (obviously with a bunch of editing required ). @@artaudio can you comment? cheers Mike Edited August 22, 2015 by almikel
Darren69 Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 Mike, I am paying Al by the hour so I shall 'keep' him until I have plenty of profiles. I doubt I will tweak any setting myself. How awesome it would be to have guys like yourself and Achmea, Shane et al around after it's done, for a listen. 1
tubularbells Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 I have been wondering for a while now whether DEQX is my next logical step towards audio nirvana. Trouble is im confused by the model choices as im just after something I can insert into the tape loop of the Bladelius amp so no need for any fancy filters etc. ....i'm watching this thread with interest...
Darren69 Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 Tubey, you are more than welcome at the Che Daz cave though I realise if isn't really relevant to you, with a different room etc. I reckon you have the best little audio room I have seen. ;D It's just so familiar and cosy looking. 1
almikel Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 Mike, I am paying Al by the hour so I shall 'keep' him until I have plenty of profiles. I doubt I will tweak any setting myself. How awesome it would be to have guys like yourself and Achmea, Shane et al around after it's done, for a listen. because you're paying Alan by the hour, wouldn't it be great to be able to record and playback the session, including getting follow up advice from SNA regarding " I didn't get this bit, what did Alan mean"...or, "Alan set this like this, can I tweak it" I'm not suggesting posting the session on Youtube or whatever, just suggesting you would get more from the session if you could review it at your leisure to better understand what Alan is doing.... My point is that remote config is almost the norm these days, and the capability for the user to track and record what the remote support person does "should" be part of that process. Once the technology is sorted, there is no extra time required by Alan once the tweaking session starts. I'd be disappointed, but not surprised, if DEQX can't see the upside in sorting how to record all aspects of a remote config session. DEQX is a tricky product to drive, and I'm sure there's no profit in remote config, just cost recovery or less (Alan feel free to correct me). It would only help DEQX to have a libray of "how to" videos similar to Nyal Mellor's, just better, gleaned from real world or canned "use cases" across the broad functionality of the DEQX. cheers Mike
metal beat Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) I have been wondering for a while now whether DEQX is my next logical step towards audio nirvana. Trouble is im confused by the model choices as im just after something I can insert into the tape loop of the Bladelius amp so no need for any fancy filters etc. ....i'm watching this thread with interest... Just give Alan a call at Deqx HQ and he will tell you what model will best suit your needs. He is the anti salesperson so won't up sell you. Then perhaps go visit the Melb dealer. BTW, you will want the filters, just because you can . You don't need to use them and having it in your tape loop is perfect. Edited August 22, 2015 by metal beat
Darren69 Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 @@almikel true Mike. I am certainly not dissing your suggestion/point. It's me, not you. Some of this stuff borders close to 'work' and not 'play'. That's what I am juggling. I understand your point, maybe I could discuss this with Alan.
almikel Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 I have been wondering for a while now whether DEQX is my next logical step towards audio nirvana. Trouble is im confused by the model choices as im just after something I can insert into the tape loop of the Bladelius amp so no need for any fancy filters etc. ....i'm watching this thread with interest... Hi TB, My DEQX (HDP3) is the core of my setup (3 way active crossover + pre-amp). I run a 4 way currently, with an analog Xover daisy chained to the high pass output of the DEQX - stereo Redspade PSE144s, stereo sealed Acoustic Elegance TD18s, single Redspade T20 tapped horn subwoofer. I've never listened to a single amp config with a DEQX - it's possible a DEQX corrected passive Xover speaker sounds better than no DEQX - I can't comment and YMMV. I can say that in my setup using my DEQX HDP3 in a tri-amped setup, the DEQX sounded significantly better than the 4th order pro Xoxer I was using previously (LR4) once I'd done the speaker correction and time alignment. In a fully active setup the DEQX is brilliant - and for 3 way (or less) you're in DEQX's sweet spot - DEQX is a challenge for 4 way or beyond. For single amp I have no idea of the value proposition of a DEQX - there's many other products that can do room correction. In my case using DEQX for pre-amp + speaker correction + time alignment of mains and sub + room correction, the DEQX is awesome. I'll add that the after sales service I've had from DEQX has been amazing, way after the warranty on my unit has expired. cheers Mike
almikel Posted August 22, 2015 Posted August 22, 2015 @@almikel true Mike. I am certainly not dissing your suggestion/point. It's me, not you. Some of this stuff borders close to 'work' and not 'play'. That's what I am juggling. I understand your point, maybe I could discuss this with Alan. ah - now I completely understand that
Darren69 Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Mike, I am paying Al by the hour so I shall 'keep' him until I have plenty of profiles. Guys, an inaccurate statement by myself, Alan advises there is no charge for this service, please note. This is fantastic value considering the time demands it would place on the DEQX guys/girls. 1
aechmea Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 SNIPPING I've never listened to a single amp config with a DEQX - it's possible a DEQX corrected passive Xover speaker sounds better than no DEQX - I can't comment and YMMV. For single amp I have no idea of the value proposition of a DEQX - there's many other products that can do room correction. I use single amp ATM since there is no way other than major speaker surgery to bi/tri-amp mine. It works really well, because you can still do the amplitude and phase/group delay corrections on the speaker without actually needing to do the active XOs stuff. What I notice most is that any etching and edginess is eliminated.
aechmea Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Well, @@Darren69, we are all waiting with bated breath for the big event. I have a box full of answers here that I can draw on randomly, I just hope that you ask the right questions, in the right order. 1
Guest Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 In case you missed it (as I did) and you're in the area, you might want to check out this offer: http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/index.php?/topic/87322-gtg-at-art-audios-den-saturday-29-august/ Alan himself is offering to host a small GTG this Saturday featuring / showcasing DEQX. If there's ever been a better time to pick his brain ......
Darren69 Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Well, @@Darren69, we are all waiting with bated breath for the big event. I have a box full of answers here that I can draw on randomly, I just hope that you ask the right questions, in the right order. haha, you're alluding to that 'hindsight' thing aren't you? Thu week is go, the 3rd Sep .
Darren69 Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Well a very interesting morning with poor Alan slaving away for a good two hours! He performed all of the correction and crossover stuff and created four profiles which all depend on the recording quality/mastering before an end result meets your ears, no surprises there. I need to listen to alot more music before getting an accurate idea of what is happening across the profiles. Just scratching the tip of the iceberg, methinks. The support from DEQX once you on a product is second to none, I certainly know that now. 2
legend Posted September 5, 2015 Posted September 5, 2015 My thoughts on Alan's system that was heard at his GTG are given at http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/index.php?/topic/87322-gtg-at-art-audios-den-saturday-29-august/?p=1435127 1
Darren69 Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 Am favouring the DEQX set on crossover/delay correction only and letting the speakers and subs and recording do their things, warts and all and it's fantastic. I must say I am quite impressed by the DACS in the HDP4, very polished IMO. 2
Satanica Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Am favouring the DEQX set on crossover/delay correction only... Hi, you favour this configuration as opposed to what? Edited September 10, 2015 by Satanica
Darren69 Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 The other profiles are 'best room measurement', 'speaker integration but replicating native speaker measurements', 'speaker integration but replicating native speaker measurements with a bit of extra bass to the subs'. Of course, what profile gets selected does depend on the given recording but the previously mentioned one seems to be the one I go back to more often than not.
gat474 Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 On the back of my WTB DEQX thread I have a couple of questions for current model DEQX users. I'm a digital and vinyl user and moved from my HDP-3 as I found that the analogue to digital conversion took quite a bit out of the music. Digital was good but as I was moving more towards vinyl I tried out a normal pre and passive version of my speakers and found that although the well controlled bass was less controlled the music had all of that vinyl analogue magic I'd heard in other's systems. My questions are these: Do users of current DEQX models find that the analogue to digital conversion takes anything from the source material? How do uses find the current model DEQX unit's internal DAC and compared to other DAC's? Thanks in advance.
aechmea Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 On the back of my WTB DEQX thread I have a couple of questions for current model DEQX users. I'm a digital and vinyl user and moved from my HDP-3 as I found that the analogue to digital conversion took quite a bit out of the music. Digital was good but as I was moving more towards vinyl I tried out a normal pre and passive version of my speakers and found that although the well controlled bass was less controlled the music had all of that vinyl analogue magic I'd heard in other's systems. My questions are these: Do users of current DEQX models find that the analogue to digital conversion takes anything from the source material? How do uses find the current model DEQX unit's internal DAC and compared to other DAC's? Thanks in advance. I only do digital so I have no idea re A => D. I recall at the time that the HDP4 DACs sounded better than the HDP3, but that was a while ago. I reckon that the PS Audio Directstream DAC is a bit better again (transparency in the vocal ranges), but, so it should be for $8K. For me the HDP4 is perfectly good as a DAC and I would only do the PS-A, MSB, dCS sort of thing for that final 1%, if there is improvement there at all. I should re-cable the PSA DS out of the way and see what it is like again with the in-built DEQX DACs, but that requires hands and knees and mirrors behind the (immoveable) rack - one day, maybe.
Satanica Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 The other profiles are 'best room measurement', 'speaker integration but replicating native speaker measurements', 'speaker integration but replicating native speaker measurements with a bit of extra bass to the subs'. Of course, what profile gets selected does depend on the given recording but the previously mentioned one seems to be the one I go back to more often than not. So your favourite one for most of the time is the one that has a crossover set, time/delay alignment, but no EQ? 1
Satanica Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 So far, yes. I don't know about you but I've got some enormous humps in my room. Like 15db and it only makes sense to me to give em a bit of a nip and tuck.
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