Addicted to music Posted February 22 Posted February 22 @rantan was at Prahran today checking out apartments, the one we checked out had a japanese resturant that only had 2 main courses on the menu with mulitple side dishes and add ons. The boss was feeling a bit hungry and saw this resturant was ful of people, decided to go and sit down to see what the fuss was about. Then we notice the charges, wk/end charge, cashless charge etc etc...and then got told we are allowed less than a hour. Little did i knew the pork steak was twice the size and it was so tender and jucy its one of the best value meals id ever tasted, well worth the money even if we had to pay surcharges
Addicted to music Posted February 22 Posted February 22 4 minutes ago, audiofeline said: Yes, I'm aware of that style. I was trying to do the ethical thing, it seems that they didn't care about ethics. Ive actually seen your situation get executed, they get a number of staffs as witnesses, you get told you are no longer required and then get escorted of the premises and they will either get someone to take you home or give you a taxi vouchure. At the same time all your electronic accesses are disabled... Ive also seen a standard letter to say why you were terminated as a standard response, and its acutally used on redundencies, they dont care, they get told how many has to go and the manager or supervisor makes the call on the lucky ones. And believe me, the 1st number of redundancy batches just before and during covid, these people they let go are the lucky ones, the ones they want hanging onto will have to cover the slack and are been squeezed for blood out of a stone to get the work done. it gets to the point the remaining staff will had enough and they get to a point they no longer care, there health is more important than these micromangers excercising there micromangement skills to the point you have to laugh at the lunacy thants required. A few of my collegues have left and are in better pasture, imagine a workplace that gives you a day off after you driven 4 hrs or more, stay at a hotel with all expenses paid for comeback and get told take tomorrow off! And also get 20% increase in salary......dream job, its a wonder noone leaves. 2
POV Posted February 22 Posted February 22 2 hours ago, betocool said: Can they actually sack you after you've officially resigned? I didn't think that was at all possible... Cheers, Alberto We pay out notice periods more often than not. Only extraordinary circumstances will we let people work their notice periods. On balance in our business it’s simply not worth the risk having people on notice periods. It’s totally legal, and normal in some industries. 1
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 22 Volunteer Posted February 22 29 minutes ago, audiofeline said: Well, it felt like being sacked. Without notice, they had an online meeting and told me that immediately I had to leave, and that all computer access was blocked. They did it in a very abusive blunt cold way, refused to let me say any words, just yelling at me that "it was only a business decision" and terminated the meeting. I see their behaviour as unethical because of the impact on the innocent people that I was trying to ensure were going to be safe after my departure. Not to mention the abusive way they did it is contrary to the organisation's values and standards that my manager claims to uphold. It is also evident that they are taking and intend to use my IP that I had not consented for them to use. Previously my manager had told me that when he had let people go in the past that they had abused him, given what I experienced I could see why. As long as they paid you for your notice period I don't think it is "being sacked". Your contract probably says something about it. Something like "if you resign you need to give 2 weeks notice and we reserve the rate to pay you in lieu of this notice". In every single job I've worked, you are not even allowed back to your desk after you resign. It's straight out the door with a two week paid holiday 4
POV Posted February 22 Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, sir sanders zingmore said: As long as they paid you for your notice period I don't think it is "being sacked" Correct. If a notice period has been paid out you haven’t been terminated.
Volunteer sir sanders zingmore Posted February 22 Volunteer Posted February 22 9 minutes ago, Addicted to music said: I've actually seen your situation get executed, they get a number of staffs as witnesses, you get told you are no longer required and then get escorted of the premises and they will either get someone to take you home or give you a taxi vouchure I don't think that's Audiofeline's situation at all... As I understand it, he resigned. That's very different from being made redundant
POV Posted February 22 Posted February 22 44 minutes ago, audiofeline said: It is also evident that they are taking and intend to use my IP that I had not consented for them to use. This is an interesting one. If it's IP that was developed during the undertaking of business activities that you were paid for, and/or developed on company IT infrastructure it is almost certainly their IP not yours. Folks.....read your employment contracts, and all relevant policy level documents. 3
Addicted to music Posted February 22 Posted February 22 11 minutes ago, sir sanders zingmore said: As long as they paid you for your notice period I don't think it is "being sacked". Your contract probably says something about it. Something like "if you resign you need to give 2 weeks notice and we reserve the rate to pay you in lieu of this notice". In every single job I've worked, you are not even allowed back to your desk after you resign. It's straight out the door with a two week paid holiday Thats how i want to be dealt with, and even if they do keep you, youre not going to be productive are you? 7 minutes ago, sir sanders zingmore said: I don't think that's Audiofeline's situation at all... As I understand it, he resigned. That's very different from being made redundant I understand that, im just giving an example.
Tony M Posted February 22 Posted February 22 Hah! I learned that principle from my father when he ran a rough hotel in Port Adelaide 60 years ago. Staff who quit were often ones who he would've loved to sack, but that was difficult as barmen in that type of pub usually had a loyal following among the customers, who would protest any termination. So, a resignation meant instant payment of all money due including any notice period and immediate vacation of the job. This also left no opportunity for a "change of mind", which wasn't a rare phenomenon. 2
Addicted to music Posted February 22 Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, Tony M said: Hah! I learned that principle from my father when he ran a rough hotel in Port Adelaide 60 years ago. Staff who quit were often ones who he would've loved to sack, but that was difficult as barmen in that type of pub usually had a loyal following among the customers, who would protest any termination. So, a resignation meant instant payment of all money due including any notice period and immediate vacation of the job. This also left no opportunity for a "change of mind", which wasn't a rare phenomenon. What surprises me is customer loyalty, I’ve changed jobs 3 times and every time I get customers tracking me down and changed products. One I told them I was leaving only to walk in there the next week telling them I now work this company. That was 2000, serviced them till 2020 and now I’m in constant contact with there crew via FB. 1
Tony M Posted February 22 Posted February 22 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Addicted to music said: What surprises me is customer loyalty, I’ve changed jobs 3 times and every time I get customers tracking me down and changed products. One I told them I was leaving only to walk in there the next week telling them I now work this company. That was 2000, serviced them till 2020 and now I’m in constant contact with there crew via FB. However, in your case, it wasn't due to slipping them frequent rounds of free drinks, was it? Edited February 22 by Tony M 2
bob_m_54 Posted February 22 Posted February 22 9 hours ago, POV said: We pay out notice periods more often than not. Only extraordinary circumstances will we let people work their notice periods. On balance in our business it’s simply not worth the risk having people on notice periods. It’s totally legal, and normal in some industries. Yes, normally it's standard procedure for most companies. Not saying it would happen @audiofeline s case, but it has been known to happen that employees who resign usually do so because of ill feelings with the company. And that's when there may be a possibility of them committing some sort of sabotage as revenge. It's not a personal thing, just S.O.P. 2
joz Posted February 24 Posted February 24 (edited) On 22/02/2025 at 8:37 PM, audiofeline said: Well, it felt like being sacked. Without notice, they had an online meeting and told me that immediately I had to leave, and that all computer access was blocked. They did it in a very abusive blunt cold way, refused to let me say any words, just yelling at me that "it was only a business decision" and terminated the meeting. I see their behaviour as unethical because of the impact on the innocent people that I was trying to ensure were going to be safe after my departure. Not to mention the abusive way they did it is contrary to the organisation's values and standards that my manager claims to uphold. It is also evident that they are taking and intend to use my IP that I had not consented for them to use. Previously my manager had told me that when he had let people go in the past that they had abused him, given what I experienced I could see why. Happend to an aquaintance only last week, after nearly 20 years one of the companies top sales people was called into the office on Wednesday, Thursday was told to sign a deed of termination, Friday was no longer working there. Same scenario, computer access and company phone disconected after first meeting. Then the company sends out a We're sorry to hear so&so is leaving after nearly 20 years we wish him well" Edited February 24 by joz 1
Honreekea Posted February 24 Posted February 24 On 18/01/2025 at 10:38 PM, sir sanders zingmore said: I know this is the topic for a good whinge-fest but I'm rather pleased to have my Australian passport. I feel very fortunate indeed to be able to live in this country My parents where displaced due to WWII. Options for resettlement were: US, Argentina, France, UK, Germany and Australian..... They chose the furthermost shores! 3
Addicted to music Posted February 24 Posted February 24 8 hours ago, joz said: Happend to an aquaintance only last week, after nearly 20 years one of the companies top sales people was called into the office on Wednesday, Thursday was told to sign a deed of termination, Friday was no longer working there. Same scenario, computer access and company phone disconected after first meeting. Then the company sends out a We're sorry to hear so&so is leaving after nearly 20 years we wish him well" When they ever pull you into the office and ask you to sign, just dont do it! even though they threaten to take some of you benefits away; DO NOT SIGN! 1 1
joz Posted February 24 Posted February 24 6 hours ago, Addicted to music said: When they ever pull you into the office and ask you to sign, just dont do it! even though they threaten to take some of you benefits away; DO NOT SIGN! Exactly correct that’s making you sign under duress, hoping you’ll take less than you entitled too. 2 1
BLAH BLAH Posted February 24 Posted February 24 16 hours ago, Honreekea said: My parents where displaced due to WWII. Options for resettlement were: US, Argentina, France, UK, Germany and Australian..... They chose the furthermost shores! Same as mine... The old man used to joke that he chose Australia over North America because it was always sunny here and that he would only have to buy the wife one dress for Summer rather than two dresses for both Summer and Winter...
bob_m_54 Posted February 25 Posted February 25 23 hours ago, joz said: Happend to an aquaintance only last week, after nearly 20 years one of the companies top sales people was called into the office on Wednesday, Thursday was told to sign a deed of termination, Friday was no longer working there. Same scenario, computer access and company phone disconected after first meeting. Then the company sends out a We're sorry to hear so&so is leaving after nearly 20 years we wish him well" Funny thing when I left the military, exactly the opposite occurred. I handed in my resignation, and the boss started piling work onto me, to get the most value he could before I left. This wasn't a problem of course, as being a Senior NCO, I used my powers of delegation, and handed it off to the Junior NCOs.. I was also expected to "train" my replacement to take over my duties. I gave him a rather large reading list and told him to ring me at the mess, if he had any questions. But not only that I was still expected to fulfill my usual annual obligations, like Duty NCO. I wormed my way out of that one by trading my up coming duty day for a day after I would be retired. (The WOD is probably stilled pissed about that one). Then I got an email to tell me my annual physical fitness test was due, and would be scheduled for the following week. I sent back a one word reply "pass". The Warrant Officer in charge of scheduling the tests honoured me with a personal visit. "What does this mean?" showing me a print of my email reply. "Have you already passed it?" "No, it means I'm going to pass on the fitness test, because I'll be out of the service a week after that" "oh.... OK" with a puzzled look on his face... And off I went to the mess for my morning read of the paper and a cup of coffee. I wise bloke once told me, if you ever wonder how much you'll be missed once you leave your place of employment, do this. Stick your hand in a bucket of water. Then pull it out and see how big a hole is left..... About that much. 5 2
wasabijim Posted February 26 Posted February 26 Just had to cxxl my C/Card after it getting hacked - that cheeses me off.... fortunately I'm pretty sure the bank and Visa will do right by me as seems to be the norm in this space these days the story for those interested.... Last week I take call from a private number (I'm pursuing a new job so new and private numbers had to be accepted) The chap was well spoken but had a distinct Nth London "bahd mahn" accent (if you know you know). He had just my name, the bank and last 4-digits of the card as data points to play with. I was immediately suspicious. He was doing me the favour of reporting and halting some suspect transactions. He tried to probed some of my recent online use of the card and suggests he close the card for me. but.... if that was inconvenient he could block any further online use but leave the card 'physically' active for in-person use. At that point I promptly end the call, get in touch the bank to report and seek advice. No suspect transaction at this point so we agree to leave things as is. Today, I come across several transactions for EasyJet, Blacklane and exchange fees. the first charge is a $0.00 amount. Back on the phone with bank/visa to report and outright cxxl the card and have replaced. My speculation is... my card details were just 1 in a large set of possibly 1000's or more that gets traded within organised crime circles but the quality and utility of the whole data set is questionable. Next it's not hard to set AI to pick through the list and pull into the mix publicly available web-data, but often a final step is to confirm the likelihood of a card being active, either to improve resale value or minimise the hassle of dud cards when trying to use them. The initial call was part of this 'quality assurance' as was that first $0.00 transaction. I found the EasyJet transactions odd, thinking they would flights with this European carrier. wouldn't authorities just nab whoever rocks up to take the flight...?? probably more to it though 1
Addicted to music Posted February 26 Posted February 26 On 24/02/2025 at 2:06 PM, joz said: Happend to an aquaintance only last week, after nearly 20 years one of the companies top sales people was called into the office on Wednesday, Thursday was told to sign a deed of termination, Friday was no longer working there. Same scenario, computer access and company phone disconected after first meeting. Then the company sends out a We're sorry to hear so&so is leaving after nearly 20 years we wish him well" Coming to think of it i posted here a year back. No one wanted to do after hours standby for this new client as the standby rate was $16/hr, you need to be next to your phone from 17:00 to 22:00 for a whole week mon-fri.... SO they forced it onto me and i wasnt happy as the client is over at Breaside and I'm 60-70km on the otherside of melb, so if they call i have to make the journey, fixed the issue and come home only to be at work at 8:30am the following morning. While this arrangement was all good among the 4 doing it, a 5th staff member wanted to come onto the scene. So while i was on holidays in Cairns. I get a SMS saying im no longer needed on the Roster and thats it! What a ***** bastard, the law simply states if you are to rearrange someones shift/roster, you need to get them in and discuss it with them. After pointing out to this individual that hes not following the procedures and he thinks he has every right, I lost it! in the end he rostered me back on as he saw the light of day as the more you roster the better it is in case you have someone falling sick! Had a meeting with him and till this day he still thinks hes within his right to make that decision: over an SMS while the person is on annual leave. FFS some people just dont get it! 1 1
Addicted to music Posted February 26 Posted February 26 4 hours ago, wasabijim said: Just had to cxxl my C/Card after it getting hacked - that cheeses me off.... fortunately I'm pretty sure the bank and Visa will do right by me as seems to be the norm in this space these days the story for those interested.... Last week I take call from a private number (I'm pursuing a new job so new and private numbers had to be accepted) The chap was well spoken but had a distinct Nth London "bahd mahn" accent (if you know you know). He had just my name, the bank and last 4-digits of the card as data points to play with. I was immediately suspicious. He was doing me the favour of reporting and halting some suspect transactions. He tried to probed some of my recent online use of the card and suggests he close the card for me. but.... if that was inconvenient he could block any further online use but leave the card 'physically' active for in-person use. At that point I promptly end the call, get in touch the bank to report and seek advice. No suspect transaction at this point so we agree to leave things as is. Today, I come across several transactions for EasyJet, Blacklane and exchange fees. the first charge is a $0.00 amount. Back on the phone with bank/visa to report and outright cxxl the card and have replaced. My speculation is... my card details were just 1 in a large set of possibly 1000's or more that gets traded within organised crime circles but the quality and utility of the whole data set is questionable. Next it's not hard to set AI to pick through the list and pull into the mix publicly available web-data, but often a final step is to confirm the likelihood of a card being active, either to improve resale value or minimise the hassle of dud cards when trying to use them. The initial call was part of this 'quality assurance' as was that first $0.00 transaction. I found the EasyJet transactions odd, thinking they would flights with this European carrier. wouldn't authorities just nab whoever rocks up to take the flight...?? probably more to it though Do a credit restriction banned on your details with one of the credit organisation like illion. 1
wasabijim Posted February 26 Posted February 26 13 hours ago, Addicted to music said: Do a credit restriction banned on your details with one of the credit organisation like illion. done 1
Ars Paart Posted March 2 Posted March 2 Easiest way to initiate a credit check ban: install the Credit Savvy app. It's a combank thing, but anyone can use it. Create a profile for it. Initiate a credit ban through the app, it will do Illion, Experian and Equifax. The ban will last for one month. After one month, you can extend the ban to 12 months. If you need to lift the ban for any reason you can do it through the app, takes a few days for the ban to be lifted. Then when you're done just request the ban again. 2
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