Guest Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 On 11/11/2014 at 3:24 AM, Cafad said: Hey Mike, have you thought about putting this up on Kickstarter or Indigogo? Crowdfunding seems to be all the rage these days. I suggested this to Mike over a year ago. I reckon it would be a great concept, that would probably be kicked off by StereoNUTTER's alone, but with the added global exposure it could certainly be very successful.
ochremoon Posted November 14, 2014 Posted November 14, 2014 I am interested in the 8" floorstanders. Haven't built speakers yet but have been wanting to have a go for some time.
Lenehan Audio Posted December 11, 2014 Author Posted December 11, 2014 On 11/12/2014 at 4:40 AM, Upfront said: Still no word???? Hi Upfront. No word on what ? The crowd funding suggestion or when we will have the first prototype completed ? The upfront costs of commencing a kit loudspeaker business is significantly less than manufacturing that same loudspeaker as a finished product ready to ship . What costs the money in Loudspeaker manufacturing IS the manufacturing not the cost of the parts. The problems arise when said manufacturer has to control a multiplicity of things like QC , manufacturing schedules,managing delivery times of various parts and knowing just how hard to push subcontractors who may be supplying things like paint finishes etc. With these manifold monitory and time problems impacting significantly on the bottom line I can tell you that by comparison designing and selling kit Loudspeakers is a much less expensive exercise. The initial design cycle is the same ,there will be as much time put into the design of one of our kit loudspeakers as there is in one of our 10K plus retail Loudspeakers . The huge freebee for us is that we don't have to build it ! Ohhh Yeeeeah Baby, you gonna do dat brudda ! We will be able to run on much lower GP/ margins because once we have it all nutted all we do is ship parts. There will be a series of Youtube Video's precisely describing construction , with this real handsome dude tellin ya what Ta do . Well what you reckon ? These loudspeakers will outperform RRP product at around 5 times the price but there will be a bit of work in it Ladds they won't be built like those ones that look like they are made out of Jatz Crackers with the $10 Xovers. Wow can I ever ramble huh ! Anyway it looks like we may have the first stand mount mini monitor up and running early next year with the 8 inch floor stander soon after ! We could do the 8inch floor stander first depending on prospective customer interest Regards Mike Lenehan 5
Addicted to music Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 On 11/12/2014 at 12:39 PM, Lenehan Audio said: Hi Upfront. No word on what ? The crowd funding suggestion or when we will have the first prototype completed ? The upfront costs of commencing a kit loudspeaker business is significantly less than manufacturing that same loudspeaker as a finished product ready to ship . What costs the money in Loudspeaker manufacturing IS the manufacturing not the cost of the parts. The problems arise when said manufacturer has to control a multiplicity of things like QC , manufacturing schedules,managing delivery times of various parts and knowing just how hard to push subcontractors who may be supplying things like paint finishes etc. With these manifold monitory and time problems impacting significantly on the bottom line I can tell you that by comparison designing and selling kit Loudspeakers is a much less expensive exercise. The initial design cycle is the same ,there will be as much time put into the design of one of our kit loudspeakers as there is in one of our 10K plus retail Loudspeakers . The huge freebee for us is that we don't have to build it ! Ohhh Yeeeeah Baby, you gonna do dat brudda ! We will be able to run on much lower GP/ margins because once we have it all nutted all we do is ship parts. There will be a series of Youtube Video's precisely describing construction , with this real handsome dude tellin ya what Ta do . Well what you reckon ? These loudspeakers will outperform RRP product at around 5 times the price but there will be a bit of work in it Ladds they won't be built like those ones that look like they are made out of Jatz Crackers with the $10 Xovers. Wow can I ever ramble huh ! Anyway it looks like we may have the first stand mount mini monitor up and running early next year with the 8 inch floor stander soon after ! We could do the 8inch floor stander first depending on prospective customer interest Regards Mike Lenehan Bring it on......
Guest Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 Floorstander! Already enough monitors / bookshelf speakers kits on the market. 2
dralj Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 Put me down for a pair Mike. I am going to try hanging a TV on the wall tomorrow, if this is a success, the world is my oyster! 2
awty Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 I'm interested in the 8" floor standers. Look forwards to any developments. 1
ochremoon Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 My vote goes to the 8" floorstander first.
ljmac Posted December 11, 2014 Posted December 11, 2014 Just a note to all: Mike does have a habit of underestimating completion times - my ML2 Limiteds with outboard crossovers ended up taking nearly a year longer than originally planned! My original ML2s were only a few months behind schedule though. He's a very busy perfectionist running on very tight margins, so protracted development times are part of the very high value for money deal. Besides, my formal review of the Limiteds is about a year overdue now too - I think I'll make it my new year's resolution.
anfs Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I would say floorstander, but only because I have a thing for speakers with drivers larger than 7"! As stated before, there are almost no floorstanding kits. But if you want first timers to buy it, it would need it to be practically dummy proof (grooves cut in each piece so they all slot togtether, cutouts for drivers already done etc) I say this from my perspective as I have never built a speaker, but would like to try one day esp a floorstanding one. However, mentally, I feel like there is more that could go wrong and need invest in more tools (more clamps, paint for finishing speakers) compared to bookshelves and would buy one if it was as easy as a bookshelf speaker
bhobba Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) I am not in the market for Kit speakers, but I reckon the floor standers are the way to go. They go deeper, you don't need stands which for good ones can cost a bomb, and, generally for Mikes speakers anyway, are more sensitive meaning flea powered valve amps can be used. And if you want to hear what they can do make sure you make to the MT3 GTG - I will bring my heavily upgraded Leak 20 and Rawl99 may bring his that really impressed Mike at the last GTG. Thanks Bill Edited December 12, 2014 by bhobba
ljmac Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 When is the MLT3 GTG planned? Also curious as to what the T stands for (the ML's pretty obvious!).
Jventer Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 On 12/12/2014 at 4:32 AM, ljmac said: When is the MLT3 GTG planned? Also curious as to what the T stands for (the ML's pretty obvious!). Lets have a "competition" to see who can figure it out (the recent GTG attendees are not allowed to participate) What do you think?
Sparkle Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I know what the T stands for and I'm not telling. In Mike's last rant he mentioned 10 cent crossovers and cabinets made from Jatz crackers. What's so wrong with that? The B + W 602s I've been listening to for the last 2 months have these things. I know cos I've checked. I'm so glad that they finally fixed my panels and I can put the B + Ws back in the cupboard where they belong! Mike's DIY Floorstanders sound interesting! Bring it on! 1
blybo Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Floor standers for me too. 6m x 10m room to fill Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Upfront Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 On 11/12/2014 at 12:39 PM, Lenehan Audio said: Hi Upfront. No word on what ? The crowd funding suggestion or when we will have the first prototype completed ? The upfront costs of commencing a kit loudspeaker business is significantly less than manufacturing that same loudspeaker as a finished product ready to ship . What costs the money in Loudspeaker manufacturing IS the manufacturing not the cost of the parts. The problems arise when said manufacturer has to control a multiplicity of things like QC , manufacturing schedules,managing delivery times of various parts and knowing just how hard to push subcontractors who may be supplying things like paint finishes etc. With these manifold monitory and time problems impacting significantly on the bottom line I can tell you that by comparison designing and selling kit Loudspeakers is a much less expensive exercise. The initial design cycle is the same ,there will be as much time put into the design of one of our kit loudspeakers as there is in one of our 10K plus retail Loudspeakers . The huge freebee for us is that we don't have to build it ! Ohhh Yeeeeah Baby, you gonna do dat brudda ! We will be able to run on much lower GP/ margins because once we have it all nutted all we do is ship parts. There will be a series of Youtube Video's precisely describing construction , with this real handsome dude tellin ya what Ta do . Well what you reckon ? These loudspeakers will outperform RRP product at around 5 times the price but there will be a bit of work in it Ladds they won't be built like those ones that look like they are made out of Jatz Crackers with the $10 Xovers. Wow can I ever ramble huh ! Anyway it looks like we may have the first stand mount mini monitor up and running early next year with the 8 inch floor stander soon after ! We could do the 8inch floor stander first depending on prospective customer interest Regards Mike Lenehan What about an 8" bookshelf?
Lenehan Audio Posted December 14, 2014 Author Posted December 14, 2014 Ok. I get the message ! I have narrowed the 8 inch bass driver down to two excellent units. The first I have used many times before and the other is a new unit with a superbly balanced set of ThieleSmall and physical parameters. The high frequency driver is also a duke out between 3 units ! The beauty of choosing drivers for a particular design is that superb drivers are very inexpensive and there's tons of them on the market . Don't fall into the marketing ruse re high end drivers , the best driver is the one that fits in with the requirements of a specific design. I'll talk about the driver selection when it's finalised. Bear in mind that the directive for this loudspeaker is performance first ! No manufacturing funds will be spent on elevating pride of ownership I'm afraid . Like all of the LenehanAudio products most of the funds will be spent on what's inside ! whilst the outside might look a little utilitarian. I'm falling asleep here lads more soon Regards Mike Lenehan 2
Ananth Posted December 14, 2014 Posted December 14, 2014 Floorstanders, please! I'm getting a nice little 300B SET amp from Eric Chan, and a reasonably efficient floorstander would be great. I'm also excited by the idea of putting it together and staining/polishing it myself. 1
blybo Posted December 15, 2014 Posted December 15, 2014 On 14/12/2014 at 2:03 PM, Lenehan Audio said: Bear in mind that the directive for this loudspeaker is performance first ! No manufacturing funds will be spent on elevating pride of ownership I'm afraid . Like all of the LenehanAudio products most of the funds will be spent on what's inside ! whilst the outside might look a little utilitarian. Regards Mike Lenehan Hi Mike, First off, I'm a DIY novice and really appreciate what you are trying to do here. You mentioned the kit enclosure will more than likely be pine, will there also be templates provided if customers wish to use veneered mdf or similar to go with their own more upmarket finish? Also will you recommend a sliding scale of improvements to be made via internal damping materials etc?
Jventer Posted December 15, 2014 Posted December 15, 2014 On 15/12/2014 at 5:18 AM, blybo said: Hi Mike, First off, I'm a DIY novice and really appreciate what you are trying to do here. You mentioned the kit enclosure will more than likely be pine, will there also be templates provided if customers wish to use veneered mdf or similar to go with their own more upmarket finish? Also will you recommend a sliding scale of improvements to be made via internal damping materials etc? If you look at LSK and other kits the finish is left to the builder. While I am no expert I doubt the boxes wouldbe made of pine - too soft, warping etc. Maybe mdf, laminate, composite or whatever. The boxes need to be as rigid as possible. Anyway This is a good question as internally bracing and other methods may provide benefits. Looking forward to the release.
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