Electric Cars Discussion

[MattyW]

Damn, but Atlantis Grey looks good in that photo. I still wish BYD offered the red colour that Atto3 comes with for the Seal though. That would be amazing with the white interior 

[simo8989]

2 hours ago, MattyW said:

Damn, but Atlantis Grey looks good in that photo. I still wish BYD offered the red colour that Atto3 comes with for the Seal though. That would be amazing with the white interior 

The Atlantis Grey looks even better in the flesh, its more of a bluey grey and colour varies depending on the light.

 

Yeah I agree I recon the ATTo 3 Red would look amazing on the Seal, you know what they say Red cars go fster!!!!

[MattyW]

2 hours ago, simo8989 said:

The Atlantis Grey looks even better in the flesh, its more of a bluey grey and colour varies depending on the light.

 

Yeah I agree I recon the ATTo 3 Red would look amazing on the Seal, you know what they say Red cars go fster!!!!

 

Well, the police see them from further away at any rate 

[Addicted to music]

Pole to pole in a Nissan EV

 

https://www.guideautoweb.com/en/articles/73015/modified-nissan-ariya-completes-first-ever-pole-to-pole-ev-expedition/#:~:text=After 10 months and some,a journey through the Americas.&text=“I can't believe we,re at the South Pole.

[Addicted to music]

You buy a 4WD for this kind of Terrain, but no amount of money will buy this guy common sense.   I see this in real life and on line where EV owners push there vehicles into flooded territory……  

 

https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-model-y-driver-mocked-online-after-becoming-bogged-on-nsw-beach/

[bob_m_54]

3 hours ago, Addicted to music said:

You buy a 4WD for this kind of Terrain, but no amount of money will buy this guy common sense.   I see this in real life and on line where EV owners push there vehicles into flooded territory……  

 

https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-model-y-driver-mocked-online-after-becoming-bogged-on-nsw-beach/

That's my local beach. Inappropriate vehicles are always getting stuck there. Here's a couple of examples of some I have winched out.

 

One weekend this one was stuck in the very first part of the entry track.

 

 

The following week these two vehicles were stuck in the same area, with a bit more sand depth.

 

 

 

The problem is, many of these small "SUV"s don't have any easy place to attach a winch.

Edited December 19, 2023 by bob_m_54
forgot to blur number plate

[Addicted to music]

5 hours ago, bob_m_54 said:

That's my local beach. Inappropriate vehicles are always getting stuck there. Here's a couple of examples of some I have winched out.

 

One weekend this one was stuck in the very first part of the entry track.

 

 

The following week these two vehicles were stuck in the same area, with a bit more sand depth.

 

 

 

The problem is, many of these small "SUV"s don't have any easy place to attach a winch.

 

That Tesla in that post is just a RWD.   
 

The Subbie in your 1st pic might have a chance,  could just be because of a “P” plate: inexperience….

The rest is just junk that won’t have a chance even though it’s AWD.   
Most would have just road tyres and not All Terrain, this doesn’t help.  The assumption that just because the vehicle is AWD,  doesn’t mean it’s expected AWD!   Most fail the basics in trying to spin and divert drive to the other wheel.   I have to admit that I was under that impression until a saw a you tube link testing out different vehicles in different terrains,  unless you have a 4x4 it won’t work in all conditions.  
 

Even though we own a RAV4 with AWD,  I wouldn’t be taking it in any of these conditions without the proper gear,  even even if I had the gear I would divert or put it off unless I have no choice, these attempts in you pics have a choice! 

[MattyW]

50 seconds into this and he covers why the styling of the Seal is so nice. Hits the nail right on the head.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLiiOeMU9JQ

 

Seems to be the most balanced review I've seen to date. Completely unbiased.

Edited December 20, 2023 by MattyW

[betty boop]

On 19/12/2023 at 8:15 PM, Addicted to music said:

You buy a 4WD for this kind of Terrain, but no amount of money will buy this guy common sense.   I see this in real life and on line where EV owners push there vehicles into flooded territory……

 

with regards EVs the press were actually quite impressed with the new Toyota/Subaru soltarra EV which is AWD... and this on a 4WD test track they got access to in japan.

 

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/the-subaru-of-electric-vehicles-why-the-2024-subaru-solterra-will-shame-the-tesla-model-y
'The Subaru of electric vehicles': Why the 2024 Subaru Solterra will shame the Tesla Model Y and Hyundai Ioniq 5 in the rough stuff

 

"A key role Subaru has played in the development was in the AWD drivetrain, and when you drive this, you can feel the distinct similarities to how the Outback drives, how the Forester drives, and that's what we're focused on –it feels and drives like a Subaru.

"X-Mode will be specific to us, and that same level of expectation (off-road) will apply."

According to Subaru, the Solterra's upgraded X-Mode AWD system allows you to "simply press a button to easily navigate deep mud, snow or even steep, slippery slopes—all in a controlled, calm, worry-free way", while also boasting of a minimum ground clearance of 210mm—so you can go places traditional electric vehicles typically can’t."

 

and seems to have lived upto it in the actual drive review, especially considering its only supposed to be a soft roader but appears to match up to subaru rep with this sort of thing...

 

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/2024-toyota-bz4x-off-road-review

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by betty boop

[RockandorRoll]

I like the Seal, could see myself getting into one of those.

 

Wish people would stop calling that rear trim a diffuser though, its just a trim piece that doesnt go under the car at all and would provide no downforce.

 

Polestar 2 also looks good, but at nearly $100k for the one with Ohlins and Brembos (or Akebono these days) its a tough upsell form the Seal.

[betty boop]

3 minutes ago, RockandorRoll said:

Polestar 2 also looks good, but at nearly $100k for the one with Ohlins and Brembos (or Akebono these days) its a tough upsell form the Seal.

dont HAVE to do that.. we didnt .. you can go just the RWD whcih is a very nice machine in the my24 getting great reviews ...or AWD which gets slightly less power and torque but everything else bar the ohlins and brembos... will find a lot of reviews saying you dont have to go those of course if want all the bling bits they are there for taking  

 

Seal is similar if scrambling for cash dont have to go the performance : ) ther others are still pretty good  

Edited December 21, 2023 by betty boop

[betty boop]

OVO has it seems adapted its EV charging windows so not can also get free 3 .. ie 3 hours charging for free during the day ... 11 to 2 pm...

 

https://pages.ovoenergy.com.au/the-free-3-plan

 

we are on the AGL ev plan that is meaning we are pretty much paying nix for charging our evs... less than $100 a year thats covered with the ev plan bonus so quite negligible overall. so wont be shifting to any other plan at present but the ovo plan might benefit those working from home.. 

[MattyW]

1 hour ago, betty boop said:

 

with regards EVs the press were actually quite impressed with the new Toyota/Subaru soltarra EV which is AWD... and this on a 4WD test track they got access to in japan.

 

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/the-subaru-of-electric-vehicles-why-the-2024-subaru-solterra-will-shame-the-tesla-model-y
'The Subaru of electric vehicles': Why the 2024 Subaru Solterra will shame the Tesla Model Y and Hyundai Ioniq 5 in the rough stuff

 

"A key role Subaru has played in the development was in the AWD drivetrain, and when you drive this, you can feel the distinct similarities to how the Outback drives, how the Forester drives, and that's what we're focused on –it feels and drives like a Subaru.

"X-Mode will be specific to us, and that same level of expectation (off-road) will apply."

According to Subaru, the Solterra's upgraded X-Mode AWD system allows you to "simply press a button to easily navigate deep mud, snow or even steep, slippery slopes—all in a controlled, calm, worry-free way", while also boasting of a minimum ground clearance of 210mm—so you can go places traditional electric vehicles typically can’t."

 

and seems to have lived upto it in the actual drive review, especially considering its only supposed to be a soft roader but appears to match up to subaru rep with this sort of thing...

 

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/2024-toyota-bz4x-off-road-review

 

 

Honestly, there was some bad overland flow when driving to Nudge Beach one evening in my Pajero Sport..... I couldn't see the damn road. Initially tried driving through but it scared the living shite out of me. About 100 metres in I backed up and turned around. I've no faith in going through this stuff in a 4WD let alone a regular vehicle. Where I see the value of 4WD is for use on dirt roads or for off road recreational use. But going through water..... To dangerous. No thanks.

Edited December 21, 2023 by MattyW

[betty boop]

1 minute ago, MattyW said:

 

Honestly, there was some bad overland flow when driving to Nudge Beach one evening in my Pajero Sport..... I couldn't see the damn road. Initially tried driving through but it scared the living shite out of me. About 100 metres in I backed up and turned around. I've no faith in going through this stuff in a 4WD let along a regular vehicle. Where I see the value of 4WD is for use on dirt roads or for off road recreational use. But going through water..... To dangerous. No thanks.

 

not too many true 4WD EV yet around. but the subaru solterra/toyota BZX effort does show promise on the instant torque and fine motor control evs bring and benefit that can have to AWD/4WD...

 

we have an AWD EV now ..but not in any way consider that a 4WD and neither would be attempting anything thats really needs 4WD... just asking for it ..  

[simo8989]

This is what they should have taken to Stockton beach!!!

 

 

[MattyW]

I'll wait for the Seal U to come out..... Would be a nice vehicle for my wife I think if they come out with an AWD model which has less of a performance focus than the Deal Performance. An SUV with AWD would be great for around town and its nice to know you've the additional traction in wet weather should evasive action be needed in a bad situation. It's pretty much the only reason I ordered the Seal Performance vs the Premium. A perceived improvement in safety. I'm not the most amazing driver or anything so it's nice to have a vehicle can help avoid the accident in the first place.

 

EDIT: Yeah, saw the U8 but don't really need something this level for around town, doing school drop offs etc. I'd rather a Mitsubishi ASX equivalent to anything else. Given the amazing build and luxurious interior of the Seal and Seal U that will make it a good consideration in future for me..... Unless someone else comes up with better for the money 

Edited December 21, 2023 by MattyW

[simo8989]

Here's the BYD YangWang testing I think in the Gobi desert.

 

[MattyW]

The verdict at around 12 minutes sounds about right with this review also with this review: 2024 BYD Seal Performance review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DF--PWrQAI&t=403s

 

Given I don't go offroad any longer..... I like BYD's Yangwang U9 more. Cheap for a vehicle that does 0-100 in 2 seconds, but outside my price range and who needs that much performance for goodness sake. Probably accelerates faster than it can even brake given its high weight. If they sell Yanwang into other markets I hope they just stick with the BYD Brand and call them things like YWU9 and some such. I don't see people wanting to buy something with Yangwang branding....

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangwang_U9

Edited December 21, 2023 by MattyW

[betty boop]

we are going to get some proper 4WD in time.. Jeep have already given their commitment. with the avenger, Recon and Wagoneer....and theres more coming still  

 

https://www.jeep.com/ev.html

[MattyW]

5 hours ago, betty boop said:

 

with regards EVs the press were actually quite impressed with the new Toyota/Subaru soltarra EV which is AWD... and this on a 4WD test track they got access to in japan.

 

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/the-subaru-of-electric-vehicles-why-the-2024-subaru-solterra-will-shame-the-tesla-model-y
'The Subaru of electric vehicles': Why the 2024 Subaru Solterra will shame the Tesla Model Y and Hyundai Ioniq 5 in the rough stuff

 

"A key role Subaru has played in the development was in the AWD drivetrain, and when you drive this, you can feel the distinct similarities to how the Outback drives, how the Forester drives, and that's what we're focused on –it feels and drives like a Subaru.

"X-Mode will be specific to us, and that same level of expectation (off-road) will apply."

According to Subaru, the Solterra's upgraded X-Mode AWD system allows you to "simply press a button to easily navigate deep mud, snow or even steep, slippery slopes—all in a controlled, calm, worry-free way", while also boasting of a minimum ground clearance of 210mm—so you can go places traditional electric vehicles typically can’t."

 

and seems to have lived upto it in the actual drive review, especially considering its only supposed to be a soft roader but appears to match up to subaru rep with this sort of thing...

 

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/2024-toyota-bz4x-off-road-review

 

 

 

The appearance though..... Not a nice looking vehicle to my mind..... If it doesn't look nice I'm probably not likely to be interested no matter how good it may be.

 

Damn but the U8 is impressive on those sand dunes. Would be interesting for a direct comparison with a top end Land Cruiser or Range Rover. 

Edited December 21, 2023 by MattyW

[betty boop]

14 minutes ago, MattyW said:

The appearance though..... Not a nice looking vehicle to my mind..... If it doesn't look nice I'm probably not likely to be interested no matter how good it may be.

 

better looking than a subaru forester  i had one as a hire car recently .. hideous looking thing from outside  .. inside is quite nice and they make great cars .. in drive handling etc all was good... thats what this will trade on the loyal subaru following ... looking for electric version of something like the forester  

 

 

[Addicted to music]

6 hours ago, betty boop said:

 

with regards EVs the press were actually quite impressed with the new Toyota/Subaru soltarra EV which is AWD... and this on a 4WD test track they got access to in japan.

 

https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/the-subaru-of-electric-vehicles-why-the-2024-subaru-solterra-will-shame-the-tesla-model-y
'The Subaru of electric vehicles': Why the 2024 Subaru Solterra will shame the Tesla Model Y and Hyundai Ioniq 5 in the rough stuff

 

"A key role Subaru has played in the development was in the AWD drivetrain, and when you drive this, you can feel the distinct similarities to how the Outback drives, how the Forester drives, and that's what we're focused on –it feels and drives like a Subaru.

"X-Mode will be specific to us, and that same level of expectation (off-road) will apply."

According to Subaru, the Solterra's upgraded X-Mode AWD system allows you to "simply press a button to easily navigate deep mud, snow or even steep, slippery slopes—all in a controlled, calm, worry-free way", while also boasting of a minimum ground clearance of 210mm—so you can go places traditional electric vehicles typically can’t."

 

and seems to have lived upto it in the actual drive review, especially considering its only supposed to be a soft roader but appears to match up to subaru rep with this sort of thing...

 

https://www.whichcar.com.au/reviews/2024-toyota-bz4x-off-road-review

 

 

Let’s hope that Subaru has had an influence in the EV AWD system like its ICE equivalents.   Subaru are on the top of there game in AWD, the rest you would  not consider including Toyota:  I would not take the RAV off road even though it is AWD because the Toyota AWD system is nowhere near what the capability of the Subaru is…..

 

 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2023 by Addicted to music

[betty boop]

2 hours ago, Addicted to music said:

Let’s hope that Subaru has had an influence in the EV AWD system like its ICE equivalents.   Subaru are on the top of there game in AWD, the rest you would  not consider including Toyota:  I would not take the RAV off road even though it is AWD because the Toyota AWD system is nowhere near what the capability of the Subaru is…..

 

its the subaru system even more improved and evolved given the finer motor control and instant torque ev design. if reading the article ... they too say how much worse off a RAV4 would have been on the same track and make clear its the subaru system. infact i wouldn't be surprised like the toyobaru bzr/86 that the ev is just made by subaru with a toyota badge on it !  

[Addicted to music]

28 minutes ago, betty boop said:

 

its the subaru system even more improved and evolved given the finer motor control and instant torque ev design. if reading the article ... they too say how much worse off a RAV4 would have been on the same track and make clear its the subaru system. infact i wouldn't be surprised like the toyobaru bzr/86 that the ev is just made by subaru with a toyota badge on it !  

i doubt it,  surprise you havent been following, Toyota delayed the release of there EV BZ4X because the wheels kept  falling  off!    i dont see Subaru hav that issue.....

 

BTW, I dont care what the press claims!!!  they usually regurgitate what the marketing spews.....we need to see one in real live tests like the the above utube i posted.  you can see all 4 wheels engaging on the Subbie and how it does it actively where all the others couldnt decise which wheel moved that mass......

[Addicted to music]

8 hours ago, simo8989 said:

This is what they should have taken to Stockton beach!!!

 

 

 

 

When i was in China this year,  most of the EV had LIDAR or sensors everwhere..... Very high tech, very innovative for Chinese Auto Manufacturers,  its certainly open my eyes and grabbed my attention.  the quality was to die for!