betty boop Posted January 24 Author Posted January 24 (edited) Carsales has road trip “stress test” Essendon to Canberra with a Kia ev5, earth long range awd I suspect his ice road tripping as does usually has driven his charging strategy of just one stop and charging to 100% which is rookie error stuff with evs ! Just no need to charge to 100% and just annoys everyone else …and why likely took him a bit longer as result I suspect. Still a good YouTube overall and shows folks what’s possible. He says will try a few more stops on way back even if did one more would have been fine and likely quicker (not needing to charge to 100%). Though he is right the ev crowd I have interacted with so far over some 2.5years are very nice folk ! No antagonism, arrogance no hot heads no nothing just ever helpful if anything I wouldn’t do a trip like that though with just one stop anyways, be usually two stops (as recommended by drive recovery survive also) driving that sort of distance and duration. Plugging in ABRP (which not sure he did) for our polestar 2 awd long range it gives 2 stops - 6 min and 19min … 25min in stops overall which is less than what he’s says with ice (30min). I wouldnt usually do a 6min charge anyways … even a toilet stop and grab a coffee is likely 15 min and builds some redundancy …. He also said it took 30min to get food anyways so much for fast food that isn’t fast so non event in any case … He was also driving with no aircon … not something I’d ever do…he said was warming up in car as no tint on windows … I would have turned aircon on, might have added 1kwh/100km at most to use … non event also adding negligible to overall use. We want to tint our windows for next summer though … missed doing for this one … Edited January 24 by betty boop 1
betty boop Posted January 26 Author Posted January 26 (edited) Harry's Garage, giving the new renault R5 a big rap....he checked out the new mini EV recently and wasnt that impressed that it had put on so much weight - some 300+kg on the old mini ev - sadly... this one is more a hark back to the old r5..not quite its plush ride.. but handles and goes well. not quite "the punch of the mini" or handling but a better car overall.. even though slower. very grown up car he says for money.. has same range as the new mini and yet so much lighter (more in line with my original mini ev i have) good they are still making cars around that sort of lightness and yet it has 5 doors and a useable boot for practicality (for a 2nd car). he cant recommended it highly enough for that sort of use. wanting something more sporty ? well you would have to get the new alpine a290 version. that gives up the cup holders and column shift drive selector and for more of everything instead... also fully google based like our polestar ...not sure we will get that here with renault they skimped on that with the megane... Edited January 26 by betty boop 1
AudioGeek Posted January 26 Posted January 26 Ioniq 6 is on sale - if u use Hyundai finance. Another case of not selling - despite "rave" reviews from the usual EV pundits. Also clearing out stock for a facelift version. EV facelifts seem more frequent than ICE equivalents I do wonder if it will be like the Taycan finance - where within a yr u r in negative finance until the end... I still think sticking to under $50k EV still makes most financial sense, particularly with solar. Where your fuel and service cost savings over 8 yrs cover cost of a car with no resale and needing a new battery 2
betty boop Posted January 27 Author Posted January 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, AudioGeek said: Ioniq 6 is on sale - if u use Hyundai finance. Another case of not selling - despite "rave" reviews from the usual EV pundits. Also clearing out stock for a facelift version. yep not selling that well, well less than all its competitors in tesla 3, byd seal, polestar 2 and bmw i4... even the toyota bz4x sells 3 times as many ! even little mini cooper sells more ... its only beating the nissan leaf that is enos of life.. so yeah not good.. its actually a well engineered car, good efficacy, charging, performance and handling. but likely over priced and also is it the styling ? wife took one look at it ... and we were looking heavily at sedans.. and she said it looked like a cockroach its porsche type rip off rear probably doesnt help and not quite pulled off... the boot access is tiny... and its rear is compromised due to sloping rear roof... a very normal car inside though... i tend to get Hyundai and kia as rental cars for work as quite normal if a touch boring... but get job done ... id rather this than any suv ! the run out would be a good chance to get a discount.. but do you really on finance .. dealer finance usually set to fleece you 1 hour ago, AudioGeek said: EV facelifts seem more frequent than ICE equivalents depends on the brands i guess... our mini ev released in 2019 only had one update, which is model i got in 2021.. before discontinued in 2024.. it follows bmw LCI approach.. and the 2021 update was a major one and took car out another 3 or so years so well worth it...i am definitely glad they brought the update as i got a much nicer car with latest bmw idrive, infotainment, car play and better styling inside and out and such. our polestar 2 we bought the major update that came with the my24 model we got at end 2023. and this seems appropriate for a model released in 2021 it brought styling, motors, battery, handling ride, complete change from FWD and FWD bias in AWD cars to RWD and RWD bias to AWD cars with ability to de couple the front motor for better efficacy and range. pretty significant.. polestar say they could have bought a new model out but stuck with the approach of mid life update instead... glad it came.. the my25 is only mild with not much to speak off update wise ? things like software they continuously keep updating with firmware year upon year even for original cars folks bought in 2021.. which is good... tesla model 3 has had one major update with highland last year after coming out in 2019 ? so also 3-4 years in .. again consistent to most ice brands i know... the ioniq 6 was released in feb 2023, so 2 or so years later its still unclear what the update is.. article below says if like on ioniq 5 its pretty mild ... so expect this is more of a plate clearance ? ie my24 vs my25 ? https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2025-hyundai-ioniq-6-facelifted-model-3-rival-spied-for-the-first-time 1 hour ago, AudioGeek said: I still think sticking to under $50k EV still makes most financial sense, particularly with solar.~ we would have bought petrol version of my car if didnt buy the ev so not much if any cost saving going petrol if anything its been a no brainer for me... we do have solar... but tend to charge over night on agls ev plan so costing us $2.5 a week to charge mini ev... another 40c more for polestar2... same with polestar 2 we would have spent about same (or more) on a 3 or 4 series bmw if didnt buy electric.. but even there we would have bought bmw i4 instead as its cheapest bmw 4 series or 3 series for matter ... bmw 3 series starts at $92k, the bmw i4 starts at $87k no brainer to go the ev ... re solar.. we still benefit but use that for our own use or save the FIT.... not necessarily always to charge the car 1 hour ago, AudioGeek said: Where your fuel and service cost savings over 8 yrs cover cost of a car with no resale and needing a new battery i am not sure where the "cost of a car with no resale" is coming from or "needing a new battery" sounds like anti ev propaganda ... that the click bait YouTubers and trash new sites pedal for clicks all research shows batteries outliving the cars... they will be the thing pulled out the car and repurposed ... just as engines and transmissions are pulled out of ice car wrecks to be reused. depreciation ? who buys a car as an investment... all cars depreciate ... a lot is related to discounting... as resale needs to be appropriately factor that in. what folks will do though buy at 20%+ discount and then be shocked when that 20% hits depreciation on top of what it would have done anyways .. duh.... enjoy the discount upfront and drive and enjoy... but i do agree and always worked on principle that at end what ever get for a car i see as a bonus.. discount on next.. i have had better to worse depreciation on ice cars have owned...worst was citroen.. and best a bmw (but only due to covid and car going cult status). re warranties ... i dont personally think they translate to reliability .. its usually more marketing... to build perceptions... mg has best i think right now 10 years 250k no matter ev, ice, hybrid or phev you buy. toyota with its bz4x over seas has best ev warranty i know with the million km/10 year warranty... we dont get that here... it doesnt mean its less reliable here with lower warranty ps if looking for a under $50k solid ev the cupra born is hard to go past.. but its discounted for a reason.. the VZ model coming is a good update.. tech and performance ...though likely step up in price.. the current one i am not sure any under $50k left as were snapped up quick.. be a few over as with spec up options.. 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betty boop Posted January 27 Author Posted January 27 (edited) Published in new scientist on 24 January 2025 https://www.newscientist.com/article/2465166-electric-cars-now-last-as-long-as-petrol-and-diesel-counterparts/ Electric cars now last as long as petrol and diesel counterparts Records from UK vehicle safety tests show that the average lifespan of an electric vehicle is 18 years, and the reliability is still improving considerably from year to year "Electric vehicles (EVs) now last as long as petrol and diesel alternatives – and their improving reliability outpaces fossil fuel-powered cars each year because the technology is still maturing. Robert Elliott at the University of Birmingham, UK, and his colleagues analysed nearly 300 million records from the UK’s compulsory roadworthiness test, called the MOT, which show the condition, age and mileage of vehicles on the road between 2005 and 2022. This covered some 29.8 million vehicles in total. The results showed that EVs now have an average lifespan of more than 18.4 years, outlasting the average diesel vehicle at 16.8 years and almost matching the average petrol vehicle at 18.7 years. The average EV now covers 200,000 kilometres during its life, surpassing the 187,000 km clocked up by petrol counterparts but falling short of the 257,000 km that diesels reach on average. Elliott says the results prove that electric cars aren’t only a viable alternative to petrol and diesel, but in some ways already beat them. The research also shows that long-term reliability is improving: the likelihood of an EV failing and ending up on the scrapheap in any given year is declining around twice as fast as it is for petrol vehicles and around six times as fast as for diesels. “The early electric cars were not so good and they were not so reliable,” says Elliott. “But the main point, I think, is the technology is improving very rapidly.” “We’re not environmental crusaders. We just want to give the facts. Electric cars and the batteries, they’re just living longer, and the technology is improving, and it would have improved again since this study,” he says. Although the MOT data doesn’t include information about how much maintenance and repair vehicles require between tests, only their overall lifespan, other research from the US has shown that maintenance costs for electric cars are around $0.06 per mile, while for internal combustion engines the figure is $0.10 per mile. .... Edited January 27 by betty boop 1
rantan Posted January 27 Posted January 27 (edited) Who would have thought? EV residual values are in a Nosedive. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/06/used-ev-prices-nosediving-study-finds/ Edited January 27 by rantan
aussievintage Posted January 27 Posted January 27 39 minutes ago, rantan said: Who would have thought? EV residual values are in a Nosedive. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2024/06/used-ev-prices-nosediving-study-finds/ Not just that but " GM Authority recently reported that 46 percent of Americans who owned an EV wanted to transition back to ICE-powered offerings" "A deeper dive reveals that used prices for EVs have declined between 30 and 39 percent in the past year, while ICE-powered vehicle values have only dipped between three and seven percent on the same year-over-year basis." “While the drop in used EV prices is dramatic, what’s more disconcerting is no indication of used EV values stabilizing,” 1
betty boop Posted January 28 Author Posted January 28 audi showing what the future of 4WDs can be when going electric ! Electric off-road SUVs don’t have to be spiritless, according to Audi. Epic electric off-road concept shows the future of 4WDs with rigid portal axles, more than 13,000Nm and enough power to rival a V8 Toyota LandCruiser, Nissan Patrol and Land Rover Defender https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/epic-electric-off-road-concept-shows-the-future-of-4wds-with-rigid-portal-axles-more-than Its 160mm lift and 250mm wider track compared to a regular Q6 e-tron make it look more monster truck than luxury European SUV, while its Audi-developed portal axles give it genuine off-road ability. In fact, Audi said the prototype can comfortably climb gradients of up to 100 per cent — or 45 degrees — a feat typically reserved for souped-up V8 off-roaders such as the Toyota LandCruiser 70 Series, Nissan Patrol Warrior and Land Rover Defender Octa.
betty boop Posted January 28 Author Posted January 28 Below is an article from a self confessed lover of "naturally-aspirated V8s, V10s and V12s and is in denial about the impending death of the internal combustion engine. " saying, There has never been a better time to buy an electric vehicle EVs are now not only cheaper than traditional ICE cars, but also offer better aftersales support – so what's the catch? https://www.carexpert.com.au/opinion/there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-buy-an-electric-vehicle It’s not just the MG 4. The BYD Dolphin, Chery Omoda E5 and the GWM Ora are all offering extremely compelling reasons as to why your next car should be an EV. If we are to address the elephant in the room, there is an undeniable underbelly of doubt among many Australians when it comes to buying a Chinese EV. It’s a big leap of faith for many to go into the unknown, but one can jump on Facebook or other social media pages and join owner groups to see the near-endless posts from happy customers sharing their EV experience with these brands (and yes, the occasional negative one as well, as you would expect with any brand). Then, of course, you have the Chinese-made Teslas, which sit and play at different price points and segments, but also outshine cars like the Camry and RAV4 with the Model 3 and Model Y respectively. As an admitted EV sceptic, it is becoming harder and harder not to recommend a super affordable Chinese-made EV to buyers asking the right questions.
RockandorRoll Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 27/01/2025 at 9:09 AM, betty boop said: also fully google based like our polestar ...not sure we will get that here with renault they skimped on that with the megane... Ateco is a big problem for Renault Australia. That arrangement just does not work in Renault globals favour. Terrible service centres, staff dont know anything, no local parts. I get the feeling that they just want to off load it so they can focus on RAM. They have no idea what they are doing Would be the only thing stopping me from looking at the A290 if at arrives 1
ICUToo Posted January 29 Posted January 29 On 27/1/2025 at 1:54 PM, aussievintage said: " GM Authority recently reported that 46 percent of Americans who owned an EV wanted to transition back to ICE-powered offerings" -Can you provide a link? All I can find is a correction that says that that estimate was incorrect: "Editor's note: The percentage of American EV owners who say they are likely to switch back to a combustion engine vehicle has been corrected to reflect updated information provided by McKinsey & Co. An earlier version of this story contained an outdated percentage." -McKinsey- wow. 1
betty boop Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, ICUToo said: -Can you provide a link? All I can find is a correction that says that that estimate was incorrect: "Editor's note: The percentage of American EV owners who say they are likely to switch back to a combustion engine vehicle has been corrected to reflect updated information provided by McKinsey & Co. An earlier version of this story contained an outdated percentage." -McKinsey- wow. unfortunately the survey goes back picking up data to 2021 ~ problematic since our ev boom happened post 21... below analysis of the McKinsey mobility survey is worth reading as the article says there is some much more in it beyond the click bait headline some news outlets ran with... Unpacking The McKinsey Mobility Consumer Survey — Henny Penny Edition https://cleantechnica.com/2024/06/27/unpacking-the-mckinsey-mobility-consumer-survey-henny-penny-edition/ as far as demographics and scepticism folks might have about EVs.. compare the market has also done research across australia, US and canada ... https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/this-demographic-is-the-most-sceptical-about-electric-cars-australia/ According to data gathered by comparison company Compare the Market – which polled over 3000 drivers from Australia, the United States and Canada – respondents aged 58 years old and above showed the most concerns about electric vehicle ownership. Of this baby boomer demographic, 41 per cent had concerns about EVs, while gen X motorists – aged between 42 to 57 years old – came in second at 24 per cent, followed by millennials – between 26 to 41 years old – in third (22 per cent). Gen Z drivers aged between 18 and 25 were the least concerned about EV ownership, with only 13 per cent of gen Z respondents highlighting their reservations about electric cars, as per the Compare the Market data. no surprise there really, younger folks tend to be more open to new things....the glass half full is 59% of baby boomers 76% of gen X, 78% of millennials didnt have concerns on eVs... and amazing 87% of gen Z didnt have reservations on EVs...
betty boop Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 8 hours ago, RockandorRoll said: Ateco is a big problem for Renault Australia. That arrangement just does not work in Renault globals favour. Terrible service centres, staff dont know anything, no local parts. I get the feeling that they just want to off load it so they can focus on RAM. They have no idea what they are doing not had any involvement with them, however they made a complete mess of the megane e-tech introduction here... took so long... arrived here finally years after we put down registration of interest.. and glad we didnt wait for it .. as we got a stripped back version with such basics of what made it a nice car when got here were all missing.. 8 hours ago, RockandorRoll said: Would be the only thing stopping me from looking at the A290 if at arrives the a290 will be a very nice car.. but likely scary in price .. the a110 was $100k+ - $120+ car ..and that was few years ago.. what does that make a mini hatch back version of it now ? ~70k ? that is about price of mini JCW ev ... and thats now chinese made...so i shudder to think... what they can get the french made a290 in here for.. it will be a nicer car vs the new chinese mini ev though i suspect.. note the other competition in this segment is Abarth 500e and thats $60k plus onroads... so yeah these little sporty evs are not cheap.. you could look at the R5 but can see Harry says its not a hot hatch or anything just a nice car for money 0-100 in circa 7.9sec or something... so not quite what a290 is offering..
betty boop Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 amazing to think that the bmw ix is 4 years old ! and its getting a facelift with the new one coming with upto 700km range https://www.drive.com.au/news/2025-bmw-ix-electric-car-facelift-revealed/ style might not be to everyone's tastes but its a pretty popular ev and something for folks looking for a flagship bmw ev suv...
aussievintage Posted January 29 Posted January 29 10 hours ago, ICUToo said: Can you provide a link? Seriously? I was quoting the link that was in the quoted material right at the top of my post.
RockandorRoll Posted January 29 Posted January 29 12 hours ago, betty boop said: so yeah these little sporty evs are not cheap.. you could look at the R5 but can see Harry says its not a hot hatch or anything just a nice car for money 0-100 in circa 7.9sec or something... so not quite what a290 is offering.. The a290 is only getting the Megane E powertrain, so best case would be mid 6's. Then there is the R5 Turbo which has also been announced for Aus, people are estimating $200k price tag though. I dont think ill be giving Ateco that business 1
ICUToo Posted January 29 Posted January 29 3 hours ago, aussievintage said: Seriously? I was quoting the link that was in the quoted material right at the top of my post. You provided a link to an article that provided a link to an article that provided a link to an article that provided reference to an article! The original McKinsey survey data isn't shown anywhere that i could find, so I couldn't see what question they asked of whom to generate the data that you present. It matters. For example , they have elsewhere published data that seems to show that no-one really likes EVs, but when you look at the original survey, it was asked of people who "described themselves as EV skeptics". So it is worth digging down to see exactly what can be learned from these publications. Of course, we are all just trying to get past everyone's preconceived ideas and get the truth out, right? 1
crisis Posted January 29 Posted January 29 13 hours ago, betty boop said: Of this baby boomer demographic, 41 per cent had concerns about EVs, while gen X motorists – aged between 42 to 57 years old – came in second at 24 per cent, followed by millennials – between 26 to 41 years old – in third (22 per cent). Gen Z drivers aged between 18 and 25 were the least concerned about EV ownership, with only 13 per cent of gen Z respondents highlighting their reservations about electric cars, as per the Compare the Market data. no surprise there really, younger folks tend to be more open to new things....the glass half full is 59% of baby boomers 76% of gen X, 78% of millennials didnt have concerns on eVs... and amazing 87% of gen Z didnt have reservations on EVs... Boomers often deserve the derision they get. 1 1
betty boop Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 30 minutes ago, RockandorRoll said: The a290 is only getting the Megane E powertrain, so best case would be mid 6's. Then there is the R5 Turbo which has also been announced for Aus, people are estimating $200k price tag though. I dont think ill be giving Ateco that business that would be wish.. but my suspicions are only based on past where alpine sitseg a110.. which is a premium brand with pricing to match i love what they are doing...with power, suspension, brakes (from a110) and that interior.. which looks very nice on basis r5 was https://www.drive.com.au/news/2025-alpine-a290-electric-hot-hatch/ yeah $200k for the r5 turbo.. nice they are doing it .. but not kind of cash id splurge on a car that said even the a290 .. its similar weight and straight line performance to my mini ev.. so if were considering it would be for 2 more doors, bit more boot space and what is likely nicer alpine handling and braking..plus a nice google interior/devialet stereo if does eventuate that said we are really happy with the mini ev as is ... the apple car play basis in it we have now works a treat for day to day car it is .. we dont need more range.. as we have polestar for longer trips... the interior of mini is gorgeous with its lovely leather. and the stock HK stereo with its dual subs under seat and split system up front is best have come across as a stock system .. so we are happy really.. the a290 can take its time to arrive
betty boop Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 1 hour ago, crisis said: Boomers often deserve the derision they get. ha ! truthfully though even the majority of them and more so other generations dont seem to have concerns or reservations about evs.. of course there is the minority ...they'll probably be in what they call "late majority" or "laggards" ie some will be very late to jump on.. some possibly never will.. and given age and length of years of transition we are talking about.. some dont even need consider transitioning .. so all good and all in good time
AudioGeek Posted January 30 Posted January 30 2 hours ago, ICUToo said: You provided a link to an article that provided a link to an article that provided a link to an article that provided reference to an article! The original McKinsey survey data isn't shown anywhere that i could find, so I couldn't see what question they asked of whom to generate the data that you present. It matters. For example , they have elsewhere published data that seems to show that no-one really likes EVs, but when you look at the original survey, it was asked of people who "described themselves as EV skeptics". So it is worth digging down to see exactly what can be learned from these publications. Of course, we are all just trying to get past everyone's preconceived ideas and get the truth out, right? You can find articles to support whatever your point of view is these days. Then you will be automatically provided with similar articles to reinforce your convictions... 1
crisis Posted January 30 Posted January 30 3 hours ago, betty boop said: ha ! truthfully though even the majority of them and more so other generations dont seem to have concerns or reservations about evs.. of course there is the minority ...they'll probably be in what they call "late majority" or "laggards" ie some will be very late to jump on.. some possibly never will.. and given age and length of years of transition we are talking about.. some dont even need consider transitioning .. so all good and all in good time As a "boomer" (62 in March!!!!), with boomer friends I’ve seen enough to accept it. I used to get offended when punks would respond to my comments with “OK Boomer”. While a somewhat lazy response, I’m sure some of it is a result of having to try to discuss new concepts with old people. I am closing my circle of boomer friends I hang out with and often enjoy the company of younger people, who probably don’t enjoy mine! 1
rantan Posted January 30 Posted January 30 I really do not like making any particular generation a scapegoat for the world's ills and issues. It is just another form of discrimination Certainly, buying an EV does not instantly make anybody an eco warrior. 4
crisis Posted January 30 Posted January 30 22 minutes ago, rantan said: I really do not like making any particular generation a scapegoat for the world's ills and issues. It is just another form of discrimination Certainly, buying an EV does not instantly make anybody an eco warrior. It’s a bit tongue in cheek but there is also some cringy truth. 1
betty boop Posted January 30 Author Posted January 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, crisis said: As a "boomer" (62 in March!!!!), with boomer friends I’ve seen enough to accept it. I used to get offended when punks would respond to my comments with “OK Boomer”. While a somewhat lazy response, I’m sure some of it is a result of having to try to discuss new concepts with old people. I am closing my circle of boomer friends I hang out with and often enjoy the company of younger people, who probably don’t enjoy mine! not quite in that category and being told by few people i look younger than i am probably helps but definitely not acting my age..not everyone has to re boomers... nrma did their own research and published their findings last year with research done start of 2024... some other data quoted is from 2023 so all this already year old.. but still their work below gives some good clues... https://www.nrma.com.au/car-insurance/ev-report-changing-gears this research looking at age and life stage, summarised that "boomers remain unconvinced" with their findings that only 9% were willing even to consider an ev... as they indicate there is probably merit in boosting awareness and consideration of EVs in this group. "Age and life stage From a generational perspective, Millennials and Gen Z are foremost among the next wave of EV purchasers, with 25% considering an EV. The majority of Baby Boomers remain unconvinced, however, with just 9% willing to consider one. Given many Baby Boomers may be looking to downsize vehicles and take shorter trips as they settle into retirement, boosting awareness and consideration of EVs among this group may benefit them greatly." Boomers also do stand out from rest of generations with only 2% of ev owners where as other generations sit at 6-7%.... parents with kids most likely with 7% and 4% with individuals without kids and 2% of empty nesters... again this data is 12 months or so old now.. and this is a fastly changing space... Edited January 30 by betty boop
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