betty boop Posted May 2, 2016 Author Posted May 2, 2016 this is a pretty good update really for the bmw i3, with new battery pack taking range up by 110km taking out to 300km http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/bmw-i3-gets-new-battery-option-boost-in-range-20160428-gohu53.html with the little petrol generator on board the overall range goes out to 490km. which is pretty healthy really. looks like charge time on single phase is 8 - 10 hours vs 2 hr 45min on their 3 phase system. definitely stacking up well for a city run about. of course price yet to be announced ! 1
proftournesol Posted May 2, 2016 Posted May 2, 2016 Yes, I think that EV range is going to increase very quickly. It'll make it even harder for Nissan to sell their 2011 and 2012 Leafs! PHEVs are a transitional technology until then. I'm not sure where the non-Tesla manufacturers are going to get their batteries from 1
betty boop Posted May 2, 2016 Author Posted May 2, 2016 Yes, I think that EV range is going to increase very quickly. It'll make it even harder for Nissan to sell their 2011 and 2012 Leafs! PHEVs are a transitional technology until then. I'm not sure where the non-Tesla manufacturers are going to get their batteries from nissan should just move on the old leafs literally and jump into the next model. wiki has a bit of a list re battery makers and who is connected to who. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_electric_vehicle_battery_manufacturers with porsche's model for instance both panasonic and bosch bids are being considered, https://chargedevs.com/newswire/porsche-considers-bosch-panasonic-to-supply-ev-batteries/ lg chem is the next big one, as per this article they just have to get it in the leaf of all things and apparently will topple panasonic for the lead ? http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/20/panasonic-ev-battery-king-today-watch-out-for-lg-chem/ 1
proftournesol Posted May 2, 2016 Posted May 2, 2016 LG Chem will likely split the market with Tesla/Panasonic as major players but there's going to be an awful lot of batteries required. Interesting local EV, it's a shame that it was hit with the ugly stick. Amazing performance though 1
Guest rmpfyf Posted May 2, 2016 Posted May 2, 2016 Really depends where battery tech goes. Are the cells cylindrical/prismatic/pouch Is the cooling air/liquid What are the power densities All questions of relevance. Panasonic is winning on cylindrical cells no question. LG Chem is absolutely smashing it on pouch cells. Smaller cells with liquid cooling can be made to have favourable short-term power densities, but really, not everyone needs superfast 0-100km/h times.
Hergest Posted May 10, 2016 Posted May 10, 2016 Interesting. More charge points in Japan than petrol stations. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/10/japan-electric-car-charge-points-petrol-stations
betty boop Posted May 12, 2016 Author Posted May 12, 2016 do people realise a company in australia has been quietly making an EV…hows 150kw in a light frame that charges in 15 min sound…. just one hitch … its for off road use only look out for more news next week …. 1
Guest rmpfyf Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 We've had a few, and been home to many more than people think. I thought these were impressive... We've had others.
Guest rmpfyf Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 @@rmpfyf what do you think of the Tango? I think no. Too expensive, some pointless design elements, likely not nearly as safe as some of the headline numbers make out. Far more excited about about this - http://www.carscoops.com/2015/02/yamaha-will-build-gordon-murrays-motiv.html
Briz Vegas Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Anyone seen fully charged YouTube showing the Riversimple. I would post link later. It's slightly science experiment right now but it's the model wereally need. Lots of smart thinkingrightdowntobuyingmilesnotbuying the car or thefeul. Makes Tesla look like a waste of time. No,really.and iam aTeska fan it's the car you need and despite being only average fast with 10 sec to 100, it's the car you need. Still funto drive butwaysmarterthana Tesla. 1
betty boop Posted May 19, 2016 Author Posted May 19, 2016 I saw a model s 85 on the freeway the other day.... next to a jeep grand cherokee...you only then realise just what a BIG car the tesla is .... it is wider and longer than the jeep...the only thing the jeep had on it was height ! I read the model 3 is just shy in dimensions of a merc 300C. gee the world needs smaller EVs ! not everyone wants a full size family car for an EV 1
Guest rmpfyf Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 Anyone seen fully charged YouTube showing the Riversimple. I would post link later. It's slightly science experiment right now but it's the model wereally need. Lots of smart thinkingrightdowntobuyingmilesnotbuying the car or thefeul. Makes Tesla look like a waste of time. No,really.and iam aTeska fan it's the car you need and despite being only average fast with 10 sec to 100, it's the car you need. Still funto drive butwaysmarterthana Tesla. It's OK, but there's nothing new there. The Toyota Mirai does this and more. Toyota (global not AU) actually has some pretty cool presentations (e.g. http://www.iphe.net/docs/Meetings/Germany_11-11/presentations/(4)%20Hirose%20Toyotal.pdf, http://www.cenex-lcv.co.uk/2013/presentations2013/day1/main/D1MPS2-Katsuhiko-Hirose.pdf, https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/Mirai_Fueling.pdf) Toyota USA has some pretty awesome stuff too that covers HV/PHEV/FCV (older - https://www.youtube.com/user/ESQToyota/videos, https://www.youtube.com/user/toyotaesqcomm),
Briz Vegas Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 err, no. Don't agree. This is the video i couldn't link to while on the move. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=utmkddBFUg0 Its like 3 times as efficient as the Mira, plus it works in a totally different business model. It uses a tiny engine because that is all it needs. Different animal all together. 1
Guest rmpfyf Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 It's a nice vid and there are bits that are impressive. I'll respectfully disagree: That Hydrogenics fuel cell stack isn't designed for road automotive use at all. Nice for a concept, way more work required to make something that'll actually work in a production car. This is way, way off. Same goes for the tank. Very few markets in the world allow a phase braking system in production vehicles. it's nothing new, there's a staggering amount of work required to put that into real production. That fuel cells have a poor turndown ratio (can't change load state incredibly) is nothing new - most FCV's have a battery or 'fast' stack and an FC working in tandem. It has a 11hp fuel cell. It dies not run on 11hp, that's quite misleading. Vehicle sharing and pooled fuel sales - not new. Hyperiefficient aerodynamics - not new. BMW can't get a carbon frame in an i3 down to costs that'd make Riversimple's business model really work. Their supply chain model is tough to realise. Not least that hyperurban cars frankly work better as EVs - less upfront costs, maintenance costs, fuel network costs, full cycle emissions and greater net efficiency. FCV's come into their own for longer distances and higher payloads (I reckon this would kick a** as a truck concept). No offence, I come from the sustainable vehicle industry. Companies like Riversimple are great concepts and honestly need to exist to spur innovation and clean-sheet thinking from time to time. It raises important questions about what a car is and how we interact with them. I reckon it's awesome. That it's got three times the efficiency of a Mirai doesn't make it better. That a Mirai does 'this and more' implies that it stops, starts, has vehicle stability performance, crashes and passes regulations like a production car needs to, that it's actually in production, and that some thought has gone into where it fits into various social life cycles, supply chains and the like. It's not perfect but a better first start. You're on the money suggesting that the Riversimple is smarter possibly even than Tesla as a concept. I reckon in some cases the S could be even more important as an FCV.
Guest rmpfyf Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 You might like Zoox - very similar to Riversimple with a few differences: EV not FCV Hyperurban from the start Autonomous from the start US based, but the CEO comes from the best country on the planet (here) http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/advanced-cars/meet-zoox-the-robotaxi-startup-taking-on-google-and-uber
proftournesol Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 I like this quote from the Zoox article This is what comes after the car,†he wrote on his site. “I have in my head a concept design…so extreme it will have philistine giraffes gone wrong like [former Top Gear host] Jeremy Clarkson throwing back shots of Prozac to calm down.†What is clear is that the era pf cookie cutter ICE cars all offering variations on the same solutions and resulting in the same problems are over. Electric motors open a world of possibilities. 2
betty boop Posted June 2, 2016 Author Posted June 2, 2016 hmm http://www.theage.com.au/business/innovation/is-elon-musk-the-willy-wonka-of-the-car-world-20160601-gp9iyk.html "All of this will come at a price. During Tesla's annual general meeting in Mountain View on Tuesday night, Musk admitted for the first time that Model 3 owners won't get free access to the network of Tesla Superchargers he is installing around the US, a privilege that is included in the price of a Model S or Model X." that is a bit of a surprise .... makes a bit of a dent in the model 3 value proposition... but I guess explains the big price drop vs the model X and S. the free power and the superchargers for a quick charge only leaves wondering then where will model 3 owners be able to charge up ? of if there is a cost how is that done ? will they have to swipe a credit card ? will be provided at what cost ? the super chargers are un attended and am not sure how they will enforce this charge not charge business between model 3s and the other more expensive models that get the free power... 1
proftournesol Posted June 2, 2016 Posted June 2, 2016 Superchargers aren't free. They are free for indefinite unlimited use for Model S and X owners because the cost has been built into the purchase price. This is likely to be a specified add-on for the Model 3 just like any other option, once you've bought it then use will be 'free'. This is actually an advantage for some owners, for instance any Model S owner that doesn't currently live in Melbourne or Sydney or drive up the Hume is paying for Superchargers without ever using them. All cars will come with the hardware installed, the activation is done in software. Most people will charge at home as most Model S owners do now unless they live close to a supercharger or they live in an apartment or only have street parking. There's likely to be other options for occasional use as each car is electronically identifiable, Elon has said that this will still be cheaper than petrol 2
Briz Vegas Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 OMG. I have to go to a service station and pay upwards of $50 just to fil my ICE car. Outrageous. Makes me rethink the value proposition. Not. I always knew that free superchargers were about early adopters and aestablishing electric cars. It was never going to apply to the 3. Just having access to the network is what Tesla is all about. No other manufacturere is serious about electric cars because no other manufacturere has thought about supporting infrastructure. Its why all the other big players to date are a joke. 3
Guest rmpfyf Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 (edited) OMG. I have to go to a service station and pay upwards of $50 just to fil my ICE car. Outrageous. Makes me rethink the value proposition. Not. Well put No other manufacturere is serious about electric cars because no other manufacturere has thought about supporting infrastructure. Its why all the other big players to date are a joke. Nah, not true. Unless you're using the s/charger network for what it's not designed for, 99% of your charging will be at home and at night. Which is a pretty good deal for most parties involved. Even AC at 16A it's 180km+ overnight for a particularly fat EV. Add more AC charging at low power during work hours (fleet and destination charging) and you've got something real and deployable for the rest of us that does something useful with daytime utility peaks etc. Very relevant for e.g. QLD with unpredictable daytime surplus and the like. DC-fast is good for a limited number of routes and particularly difficult elsewhere. It's flag-waving asides. Tesla's network doesn't support a sharp uptake in deployed cars, an AC network can. Real uptake is measured by low-power AC charging, not limited-number closed-market DC-fast. You'll get AC charging from most manufacturers supporting PHEV and BEV vehicles. Some really nice kit in some cases too. Or just buy an EVSE and get a sparkie to install, it's pretty straightforwards. Edited June 3, 2016 by rmpfyf
betty boop Posted June 3, 2016 Author Posted June 3, 2016 OMG. I have to go to a service station and pay upwards of $50 just to fil my ICE car. Outrageous. Makes me rethink the value proposition. Not. ~ I dont know what is the value proposition ? I have no idea ? has tesla said what it is for the 3 ? all they have said they wont have super charger use included ps my little car takes me to the border and back on a tank and doesnt cost $50 to fill ~ I always knew that free superchargers were about early adopters and aestablishing electric cars. It was never going to apply to the 3. Just having access to the network is what Tesla is all about. No other manufacturere is serious about electric cars because no other manufacturere has thought about supporting infrastructure. Its why all the other big players to date are a joke. you did ? how come ? it was only announced on tuesday night apparently no doubt there is some infrastructure now. but its pretty basic as now. I know of 3 charge points in the state. when you consider how wide spread the state of victoria is am not sure its much really to speak off. are there plans you are aware of with regards infrastructure ? 1
betty boop Posted June 3, 2016 Author Posted June 3, 2016 http://www.drive.com.au/what-car-should-i-buy/eco/toyota-prius-v-lexus-es300h-v-audi-a3-etron-v-bmw-x5-xdrive40e-20160531-gp8542.html plug in hybrids and hybrids on test. the toyota prius I still think is an absolute joke when at best it can only do 2km on pure electrics ! and thats being optimistic. in anger probably do about 400m ! 2
Guest rmpfyf Posted June 3, 2016 Posted June 3, 2016 are there plans you are aware of with regards infrastructure ? There are. Won't be everywhere, though http://www.drive.com.au/what-car-should-i-buy/eco/toyota-prius-v-lexus-es300h-v-audi-a3-etron-v-bmw-x5-xdrive40e-20160531-gp8542.html plug in hybrids and hybrids on test. the toyota prius I still think is an absolute joke when at best it can only do 2km on pure electrics ! and thats being optimistic. in anger probably do about 400m ! Shame the Prius Plugin didn't get a run in Australia - there were 5 cars for trial, and some may have driven them with GoGet. Around 25km range and some better performance than the std Prius. The current plugin version (Prius Prime) even looks decent (still think the new Volt kills it aesthetically and functionally). I'm surprised when reviewers pull out the ES300h for reviews - the Camry Hybrid is the same car without the cheese, and is much lighter. If they want a hybrid Lexus go the IS300h - same block, direct-injection head, RWD and a veryˆlarge electric motor (for a hybrid). Great fuel consumption and goes like a scalded cat.
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