Electric Cars Discussion

[betty boop]

20 minutes ago, aussievintage said:

You keep quoting the headline, but I found the Monash release to be clear on what was happening.  

i have not only quoted the headline,  but also the statement within and then their 3rd statement that contradicts not only the headline but also the statements within their release posted above ... if cant see this not sure what else can do about that. ..

 

20 minutes ago, aussievintage said:

I would rather we do not censor discussions. For example, I could ask that headlines not be quoted and that we go to the source of the info, not secondhand interpretations of Monash's statement.   However I feel that would stifle debate.

 

i have posted the monash statement here it is again incase missed it ? 

 

 

 

I have posted the headline ... here it is again

 

Safety Alert No 8: Discontinue charging Electric Vehicles within
Monash Health sites, including all car parks - November 2023

 

and also the contradicting statements ... here they are again.. quoted from the monash health statement, if dont believe me go look and read it for self

 

Monash Health employees must immediately stop charging their personal Light Electric
Vehicles (LEV) and Electric Vehicles (EV) within the confines of Monash Health sites, including all car parking areas.

 

Communicate to all employees that they must immediately cease charging personal Light Electric Vehicle
(LEV) or Electric Vehicle (EV within the contines of Monash Health properties, including all car parking areas.

 

so after the headline and two statements saying discontinue charging EV within monash health sites they then  contradict them selves  immediately by the statement below 

 

Noting this excludes Monash Health leased EV's, which may be charged at designated Monash Health
charging stations, at selected sites.

 

if cant se this contradicting the headline and  statements following am not sure what to say ... this is the contradiction the media has picked up ...  

 

I'll leave this one there too.. enough time spent on it. if cant see contradiction. will never see it..

 

Edited November 24, 2023 by betty boop

[betty boop]

12 minutes ago, aussievintage said:

I would rather we do not censor discussions. For example, I could ask that headlines not be quoted and that we go to the source of the info, not secondhand interpretations of Monash's statement.   However I feel that would stifle debate.

 

can we raise the bar and not quote fringe youtube channels, there is all sorts of cr@p there if want to go looking for it ? its zombie myth perpetuating i am talking about and not from any acknowledged source.

 

13 minutes ago, aussievintage said:

In the end it does not matter what you think,  nor what I think.  We are hearing that owners of carparks,  and insurance companies are indeed reacting to these things, and NOT just in Australia.

this is again fear of unknown because no we are so early in the change cycle its understandable here we get silly knee jerks like the months help statements that even contradict themselves ! we have only had actual acknowledged experts like evfire safe come back and tell them they are confusing things...

 

we'll hopefully move on from this fear of unknown as other countries are ... 

 

it probably wont have likes of your YouTube conspiracy theorist spreading his zombie myths.. they will continue .. hopefully the truth will prevail and folks will embrace change rather than fear it as clearly what is happening here..

 

stage 3 awaits ... acceptance and integration .... like in norway where in sept plug in evs hit 93% of market share...

 

Norway: Plug-In Car Market Share Hits Record 93% In September 2023

https://insideevs.com/news/689391/norway-plugin-car-sales-september2023/#:~:text=New passenger plug-in car,%) and 83.4% market share

[aussievintage]

8 minutes ago, betty boop said:

i have not only quoted the headline,  but also the statement within and then their 3rd statement that contradicts not only the headline but also the statements within their release posted above ... if cant see this not sure what else can do about that. ..

 

 

i have posted the monash statement here it is again incase missed it ? 

 

 

 

I have posted the headline ... here it is again

 

Safety Alert No 8: Discontinue charging Electric Vehicles within
Monash Health sites, including all car parks - November 2023

 

and also the contradicting statements ... here they are again.. quoted from the monash health statement, if dont believe me go look and read it for self

 

Monash Health employees must immediately stop charging their personal Light Electric
Vehicles (LEV) and Electric Vehicles (EV) within the confines of Monash Health sites, including all car parking areas.

 

Communicate to all employees that they must immediately cease charging personal Light Electric Vehicle
(LEV) or Electric Vehicle (EV within the contines of Monash Health properties, including all car parking areas.

 

so after the headline and two statements saying discontinue charging EV within monash health sites they then  contradict them selves  immediately by the statement below 

 

Noting this excludes Monash Health leased EV's, which may be charged at designated Monash Health
charging stations, at selected sites.

 

if cant se this contradicting the headline and 2 statements following am not sure what to say ... this is the contradiction the media has picked up ... 

 

 

 

The release makes a distinction between "personal" and Monash "leased" EVs, hence no contradiction.

[betty boop]

i'll leave it there aus. you clearly arguing for sake of arguing i will say. clearly cant see the contradiction ... 

 

if i have repeated myself 3 times and still cant see it ... then time to move on... 

[MattyW]

Looks like the first shipment of BYD Seals has arrived in Brisbane. I believe these will be the RWD variants with the AWD not due until January.

 

https://thedriven.io/2023/11/23/colony-of-byd-seal-electric-sedans-spotted-at-the-docks-in-brisbane/amp/

[betty boop]

jan will swing around soon @MattyW  .. we have been waiting months for our polestar 2.... now we have a hand over date ... mid dec... just tentative mind you  ..still ...so we just wait patiently till eventuates ... we do know its in the country ...even in the same state now ..needs a tow bar fitted and no doubt they prep the car needs rego and all that so hopefully transpires soon enough hehe

[MattyW]

@betty boop the Polestar 2 is the only other EV on the market looks good to me. I really don’t get the bland, understated styling Tesla use. Makes Toyota seem luxurious in comparison.

 

 The Seal just has a lovely interior and exterior is stunning also. Should make the drivers seat a really nice place to be. Especially if drive quality is as good as the reviews say. Build quality of the one I looked at seemed comparable with German marques so very promising indeed. 

[betty boop]

@MattyW love it that EVs have brought the sedans and sporty ones back...took wife and daughter around looking at all the options and loved the polestar 2. the seal wasnt around at the time. so not a contender so not sure what theyd think , but looks a really nice car to me and for the money. styling, performance, quality all looks good.

 

Seal apparently is now for demo in chadstone shopping centre so should get quite a few folks checking it out we checked out most of our EVs in chadstone ironically .. from volvo XC40/C40, atto3, tesla 3, polestar 2. cupra born all in the one spot wandering around ...we even managed a couple of test drives from there .. the new way of buying  

Edited November 25, 2023 by betty boop

[MattyW]

55 minutes ago, betty boop said:

@MattyW love it that EVs have brought the sedans and sporty ones back...took wife and daughter around looking at all the options and loved the polestar 2. the seal wasnt around at the time. so not a contender so not sure what theyd think , but looks a really nice car to me and for the money. styling, performance, quality all looks good.

 

Seal apparently is now for demo in chadstone shopping centre so should get quite a few folks checking it out we checked out most of our EVs in chadstone ironically .. from volvo XC40/C40, atto3, tesla 3, polestar 2. cupra born all in the one spot wandering around ...we even managed a couple of test drives from there .. the new way of buying  

 

The Seal was the vehicle decided it for me. Was exposted to how good the BYD Han was while on holiday in China so was super keen on the Seal.... And I discovered with only 1 family car it will make picking up and dropping off my daughter to school quite difficult next year so it all just came together. I'm now really excited about EV's where previously I didn't care at all about them.

[betty boop]

 

here's an interesting insight into the back story of the monash health banning of chargers apart from being only used for monash  health leased evs...

 

I'm not sure if I'm the only person here with inside knowledge. I'll read over the thread when I have a chance. Just thought I'd quickly post this before I forget. 
I was in the facilities office of one of the Hospitals when this decision was made. It is 100% based on money. They couldn't work out how to charge users, so they made the decision to ban them. They didn't even consult anyone about it. It was literally a decision made between a few facilities workers.

 

The problem was that staff weren't using chargers, they were using the GPO's in the carpark. Facilities was debating whether or not they should provide chargers. They decided not to and then they locked off the circuits being used.

 

so theres the real story...just some GPOs in the car park  so they locked out the GPOS in question anyways ... 

 

I wonder why they were not more forthright in their public notice  

 

sounds like another organisation not really upto speed with the times.. not knowing what to do.. how to react...so dream up a story and excuse and run with it instead....

[proftournesol]

3 hours ago, betty boop said:

 

here's an interesting insight into the back story of the monash health banning of chargers apart from being only used for monash  health leased evs...

 

I'm not sure if I'm the only person here with inside knowledge. I'll read over the thread when I have a chance. Just thought I'd quickly post this before I forget. 
I was in the facilities office of one of the Hospitals when this decision was made. It is 100% based on money. They couldn't work out how to charge users, so they made the decision to ban them. They didn't even consult anyone about it. It was literally a decision made between a few facilities workers.

 

The problem was that staff weren't using chargers, they were using the GPO's in the carpark. Facilities was debating whether or not they should provide chargers. They decided not to and then they locked off the circuits being used.

 

so theres the real story...just some GPOs in the car park  so they locked out the GPOS in question anyways ... 

 

I wonder why they were not more forthright in their public notice  

 

sounds like another organisation not really upto speed with the times.. not knowing what to do.. how to react...so dream up a story and excuse and run with it instead....

They obviously didn't try very hard to find out; there are already solutions for shared chargers in apartment buildings.

Another example of Hanlon's razor at work.

Edited November 28, 2023 by proftournesol

[betty boop]

53 minutes ago, proftournesol said:

They obviously didn't try very hard to find out; there are already solutions for shared chargers in apartment buildings.

Another example of Hanlon's razor at work.

 

exactly ...even my simple home charger can accomodate with app and codes and things as well. infact for apartments we actually have an australian company even making here in oz a solution and range of chargers.....

 

just another example here with monash health ..caught deer in headlights .. not knowing what to do .. so ban it is first response... using safety to justify because heck cant argue with that  

[MattyW]

For an update. The ETA for my BYD Seal Performance is 2-4 weeks. Course I had to change my choice of trim to black for that else Id likely be waiting until late January or early February.

[betty boop]

1 minute ago, MattyW said:

For an update. The ETA for my BYD Seal Performance is 2-4 weeks. Course I had to change my choice of trim to black for that else Id likely be waiting until late January or early February.

the black seats ? i reckon thats better anyways.. the light seats in the seal we have seen already photos where its looking quite stained with just regular use... black be more practical...

 

2-4 weeks will fly ! thats almost the time we are looking on getting our polestar ..though all quiet from that front in the last week  

[MattyW]

1 minute ago, betty boop said:

the black seats ? i reckon thats better anyways.. the light seats in the seal we have seen already photos where its looking quite stained with just regular use... black be more practical...

 

2-4 weeks will fly ! thats almost the time we are looking on getting our polestar ..though all quiet from that front in the last week  

Yeah, probably better in terms of my daughter making a mess. I rarely have time to spend cleaning the car either. A couple of times a year at most really and this will make for a second car.

[betty boop]

3 minutes ago, MattyW said:

Yeah, probably better in terms of my daughter making a mess. I rarely have time to spend cleaning the car either. A couple of times a year at most really and this will make for a second car.

ive been getting lazy too ..for few times a year it gets a thorough clean i have been taking it ot the shopping centre guys as too time poor

 

yep in our little mini ev i had the choice of a green one with a nice white leather interior or the red with black leather as we got. thank goodness we never got the white leather ...  

 

same with our polestar 2.. the white leather got knocked back on grounds be too hard to keep clean plus it was full perforated which would be a nightmare with all the stuff likely fall in there  so we have gone the easy clean "vegan" option instead...  

Edited November 28, 2023 by betty boop

[MattyW]

Yeah, I get it only too well. Time is more valuable than money.

[betty boop]

the stupidity the vic gov dreamed up with the ev road tax that got put a stop to in the courts will finally get refunded to ev owners 

 

in 24 ...and with interest. hopefully sends a message to the other states that were contemplating similar..

 

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/ev-owners-to-receive-tax-refunds-with-interest-by-early-2024-20231129-p5enmv.html

 

i never had a problem paying it.. just the silly way it was administered and that it was state trying to move in on fed space.. so good that got called out ..

 

definitely leaves gate open for the feds though hopefully they learn something from the vic debacle ! 

 

 

[betty boop]

 

https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-superchargers-are-now-more-expensive-than-petrol-or-diesel-for-non-tesla-ev-drivers/

some interesting comparison of public charging vs cost with petrol ... 

 

That said, an average electric vehicle will return around 20kWh/100km on a touring cycle. If the driver recharges at a Tesla site, it will cost around $17 per 100km. Even a more efficient vehicle like a Hyundai Ioniq 6 will cost $14.45 per 100km if it averages 17kWh/100km.

With 95RON petrol and diesel both about $2.05 per litre, a petrol car that averages 7.4L/100km will cost $15.17 per 100km, and a diesel car that averages 5.7L/100km will cost $11.69 per 100km.

 

ive in nearly 2 years not needed to pay for public charging yet... all public charging has been free for us so far...

 

and home charging over night is $1.20 a 100 km or less if we use solar.. and the sign up bonus even for our ev plan pretty much pays for our use .. so the ev has been negligible impact on our power bill. 

[proftournesol]

12 minutes ago, betty boop said:

the stupidity the vic gov dreamed up with the ev road tax that got put a stop to in the courts will finally get refunded to ev owners 

 

in 24 ...and with interest. hopefully sends a message to the other states that were contemplating similar..

 

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/ev-owners-to-receive-tax-refunds-with-interest-by-early-2024-20231129-p5enmv.html

 

i never had a problem paying it.. just the silly way it was administered and that it was state trying to move in on fed space.. so good that got called out ..

 

definitely leaves gate open for the feds though hopefully they learn something from the vic debacle ! 

 

 

Great news, They owe me around $2,000

[betty boop]

2 minutes ago, proftournesol said:

Great news, They owe me around $2,000

that will be very nice indeed to get back and with interest. 

 

they only owe me in realm of 100s as only owned for coming upto 2 years.... but good ot get that back  

 

the feds havent said they are in any rush to jam something in this early in life cycle of ev adoption either ... whcih is the sensible approach ...

[proftournesol]

50 minutes ago, betty boop said:

that will be very nice indeed to get back and with interest. 

 

they only owe me in realm of 100s as only owned for coming upto 2 years.... but good ot get that back  

 

the feds havent said they are in any rush to jam something in this early in life cycle of ev adoption either ... whcih is the sensible approach ...

It's the rural EV tax; we are forced to drive further as there are few viable no-car options outside cities and very large towns, and we get less spent on our roads that are in terrible condition. They won't refund the money I sent on suspension rebuilds in two cars around $10k - all from road condition related damage

[betty boop]

not sure about opinions, i'll give you some facts too  

they have only so far managed to make 10 units ...after 5 years  ? 

https://www.motor1.com/news/698758/2024-tesla-cybertruck-delivery-event-info/

 

the over $60k usd (was supposed to be 40k usd wont be available till 2025 ? what will the price for it be then ? 

 

the only one coming next year is a dual motor that will sell for $80k usd so twice the price elon was talking about the cyber truck

 

theres eve na cyber beast thing at 100k usd... and apparently that is before options  not seen anything of when this beast will come...

 

not that anything is coming here any time either ...

 

 

[MattyW]

Ugliest vehicle I’ve ever seen…. Looks similar to the vehicle Homer Simpson designed…..

[Neo]

Thoroughly enjoyed watching this episode and a far better take on the cyber truck review that top gear did. Also this podcast is a must after watching this review, podcast is first one and review is the second link. I believe Jason Cammisa is the only journalist who outside of top gear did the review like that. 
Neo

 

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by Neo