betty boop Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 (edited) The brand new Skoda Enyaq ev is out ... yep this is the one coming here this year.. what a looker and car of quality... as skoda typically does.. this will be quite a hit here i suspect... available RWD and AWD and in a few forms too in Coupe and SUV styles.. very sleek and love the exterior colours.. and yep the signature umbrella in driver side and passenger side doors... Edited January 8 by betty boop
betty boop Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 More fun stuff its coming thick and fast BYD's Yangwang U9 super car with its jumping suspension to clear pot holes and this is with it driving itself
joz Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 9:32 AM, betty boop said: In Norway, nearly all new cars sold in 2024 were fully electric https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/norway-nearly-all-new-cars-sold-2024-were-fully-electric-2025-01-02/ norway is good example where folks have just stopped buying ice pretty much ... Good article as shows not only the carrot and stick approach and how its worked.. and just because 90% overall for 2024 ev sales and that doesnt mean they are only things on the road... the main holdouts are tourists ... yep the blow ins... "The main buyers of ICE (internal combustion engine) cars in Norway are rental companies because many tourists are not familiar with EVs," said Hekneby. more and more fuel bowsers are being replaced with electric chargers... "Within the next three years we will have at least as many charging stalls as we have pumps for fuel," said Anders Kleve Svela, a senior manager at Circle K, Norway's largest fuel retailer. and they expect 50% EVs in next 3 years.. and have to ramp up their charging for it .. interesting from the article to see sales of EV around the world ... our new car sales of EV was 7.4% for 2024 ...so we have a bit of a way to go to catch up to all these other places in the world ... Expand yes and by 2025 this year they plan to sell only EVs. But this didn’t just happen as a natural occurrence or purely for the love of EVs but by heavily incentivised initiatives while basically penalising ICE vehicles. Deals deals and more deals, I’m sure it would happen anywhere if a government offered the same cost saving incentives. 1
betty boop Posted January 8 Author Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 12:19 PM, joz said: yes and by 2025 this year they plan to sell only EVs. But this didn’t just happen as a natural occurrence or purely for the love of EVs but by heavily incentivised initiatives while basically penalising ICE vehicles. Expand Absolutely if watch the little video in the article , it’s exactly what it says. It shows what commitment can achieve. A long term commitment and one that’s gone through and been supported by multiple governments they’ve had. And yes it’s both carrot and stick. And also as they say no automobiles lobby to grab them offcourse …
joz Posted January 8 Posted January 8 Good for them, but it was never about the people’s love of EVs which is what it seems alluded to.
NonPlayableCharacter Posted January 8 Posted January 8 With 95% power from hydro in Norway, that is the primary reason why the market forces (consumer habits and government power policy) support the move away from ICE. They aren't greenwashing the same way as Germany are, for example (no nuclear, lots of brown coal etc). Nuclear here, coupled with a better renewable s landscape could be a catalyst for faster uptake. Wind and solar need to develop more so that their end of life recycling options improve markedly. Right now wind is just pushing the issue from avoiding fossil fuels to creating a landfill problem in a couple of decades - more greenwashing. It's interesting that the lobbyists have shanghaied hybrids into the EV label to make uptake look better. Just because you want it, doesn't make it so. It's a bit like when the global warming label was rebranded as climate change. 2
rantan Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 10:58 PM, El Tel said: more greenwashing. Expand This is their bread and butter. On 08/01/2025 at 10:58 PM, El Tel said: It's interesting that the lobbyists have shanghaied hybrids into the EV label to make uptake look better. Expand They will do anything and everything they can to spread the propaganda. As mentioned,this lobby group is happy to disseminate to try to put green lipstick on a pig. 1
aussievintage Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 08/01/2025 at 10:58 PM, El Tel said: Nuclear here, coupled with a better renewable s landscape could be a catalyst for faster uptake. Expand Yes it could. Keep the renewables closer, physically, to the existing grid as well, same as nuclear, and we start to define a better more efficient target than the current government scheme. On 08/01/2025 at 10:58 PM, El Tel said: Wind and solar need to develop more so that their end of life recycling options improve markedly. Right now wind is just pushing the issue from avoiding fossil fuels to creating a landfill problem in a couple of decades - more greenwashing. Expand True. The monkeys have their fingers in their ears and eyes covered about this stuff though - definitely "see and hear no evil" On 08/01/2025 at 10:58 PM, El Tel said: It's interesting that the lobbyists have shanghaied hybrids into the EV label to make uptake look better. Just because you want it, doesn't make it so. It's a bit like when the global warming label was rebranded as climate change. Expand Yes, it's enough to make one cynical 1
Cloth Ears Posted January 8 Posted January 8 On 09/12/2024 at 12:00 AM, betty boop said: On 08/12/2024 at 11:29 PM, AudioGeek said: @betty boop no doubt that Ioniq 5N is a brilliant drivers car, virually everyone who drives one agrees. But its not selling in Aus, can get big discounts on unsold '23 plates. For Hyundai to really disrupt this market segment needs to be priced Golf R or Type R money. The A45s/RS3 price bracket is hard to crack. And its approaching M2 money. Expand pretty nice am sure... just not something i would buy ...so can understand if someone else doesnt .... i prefer little hot hatches ... its a hot suv.. so cant really be priced like golf r or type r type money for that they have the i30N .. instead have to look at the sporty suvs..and electric ones.. there is a market for those why something like porsche macan sells so well.. since why porsche has moved across to 100% EV for its current one... economy is pretty sh!te right though and quite possible folks looking in that segment dont quite see what want in it ... badge and price as review says... Hyundai and kia have been decidedly moving up market for years.. when we were looking at buying our mazda 3 a decade ago...hyundia was trying to price it like mazda which we didnt think warranted. mazda has moved up market since as well and hyundai wants to keep moving further up.. not sure the sales are supporting that move sporty premium electrics can work.. why bmw's i4 m50 is most popular M car for bmw... taycan is an awesome thing too.... Expand Had one of these Ioniq 5N's for the weekend recently. Didn't get to drive it very far as I was working on that weekend - but when I did, I really enjoyed it. Has the sort of acceleration that I used to get from the old ZZR1100. But a bit heavy for really TOTL cornering and too much hard driving would cost you a fortune in tyres. If we were in the market for a larger SUV (Mrs CE has a Kona N) then it might be an option - but we're not (at the moment). Some weird things in the set-up, though. When I first started driving it, it sounded like a big 4-cylinder turbo - until I realised it was being pumped through the stereo. Once you turn that off and you can just hear the electric motors it sounds much better and you can understand what's going on. 1
NonPlayableCharacter Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 08/01/2025 at 11:47 PM, Cloth Ears said: Had one of these Ioniq 5N's for the weekend recently. Didn't get to drive it very far as I was working on that weekend - but when I did, I really enjoyed it. Has the sort of acceleration that I used to get from the old ZZR1100. But a bit heavy for really TOTL cornering and too much hard driving would cost you a fortune in tyres. Expand Yep. This. Really wanted to like the 5N and it delivers on straight-line performance. Let's face it, anything sub 4sec to 100kmh is shifting. Mrs Tel's A45 (at a book 3.9s to 100kmh) would be trailing in a drag, for sure. But point-to-point up the mountain near me, it would be no contest and I'd be halfway back down by the time the 5N got to the top. You can't alter the laws of physics and weight matters when it comes to cornering and braking. I can feel the extra weight in my C63 with the small battery and electric motor on top of the ICE, and at 2.1 tonnes, it is a porker. The 4-matic drive-train does a good job at hiding it, but the fact is, the tyres give up and lose adhesion at lower cornering forces than the A45 due to the weight. I know the A45 would best that over the twisties too. If we wanted acceleration alone, dollars-to-doughnuts, you'd take an electric motor vehicle with all of the torque available immediately. Fact is, we're not talking about just the proposition of personal transport here, many of us are most definitely still trying to find the things that give some kind of involvement, enjoyment and feeling back to us; and in my experience of driving a few different EVs, hybrids and pure ICE, the weight and handling characteristics thereon make lardy cars an absolute snoozefest. As Colin Chapman said: "Simplify, then add lightness". You can keep the hypothetical dollar savings of running a battery pack on wheels, frankly. I've maybe got another 2 decades to go and I'll be damned if I want to leave an extra buck in the piggy bank. It would be like going vegetarian; "oh, you'll live another 5 years!", "hmmm, great... 5 more miserable, meatless years". I do think the comparison conundrum is worthy of consideration in the whole discussion rather than the blind worship of new tech. If new tech delivers on weight, we start to move the dial. Exotic materials like carbon fibre, ceramics, magnesium and aluminium have improved cars over the last few decades, it remains to be seen how long it takes for the biggest offender in EVs to get the diet needed for an actual step-change. 3
Cloth Ears Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 12:23 AM, El Tel said: As Colin Chapman said: "Simplify, then add lightness". Expand It's why I really wanted to win the lottery a few years back...a big one. As the Lotus Evija would be just too much fun not to own one!
Steff Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 6:02 AM, Cloth Ears said: It's why I really wanted to win the lottery a few years back...a big one. Expand Me, I would go B I G speakers in the home, small vehicle. But to each their vroom
NonPlayableCharacter Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 6:02 AM, Cloth Ears said: It's why I really wanted to win the lottery a few years back...a big one. As the Lotus Evija would be just too much fun not to own one! Expand I owned a S1 Elise back in the day. Barely 100kW and 680kg. So much corner speed and so much grip. Crappy cable gear linkage was the only negative. Brilliant car.
aussievintage Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 6:33 AM, El Tel said: Crappy cable gear linkage was the only negative Expand Ha, experienced that in a little Morris 1500 OHC. Damn cables stretched and it kept popping out of 5th gear. 1
AudioGeek Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 6:33 AM, El Tel said: I owned a S1 Elise back in the day. Barely 100kW and 680kg. So much corner speed and so much grip. Crappy cable gear linkage was the only negative. Brilliant car. Expand Do you track your cars? No way I could reach the limits of my A45s on the street - unless being to total tosser (perhaps in my younger days). I attended a Hyundai track day - where they were trying to offload demo vehicles with heavy discounts. Unfortunately the hot laps were not timed, more about "experiencing" and proving the 5n. Have been going to Eastern creek on and off for > 30yrs. To me the 5n felt faster and just as much fun as my A45s around the track. Counterintuitively the tech options made it more involving to drive and try things. After a few laps - had to let it cool down (the A45s has same issue). Battery useage was diabolical! End of lease on my A45s, but I might hang on to it. The next gen EVs and battery advances should make a big difference. EV is still an infant. No way I will ever get rid of my petrol guzzling Falcon! But it does run on E85 which is supposedly "greener".
ICUToo Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 12:23 AM, El Tel said: Yep. This. Really wanted to like the 5N and it delivers on straight-line performance. Let's face it, anything sub 4sec to 100kmh is shifting. Mrs Tel's A45 (at a book 3.9s to 100kmh) would be trailing in a drag, for sure. But point-to-point up the mountain near me, it would be no contest and I'd be halfway back down by the time the 5N got to the top. You can't alter the laws of physics and weight matters when it comes to cornering and braking. I can feel the extra weight in my C63 with the small battery and electric motor on top of the ICE, and at 2.1 tonnes, it is a porker. The 4-matic drive-train does a good job at hiding it, but the fact is, the tyres give up and lose adhesion at lower cornering forces than the A45 due to the weight. I know the A45 would best that over the twisties too. If we wanted acceleration alone, dollars-to-doughnuts, you'd take an electric motor vehicle with all of the torque available immediately. Fact is, we're not talking about just the proposition of personal transport here, many of us are most definitely still trying to find the things that give some kind of involvement, enjoyment and feeling back to us; and in my experience of driving a few different EVs, hybrids and pure ICE, the weight and handling characteristics thereon make lardy cars an absolute snoozefest. As Colin Chapman said: "Simplify, then add lightness". You can keep the hypothetical dollar savings of running a battery pack on wheels, frankly. I've maybe got another 2 decades to go and I'll be damned if I want to leave an extra buck in the piggy bank. It would be like going vegetarian; "oh, you'll live another 5 years!", "hmmm, great... 5 more miserable, meatless years". I do think the comparison conundrum is worthy of consideration in the whole discussion rather than the blind worship of new tech. If new tech delivers on weight, we start to move the dial. Exotic materials like carbon fibre, ceramics, magnesium and aluminium have improved cars over the last few decades, it remains to be seen how long it takes for the biggest offender in EVs to get the diet needed for an actual step-change. Expand Are you as selective with your facts as the "lobby" (exactly who or what is that?) that you bad-mouth? The A45 is a crap car- I owned one. Some fake rorty exhaust noises for the puerile who can't do without alerting everyone else to what they've got and the interior space of a non-functioning TARDIS. And to judge a car by how fast it is point-to-point while owning a tokenised status symbol that struggles to deliver by that same yardstick seems profoundly hypocritical. EVs need MUCH less energy to do their job than ICE cars do. That is all we need to know to understand that they would be a better solution to private transport than ICE cars, and we should all get on board when we can. Despite being a MATURE technology, oil-derived fuels and their mining have been and are very damaging to the environment and their use should be minimised, while we quickly mature EV tech (namely, batteries and the minerals required) for a cleaner, quieter future. It seems to me that you deliberately make some concessions to EV in your posts (pretending to present a balanced view), only to then decry them to an even greater extent (which is apparently your actual agenda). You have the opportunity to influence others for the better. I am unsure why you don't use it. 1
aussievintage Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) (I always wanted to be the one to post this ) Edited January 9 by aussievintage 1 2
betty boop Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 On 08/01/2025 at 11:47 PM, Cloth Ears said: Had one of these Ioniq 5N's for the weekend recently. Didn't get to drive it very far as I was working on that weekend - but when I did, I really enjoyed it. Has the sort of acceleration that I used to get from the old ZZR1100. But a bit heavy for really TOTL cornering and too much hard driving would cost you a fortune in tyres. Expand Ah good to hear got to check this one out ! It’s been catching a bit of attention of the press it would have some pretty instant acceleration and phenomenal grip I am thinking … but yeah still a suv and heavy one so likely feel like it … can imagine going through tyres especially depending how it’s driven Hyundai has a ioniq6N also in the works from what understand … re weight or lack there off is why I love my little mini ev … always loved small and light cars the ev version is only some 100kg more than exact spec petrol version cooper s that doesn’t handle or go as well as the ev On 08/01/2025 at 11:47 PM, Cloth Ears said: If we were in the market for a larger SUV (Mrs CE has a Kona N) then it might be an option - but we're not (at the moment). Expand Kia has some interesting cars coming and understand they might do a gt version which is like the Ns that Hyundais do … On 08/01/2025 at 11:47 PM, Cloth Ears said: Some weird things in the set-up, though. When I first started driving it, it sounded like a big 4-cylinder turbo - until I realised it was being pumped through the stereo. Once you turn that off and you can just hear the electric motors it sounds much better and you can understand what's going on. Expand ha now this interesting ! My last ice car in bmw m140i was very interesting in that way … it used to sound like an f1 car in way the creamy twin scroll turbo straight six spun up… but guess what that was all fake yep piped in from rear speakers they had to even with bi modal factory exhaust because of sound deadening etc cars run today ! You could turn this off via bimmer code and the car would sound sh!te so we all switched it all back on hehe. I get what you are saying though … I don’t need no fake noises infact love the little fighter jet like whistle of my mini ev as you take off … literally whoosh …. If it’s like a mig fighter … our twin motor polestar 2 is like f1 11 with the thrum as they wind up … it might as well have afterburners too way it kicks off the line
betty boop Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 8:45 AM, AudioGeek said: Do you track your cars? No way I could reach the limits of my A45s on the street - unless being to total tosser (perhaps in my younger days). Expand road going cars are SO good these days.. i would have to be driving like a lunatic in either of our EVs to reach their limits i think... On 09/01/2025 at 8:45 AM, AudioGeek said: I attended a Hyundai track day - where they were trying to offload demo vehicles with heavy discounts. Unfortunately the hot laps were not timed, more about "experiencing" and proving the 5n. Have been going to Eastern creek on and off for > 30yrs. To me the 5n felt faster and just as much fun as my A45s around the track. Counterintuitively the tech options made it more involving to drive and try things. After a few laps - had to let it cool down (the A45s has same issue). Battery useage was diabolical! Expand great to hear you had the chance EVs i find certainly feel faster.. eg my little mini ev though actually slower than the bmw m140i i had .. the mini still feels faster .. its the instant rush it has... the chuckable nature of the mini.. amazing grip and low centre of gravity, the way it changes direction, starts stops all i love infact a go cart driver took both my little mini cooper SE EV and its exact petrol version Cooper S around the track and it was the electric one that was faster around the track and handled better ... 1
betty boop Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 BIG news here for those chasing bargains ... BYD has resisted a long while.. but then its dolphin hasnt been making waves so $6900 off the price and it's dropping in now under $30k ! https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/first-electric-car-under-30000-new-2025-byd-dolphin-grade-slashes-6900-off-its-entry-price
betty boop Posted January 9 Author Posted January 9 the australian government is rolling out more carrots .. now for cheap loans for small business ot get into electric cars and utes https://www.armidaleexpress.com.au/story/8862315/cheap-loans-for-firms-to-accelerate-electric-cars-utes/?src=rss "Small businesses will be steered towards electric cars, trucks, utes and forklifts with taxpayer-funded low-interest loans to accelerate uptake. Another $50 million partnership between the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC) and lender Metro Finance will get more Australian businesses into the market, Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen said on Thursday. Eligible customers financing a $60,000 EV could save about $1700 in interest over five years with the independent Australian non-bank lender."
aussievintage Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 10:35 AM, betty boop said: the australian government is rolling out more carrots .. Expand more wasted tax dollars - bring on the election On 09/01/2025 at 10:33 AM, betty boop said: but then its dolphin hasnt been making waves so $6900 off the price and it's dropping in now under $30k ! Expand How can this be happening when the claim is that EV sales are skyrocketing? False claim? 1
AudioGeek Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 11:03 AM, aussievintage said: more wasted tax dollars - bring on the election How can this be happening when the claim is that EV sales are skyrocketing? False claim? Expand Theres a lot more to it than that. Its a new lower spec variant for the market. Also, Chinese "dumping" of EVs is a thing at the moment with downturn locally in China, combined with potential tightening of import rules in USA and UK/Europe. We will benefit as EVs will get cheaper in Aus!
aussievintage Posted January 9 Posted January 9 On 09/01/2025 at 11:08 AM, AudioGeek said: Theres a lot more to it than that. Its a new lower spec variant for the market. Also, Chinese "dumping" of EVs is a thing at the moment with downturn locally in China, combined with potential tightening of import rules in USA and UK/Europe. We will benefit as EVs will get cheaper in Aus! Expand Doesn't make sense. With that happening, then the government would not need to be supplying incentives.
AudioGeek Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) On 09/01/2025 at 11:10 AM, aussievintage said: Doesn't make sense. With that happening, then the government would not need to be supplying incentives. Expand Maybe not to you, but many in the country want to make sure we have more secure and reliable energy solutions. Importing oil (a lot of current world oil is from Iran and Russia) seems an old and flawed idea. Then there is the whole "green" idea, being overstated in some ways. Edit: also federal govt chasing green votes..... Edited January 9 by AudioGeek
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