Stereophilus Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 17 minutes ago, Antran said: @Stereophilus would you prefer pmc mb-2se to be hook up with Audio Research or Mola Mola I’m very happy with the Mola Mola Kaluga monos. Transparent and extended. Fast and detailed. They remain my choice. There is nothing wrong with the thick, languid sound of the AR amps. It just wasn’t for me.
Antran Posted June 24, 2019 Posted June 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stereophilus said: I’m very happy with the Mola Mola Kaluga monos. Transparent and extended. Fast and detailed. They remain my choice. There is nothing wrong with the thick, languid sound of the AR amps. It just wasn’t for me. thanks
Irek Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 On 23/06/2019 at 1:16 PM, AussieMick said: Does anyone own or has heard the Twenty5.sub? I’m thinking about adding one to my Twenty5.22 I think it would be better to switch to twenty5.24. 1
AussieMick Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 I think it would be better to switch to twenty5.24. Because...
Irek Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 2 hours ago, AussieMick said: Because... Because the subwoofer will make a great improvement but soon after very likely you will want to have another one for stereo. 1
needlerunner Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 thanksHi steriopThinking on your comment. When you say it's not your sound...but going on my philosophy of, particularly high end kit, that there is no bad sound; but different sound. Could a case be mounted that over time and with extensive listening. That you would like that sound? Either through natural progression. Or the fact/myth, based on ones perspective, of training ones brain to adjust to liking it? Or is it a load of crap and you will never like it?Thought it was time for a deep and meaningful. Plus I'm bored[emoji56]
needlerunner Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 Because...Do the twenty-five.24s have more bass?
Irek Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, needlerunner said: 6 hours ago, AussieMick said: Because... Do the twenty-five.24s have more bass? Definitely.
gillmaverick Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, needlerunner said: 6 hours ago, AussieMick said: Because... Do the twenty-five.24s have more bass? Hi Mate , I have the previous version .24 speakers. These do have good bass but not in my room. Room affects bass rersponse of speakers. I have 2 X Subsonics that I use for bass as PMCs struggle with it. It is my room reacting to the speakers rather than speakers lacking bass. My set up is in the basement so no furnishings at all. I made a couple of bass traps using earthwool from bunnings but not much help. Sub-sonics do an amazing job though. Cheers 1
AussieMick Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 Thanks to all. Yes, I should explore going bigger. But, if I’m going to move to a floorstander, I’ll look at the .26 as well. However, a sub will give me more flexibility in placement, so I can not have the problem of losing the bass the larger speaker could provide. As for two subs for stereo, I’ve never been sold on it, although I admit it’s been a while since I last heard a set up like that.
sfdoddsy Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 (edited) Due to spousal and new home restrictions, I’m looking at smallish floorstanders with good bass and the love for PMC shown on this thread makes them a contender. And I love the look of the walnut versions. However, I’m also a historic DIY speaker builder and thus a bit of an objectivist. And the only PMC review I’ve found with decent measurements is objectively not very good. Although they subjectively loved them. https://www.soundstagenetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=775%3Anrc-measurements-pmc-twenty24-loudspeakers&catid=77%3Aloudspeaker-measurements&Itemid=18 Is that hole in the mid-bass and tipped up treble audible in room? Do you set them up different to more classically balanced speakers, ie listen off-axis? Edited June 25, 2019 by sfdoddsy
Irek Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, sfdoddsy said: Due to spousal and new home restrictions, I’m looking at smallish floorstanders with good bass and the love for PMC shown on this thread makes them a contender. And I love the look of the walnut versions. However, I’m also a historic DIY speaker builder and thus a bit of an objectivist. And the only PMC review I’ve found with decent measurements is objectively not very good. Although they subjectively loved them. https://www.soundstagenetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=775%3Anrc-measurements-pmc-twenty24-loudspeakers&catid=77%3Aloudspeaker-measurements&Itemid=18 Is that hole in the mid-bass and tipped up treble audible in room? Do you set them up different to more classically balanced speakers, ie listen off-axis? Feel free to visit lifestylestore in Paramatta.
audio_file Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 49 minutes ago, sfdoddsy said: Is that hole in the mid-bass and tipped up treble audible in room? The bass sounded even to me and I didn't notice any hole in the upper bass/lower mids. Perhaps it's a room problem.
AussieMick Posted June 25, 2019 Posted June 25, 2019 Due to spousal and new home restrictions, I’m looking at smallish floorstanders with good bass and the love for PMC shown on this thread makes them a contender. And I love the look of the walnut versions. However, I’m also a historic DIY speaker builder and thus a bit of an objectivist. And the only PMC review I’ve found with decent measurements is objectively not very good. Although they subjectively loved them. https://www.soundstagenetwork.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=775%3Anrc-measurements-pmc-twenty24-loudspeakers&catid=77%3Aloudspeaker-measurements&Itemid=18 Is that hole in the mid-bass and tipped up treble audible in room? Do you set them up different to more classically balanced speakers, ie listen off-axis?That’s also the superseded model. Check out the Twenty5.24 instead.
DAMO 1147 Posted July 1, 2019 Posted July 1, 2019 Did the PMC25 . 26's in the classify thread get pulled by the mods?
Candyflip Posted July 1, 2019 Posted July 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, DAMO 1147 said: Did the PMC25 . 26's in the classify thread get pulled by the mods? Yes. 1
Formula409 Posted July 1, 2019 Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) Hi All, PMC Twenty.22 owner here. I’ve read through this entire thread (almost) and other internet sources. Curious about peoples experience with placement as I’ve read conflicting opinions / advice. In my particular circumstances (and I mean room constraints) I find the PMCs to be VERY picky. For context: - The room is about 3.7m by 4.5m. - The speakers are on the short wall (3.7m) and located on PMC speaker stands. - There is no wall next to the right speaker (as it opens into a long hall) - The left speaker is bound by a full length sliding window (which I can open) which effectively removes the boundary. - The left hand wall has full length curtains (thick block out ones) running the whole length of the wall, which diffuses reflections nicely. - The right hand wall has a long 3 seat sofa which does help somewhat with diffusion, however acoustic panels or similar on the wall above would be ideal. - The listening position is on the opposite wall (plush couch and recliner). It’s not an ideal position but it’s what I have to work with. - I can get very good results, smooth mids, highs, great soundstage and good bass with the speakers placed at the outer edges of the 3.7m wall. - The left speaker can remain in this position, however the right cannot as it will obscure the entry to the linen cupboard. Also we’ve a little one on the way and I will eventually need to limit access to the speaker which I cannot do when the speaker placed in front of a linen cupboard door that will be frequently accessed. The issue - Moving the speakers any closer together (even by 100mm) and the performance beings to diminish and a massive bass null develops over almost the entire listening position area. - I think this likely a function of my listening position being against the opposite wall. Locating the speakers at the extremities of the opposite wall seem to rectify this. - When the speaker are located closer together I’ve tried adjusting the orientation from straight ahead to toed in directly facing the center listening position and nothing does the trick adequately. The bass simply goes missing. - I’ve a set of Monitor Audio Silver 1 bookshelf speakers, which when used in the same room do not suffer the bass null issue. Unfortunately their performance doesn’t otherwise match the PMCs and they lack the “upper range airiness and smooth sparkle” which I love. Could this perhaps be due to the characteristics of the PMC front facing port (and ATL design) vs the conventional enclosure and rear facing port of the Monitor Audio? Does anyone have thoughts on this based on similar experience? I’m not sure what I will do at this point. However I may have to find a compromise (downgrade) with a different speaker and put the PMCs up for sale. Thanks Chris Edited July 1, 2019 by Bikkitz
audio_file Posted July 1, 2019 Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bikkitz said: Hi All, PMC Twenty.22 owner here. I’ve read through this entire thread (almost) and other internet sources. Curious about peoples experience with placement as I’ve read conflicting opinions / advice. In my particular circumstances (and I mean room constraints) I find the PMCs to be VERY picky. For context: - The room is about 3.7m by 4.5m. - The speakers are on the short wall (3.7m) and located on PMC speaker stands. - There is no wall next to the right speaker (as it opens into a long hall) - The left speaker is bound by a full length sliding window (which I can open) which effectively removes the boundary. - The left hand wall has full length curtains (thick block out ones) running the whole length of the wall, which diffuses reflections nicely. - The right hand wall has a long 3 seat sofa which does help somewhat with diffusion, however acoustic panels or similar on the wall above would be ideal. - The listening position is on the opposite wall (plush couch and recliner). It’s not an ideal position but it’s what I have to work with. - I can get very good results, smooth mids, highs, great soundstage and good bass with the speakers placed at the outer edges of the 3.7m wall. - The left speaker can remain in this position, however the right cannot as it will obscure the entry to the linen cupboard. Also we’ve a little one on the way and I will eventually need to limit access to the speaker – which I cannot do when it’s in front for a linen cupboard door we need to access. The issue - Moving the speakers any closer together (even by 100mm) and the performance beings to diminish and a massive bass null develops over almost the entire listening position area. - I think this likely a function of my listening position being against the opposite wall. Locating the speakers at the extremities of the opposite wall seem to rectify this. - When the speaker are located closer together I’ve tried adjusting the orientation from straight ahead to toed in directly facing the center listening position and nothing does the trick adequately. The bass simply goes missing. - I’ve a set of Monitor Audio Silver 1 bookshelf speakers, which when used in the same room do not suffer the bass null issue. Unfortunately their performance doesn’t otherwise match the PMCs and they lack the “upper range airiness and smooth sparkle” which I love. Could this perhaps be due to the characteristics of the PMC front facing port (and ATL design) vs the conventional enclosure and rear facing port of the Monitor Audio? Does anyone have thoughts on this based on similar experience? I’m not sure what I will do at this point. However I may have to find a compromise (downgrade) with a different speaker and put the PMCs up for sale. Thanks Chris I had similar problems, plus overblown bass (however the 22s should be less of an issue with this) in the same sort of position, and I ended up compromising with couch position instead. Before I fixed the results, the speakers were against the one wall and the couch against the opposite wall. Edited July 2, 2019 by audio_file
blakey72 Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Bikkitz said: Hi All, PMC Twenty.22 owner here. I’ve read through this entire thread (almost) and other internet sources. Curious about peoples experience with placement as I’ve read conflicting opinions / advice. In my particular circumstances (and I mean room constraints) I find the PMCs to be VERY picky. For context: - The room is about 3.7m by 4.5m. - The speakers are on the short wall (3.7m) and located on PMC speaker stands. - There is no wall next to the right speaker (as it opens into a long hall) - The left speaker is bound by a full length sliding window (which I can open) which effectively removes the boundary. - The left hand wall has full length curtains (thick block out ones) running the whole length of the wall, which diffuses reflections nicely. - The right hand wall has a long 3 seat sofa which does help somewhat with diffusion, however acoustic panels or similar on the wall above would be ideal. - The listening position is on the opposite wall (plush couch and recliner). It’s not an ideal position but it’s what I have to work with. - I can get very good results, smooth mids, highs, great soundstage and good bass with the speakers placed at the outer edges of the 3.7m wall. - The left speaker can remain in this position, however the right cannot as it will obscure the entry to the linen cupboard. Also we’ve a little one on the way and I will eventually need to limit access to the speaker which I cannot do when the speaker placed in front of a linen cupboard door that will be frequently accessed. The issue - Moving the speakers any closer together (even by 100mm) and the performance beings to diminish and a massive bass null develops over almost the entire listening position area. - I think this likely a function of my listening position being against the opposite wall. Locating the speakers at the extremities of the opposite wall seem to rectify this. - When the speaker are located closer together I’ve tried adjusting the orientation from straight ahead to toed in directly facing the center listening position and nothing does the trick adequately. The bass simply goes missing. - I’ve a set of Monitor Audio Silver 1 bookshelf speakers, which when used in the same room do not suffer the bass null issue. Unfortunately their performance doesn’t otherwise match the PMCs and they lack the “upper range airiness and smooth sparkle” which I love. Could this perhaps be due to the characteristics of the PMC front facing port (and ATL design) vs the conventional enclosure and rear facing port of the Monitor Audio? Does anyone have thoughts on this based on similar experience? I’m not sure what I will do at this point. However I may have to find a compromise (downgrade) with a different speaker and put the PMCs up for sale. Thanks Chris Same happens in my 4m x 4m room. You are sitting where low frequency waves cancel out each other. And yes I'd say the rear ports of the MA's are making the difference. You are probably bouncing off the rear wall therefore changing the positioning of the waves as they reach you (just guessing). A pic or two of the room would be good. You also need to toe them in so the point to a point roughly 1m behind your head. So toed out a little. Sitting against the back wall is THE worst place to sit in the room! Believe me, I know cause thats where I have to sit (WAF). Where listening seriously I pull the couch about 1m forward. Oh, my pmc's are still laying in their coffin waiting for a replacement woofer.....very sad.. Edited July 2, 2019 by blakey72
RCADees Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 24 minutes ago, blakey72 said: Same happens in my 4m x 4m room. You are sitting where low frequency waves cancel out each other. And yes I'd say the rear ports of the MA's are making the difference. You are probably bouncing off the rear wall therefore changing the positioning of the waves as they reach you (just guessing). A pic or two of the room would be good. You also need to toe them in so the point to a point roughly 1m behind your head. So toed out a little. Sitting against the back wall is THE worst place to sit in the room! Believe me, I know cause thats where I have to sit (WAF). Where listening seriously I pull the couch about 1m forward. Oh, my pmc's are still laying in their coffin waiting for a replacement woofer.....very sad.. Hi there. Newby here. I have been reading this thread for a while as I am dying to own a pair of PMCs Twenty5.22 after audition recently. They truly blew me away. Sorry to read about your PMCs. Sounds like a nightmare. I've been saving really hard for a pair of and I just couldn't think about something like that happening to A$5k speakers let alone something better. Hopefully you'll get those woofers soon and they'll sing again!
blakey72 Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Andpi said: Hi there. Newby here. I have been reading this thread for a while as I am dying to own a pair of PMCs Twenty5.22 after audition recently. They truly blew me away. Sorry to read about your PMCs. Sounds like a nightmare. I've been saving really hard for a pair of and I just couldn't think about something like that happening to A$5k speakers let alone something better. Hopefully you'll get those woofers soon and they'll sing again! Hi Andpi, keep saving mate and you'll get what you want. They are a great sounding speaker that just seem to disappear into the room. Do you have an amp to run them with yet or is that the next stage? yeah the ol' blown woofer is a nightmare. Just haven't got the dollars for it atm and it could be a four month wait even if I paid now. They said they may need to wait till the next PMC production run
RCADees Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 Hi, there. Yes very excited indeed about owning something that good! I currently have a Rega Brio R and are planning a renovation, so for now it makes sense to wait until I can provide a nicer home for the Twenty5.22 My partner couldn't accept that I would consider spending so much money on a pair of speakers while we have to save for a renovation, but I was able to convince her to allow me to purchase the PMCs plus an amplifier to run them as part of the renovation budget! So hopefully in about 12-18 months? In the meantime I am searching for the winning pairing amp. I am a big Rega fan and I simply love the sound that the Rega Brio R gives so I am very keen to follow that path. I was considering the Rega Elex R. The sales person at Carlton Audiovisual here in Melbourne seems to think that these speakers need something with more power to run properly, even more than what the Rega Elicit R would push. I checked the PMC website and the twenty5.22 seem to be easier to run than even the Twenty5. 21 as they are 8ohm and I think 90db sensitivity. Do any owners of PMCs have any experience pairing Twenty5.22 with any of those Rega amps? Thanks for any advice and great thread by the way
blakey72 Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 @Andpi the PMC's do like a generous serve of good current. I'm in your boat, love Rega gear too. The Brio will run them fine as I used to run mine with an Exposure 2010 (50w/ch) and 2010S2 (75w/ch). They however really opened up when I put the Plinius 9200 on them (200w/ch). I wouldn't go up the line with Rega amps. IMO they will be a little too bright for the PMC's. The Brio is fine but the Elicit R becomes quite bright from some friends experience. There are a number of amps that sit very well with the PMC's. Just depends what kind of budget you have and how generous the wife is I'm sure other PMC owners will chime in with suggestions at all budgets. You're nearly in the club mate
needlerunner Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 Thought l would chime in here. And give an update.Pick up my Mofi Ultradeck next Tuesday in Perth.The PMC twenty.23 speakers should arrive later in the week from Melbourne. Also the Plinius Hautonga from Queensland around the same time.Starting to get excited. 5
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