My Next Horns

[56oval]

Here's a driver company http://www.field-coil.com/field-coil/RF-C805/

Cheers

[56oval]

Heres another link

http://www.greatplainsaudio.com/

http://www.azurahorn.com/azurahorn_gallery.html

Now the next link is huge its about building OB's but there is some great links about horn mids and other info its well worth a read

http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100392&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

Cheers

[JCR33]

HI Jack,

As you know l am only starting down this road myself. l have read just about every site on horns that relates to TAD. Rey Audio is highly regarded, but apparently the Japanese taste is to drive the compressors xover point as low as possible since they value midrange clarity over bass punch, dunno if that explains what you heard.

GOTO is very highly regarded but l have read of a few users who ditched them and went back to JBL or TAD drivers as they found some idiosyncrasy's with their sound that long term they couldn't tame nor live with. All second hand info but so take it all with a dose of skepticism but food for thought all the same.

What about some Cessaro horns, they gain universal praise amongst the horn heads.

Cheers,

mondie

Goto and YL are 2 famous horn compression driver designers who worked closely with Kondo san many years ago. Audionote Japan still have the horns in their showroom. It is very hard to get the YL but Goto are still available. I am just wondering how Kondo amps will sound with these horns.

My prime goal is to get my system to sound as lively and free as possible.

I have read about Cessaro horns from Germany but not heard them myself. Where do you read about the universal praises?

Jack

[56oval]

Hello JCR

One man who has one and still tweaky in the same quest

http://www.goodsoundclub.com/MacondoAcousticSystem.aspx.

Cheers

[JCR33]

Hi 56oval,

Some exotic links and the Macondo guy is really something. Thanks so much for the info. It will take me a while to read...

:o

Jack

[warnsey1]

There is definitely something in the air at the moment with regards to horns+ high-efficiency+ valves.

Martin of Azurahorn is very friendly and knowledgable, well worth getting in contact with him.

[zydeco]

Yep..............for the midrange. Can't give too much away just yet

There is definitely something in the air at the moment with regards to horns+ high-efficiency+ valves.

Martin of Azurahorn is very friendly and knowledgable, well worth getting in contact with him.

Warnsey - A little o/t but when do we get to see photos of the build of your new Aslan horns? :o - Andrew

[warnsey1]

Warnsey - A little o/t but when do we get to see photos of the build of your new Aslan horns? :o - Andrew

When they're finished of course....

[56oval]

Martin of Azurahorn is very friendly and knowledgable

Hello Warnsey.

Martin must be a knowledgable guy we are both using Black Art iron in our amps :o.

Cheers

[JCR33]

Hello JCR.

Heres a link to Sukuma but it looks like the English page's are dead .I new I should of printed a certain circuit off .

http://www.tube-amp.de/sakuma/ .

There is some very good reading .

I have met one of my mates friend from Sydney and he's pretty full on when it comes to music reproduction I think he's system is horn based

I'll find out .

Cheers

Cheers.

Morning 56oval,

Not sure if you have seen this, Sakuma san himself and an interview with him and his workshop...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fntz4lLlS2I&feature=related

[A9X]

If it were my money being spent, I would first look into the Danley SH50 or the Cogent horns/drivers.

[warnsey1]

Check out these systems. I just typed in the key word 'horn' at audigon.

[56oval]

If it were my money being spent, I would first look into the Danley SH50 or the Cogent horns/drivers.

Hello A9X

There tappered bass/sub horn looks very good .

JCR I'll check out the vid when I'm at home work pc blocks yuo tube.

Cheers

[A9X]

Hello A9X

There tappered bass/sub horn looks very good .

I've been finishing up my sims for a TH similar to the DTS20. I have 4 spare drivers that will work in it....

The SH50 is the latest version of the Unity series.

http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/synergy_horn.asp?model=SH%2050

[angeloitacare]

you might check out Onken compression drivers.

http://www.audiovoice-acoustics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267

http://search3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/search?p=Onken&auccat=23632

Jean Hiraga uses in his horn setup all Onken compression drivers. These are not skyrocket expensive, and perform at highest level , like Ale, YL, Goto, et al...

if you do not want to get into wood work to build horns, there is stereo lab in germany, these make high quality tractrix horns, even with 96cm diameter, for midbass duty :

http://www.audiovoice-acoustics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168&page=32

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Stereo-Lab__W0QQ_armrsZ1

Edited September 22, 2009 by angeloitacare

[2sheds]

Yep, those Cessaro Gamma's sound promising (although I'd be tempted to paint them red)....:nana

If you are pressed for space, I'll take the Avantgardes off your hands...

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cheers

2sheds

[JCR33]

Yep, those Cessaro Gamma's sound promising (although I'd be tempted to paint them red)....:o

If you are pressed for space, I'll take the Avantgardes off your hands...

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cheers

2sheds

I like the black and white of this setup, they should sound awesome with all those basshorns at the back..., my next dream...

http://www.artcore-audio.de/

[JCR33]

you might check out Onken compression drivers.

http://www.audiovoice-acoustics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=267

http://search3.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/search?p=Onken&auccat=23632

Jean Hiraga uses in his horn setup all Onken compression drivers. These are not skyrocket expensive, and perform at highest level , like Ale, YL, Goto, et al...

if you do not want to get into wood work to build horns, there is stereo lab in germany, these make high quality tractrix horns, even with 96cm diameter, for midbass duty :

http://www.audiovoice-acoustics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168&page=32

http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Stereo-Lab__W0QQ_armrsZ1

Hi,

Thanks for the links.

You website is very informative and organised, a pleasure to browse as always.

[2sheds]

I like the black and white of this setup, they should sound awesome with all those basshorns at the back..., my next dream... ]

Dreams are what drive us, Jack:D

cheers

2sheds

[JCR33]

Love the look of this horn by Living Voice, designed and crafted by someone who knows so much about Kondo amps...

http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/livingvoice2/olympian.html

[Guest]

Jack have you checked out the pair of SA based TAD speakers going cheap????

[Guest]

And Jack I dont think we have that many Australian manufacurers of horn speakers - yiu might as well at least try out the latetest from SA - I'm looking forward to hearing these one day soon!!!!!

I know they are not as estoteric as your normal selections but hey Im just proud that little old SA can produce soem quality product - what you doing on the 23/24 October -I hear some good pizza is planned????

The kx-5926 is one of a family of new generation 3 way systems which are designed for the Cinema complex of the 21st Century, offering a significant improvement in audio quality compared to the best 2 way designs. To put this in broad technical terms, it is a requirement for these systems to perform best with stadium seating, whilst maintaining a shallow profile on the complete assembly so that wasted space behind the screen is minimised.

To achieve a lower distortion figure and flatter frequency response in the mid and high frequencies, the correct loading and pattern control had to be engineered. Using new sophisticated loudspeaker modeling techniques, along with experience gained from a long and succesful association with the cinema industry, Krix has gained the reputation as an innovator. The Krix new generation 3 way designs are the correct solution for this type of advanced speaker system.

This complete system can also be specified with a bi-amped passive filter network between the midrange and high frequency and should a passive filter be required the model number to be specified is a kx-5926B. The passive filter network will be factory fitted within the midrange enclosure.

Features

• 3 way array for maximum output, optimal coverage and minimum distortion
  
• 2 way bi-amped operation (passive filter between Mid & HF). Compatible with industry standard 500Hz 4th order Linkwitz Riley active filters
  
• True horn loaded midrange and high frequency
  
• Well defined constant coverage with a smooth transition from LF to Mid & HF
  
• Shallow profile to minimise space lost behind the screen
  
• Pre-equalised to the ISO2969 house curve minimising set-up time
  
• Flat front profile for easy baffle wall installation
  

• Specifications
  
• Testimonials
  

Specifications

Frequency Range: 40Hz to 16kHz (pre-equalised to ISO2969 house curve ±2dB) free space

Power Handling: Thermal capacity: MID/HF - 50 watts and LF - 500 watts Program power capacity: MID/HF - 100 watts RMS and LF - 1000 watts RMS

Sensitivity: LF - 101dB for 1 watt @ 1 metre and MID/HF - 106dB for 1 watt @ 1 metre

Bass Driver(s): Dual 15 inch (380mm) paper cone

Midrange Driver: Single 6½ inch (165mm) aerogel and paper cone, 90 x 40 constant directivity horn

Tweeter: 4 inch compression driver, 90 x 40 short throw horn and bracket

Crossover Points: 500Hz active

Impedance: 4 ohms

Enclosure Type: Bass reflex

Dimensions: 2035mm high x 670mm wide x 455mm deep

Material: 18mm MDF

Finish: Cinema black

Input Terminals: 200 amp proprietary terminal posts which will accept up to 6mm cable

Weight: 114 kg

[JCR33]

Jack have you checked out the pair of SA based TAD speakers going cheap????

You found something for me? Show me the photos...

[Guest]

Forgot the big brother they make as well - I have heard these with Blue Man Group - talk about rocking your socks off

The kx-5986 is one of a family of ultra high end, state of the art, new generation 4 way loudspeakers for Cinemas of the 21st Century. Advantages of adding an Ultra High Frequency element to our existing 3 way designs are, extended and flatter frequency response from 7.5kHz to 20kHz and at the same time significantly reducing distortion. As well as being a significant improvement in audio quality with even smoother and sweeter highs, the UHF element has an added advantage of improving pattern control beyond 10kHz, which in 2 and 3 way designs can become erratic.

The right directivity pattern is critical to ensure every seat is a good seat and the kx-5986 ensures significant improvements so that there is less variation with frequency than ever before. True horn loading of acoustic transducers is essential for pattern control, and a major step forward has been the development of a new throat configuration that assisted in improved pattern control and improved frequency response and reduced distortion.

Great care has been taken in the design and manufacture of the passive filter network, an important component, which is often overlooked because it is not visible. The filter network is responsible for the integration of the whole array and has many tasks such as providing the correct crossover points with the appropriate phase responses for each section, high order slopes for minimal vertical off axis disturbance and to equalise the whole array for simplified auditorium equalisation.

This complete system can also be specified with a tri-amped or bi-amped passive filter network between the midrange and high frequency or midrange, high frequency and ultra high frequency. Should a passive filter be required the model number to be specified is a kx-5986T or kx-5986B respectively. The passive filter network will be factory fitted within the midrange enclosure.

Features

• 4 way array for maximum output, optimal coverage and minimum distortion
  
• Extended and smoother frequency response and more precise pattern control in all elements of the loudspeaker system
  
• Tri-amped and Bi-amped operation with passive filter combining MID/HF and MID/HF/UHF, compatible with industry standard 500Hz 4th order.
  
• True horn loaded midrange, high and ultra high frequency
  
• Well defined and precise constant coverage control
  
• Flat front profile for use with infinite baffle applications
  
• Coverage pattern has a smooth transition from LF to MID/HF/UHF array
  

• Data Sheet View Download
  

• Specifications
  
• Testimonials
  

Specifications

Frequency Range: 40Hz to 16kHz (pre- equalised to ISO2969 house curve ±3dB) free space

Power Handling: Thermal capacity: MID/HF/UHF - 125 watts and LF - 1000 watts Program power capacity: MID/HF/UHF - 250 watts RMS and LF - 2000 watts RMS

Sensitivity: LF - 102dB for 1 watt @ 1 metre and MID/HF/UHF - 98dB for 1 watt @ 1 metre

Bass Driver(s): Quad 15 inch (380mm) paper cone

Midrange Driver: Dual 6½ inch (165mm) aerogel and paper cone, constant directivity horn

Tweeter: 4 inch compression driver, 90 x 40 short throw horn + Ultra High Frequency - 1¾ inch compression driver, 90 x 40 short throw horn and bracket

Crossover Points: 500Hz active (useable 312Hz to 800Hz)

Impedance: 8 ohms

Enclosure Type: Bass reflex

Dimensions: 2710mm high x 1050mm wide x 505mm deep

Material: 25mm MDF

Finish: Cinema black

Input Terminals: 200 amp proprietary terminal posts which will accept up to 6mm cable

Weight: 180 kg

[Guest]

Jack was thinking of Mondies TAD's that he has for sale - I have a soft spot for them - not just cause they sound great and are big suckers but love the wood-work

Free Plug for his speakers I guess - hope you dont mind