Which Blu-ray Has Best SQ For Playback Of Music Discs ?

[Wayne Elliott]

I'm guessing it's a discrete op amp

Correct, plus upgraded clock/crystal.

[Wayne Elliott]

@@Newman,

 

Could you elaborate more on this. 

 

Do they work in terms of improved sound quality or is it simply a case of bias playing a role.

 

Cheers Ozzie

Improves sound quality immensely.

[Rewind]

Save your money on the JLTI mods. I've had Burson mods to a CD player which cost 35% of the JLTI mods and I feel the Burson mods made more improvement than the more expensive JLTI mods. I'm hoping  to get my CA752 upgraded with Burson mods down the track.

 

Do they have resellers here in Aus?

[Newman]

They are Aussie!

[ghost4man]

@@Newman

Do you have a link because any search for a Burson mod is taking me overseas.

Cheers Ozzie

[Newman]

Well their website says http://www.busisoft.com.au but you can also buy online from the Burson website.

[ghost4man]

Well their website says http://www.busisoft.com.au but you can also buy online from the Burson website.

@@Newman,

 

Busisoft had little to comment other than to say that they do not provide anything in this realm.

I am just about to send an email to Burson to see if I can get any feedback.

Will keep everyone posted and save the legwork.

 

Cheers Ozzie

[Wayne Elliott]

CVE Electronics in Coburg, Vic. are the Burson Audio installers. 03 9350 6710.

[ferchersan]

Personally I would stick to a non-JLTi 105. But then again I am not a fan of the man. Show me his post-mod measurements and then show me how they compare and even are audibly superior to the stock player measurements. Bordering on scam. We really need to be spending our audio money in other areas.

 

I use a stock 105 and I see zero reason to change it for a CA752 or a JLTi.

Hi Newman,

 

I own a 105 too. I've had the opportunity to hear a JLTI modded Oppo a couple of times. Joe has demonstrated it Sydney Audio Club and has taken the time to explain his mods (and the associated costs!). I can appreciate that we evaluate gear in different ways, but I think your 'bordering on a scam' comment may be a little harsh. 

 

Cheers,

Leigh

[Newman]

Hi Leigh, I have an audio buddy with full JR mod oppos (2) and have been hearing his setups for years.

Did you see the measurements I linked above? JR mods won't improve those audibly, more likely the opposite, and we are discussing non-magical phenomena.... JR would surely agree.

[ferchersan]

@@Newman

 

We're coming at this from different angles.

 

FWIW, I find the sound of my 105 a little bland. I like the sound of the JLTI modded Oppo's that I have heard. There is a difference. 

That would suggest to me that it is not a scam. 

 

I shouldn't have commented, I don't want to take this thread off topic. 

 

Cheers,

Leigh

 

Edited: bad spelling and added a smiley face

Edited January 13, 2016 by ferchersan

[Newman]

@@Newman

 

We're coming at this from different angles.

 

FWIW, I find the sound of my 105 a little bland. I like the sound of the JLTI modded Oppo's that I have heard. There is a difference. 

That would suggest to me that it is not a scam. 

 

Actually, that would suggest to me that you are having a total, summed response, to knowing you are hearing a modded player, that means you might gain benefit from owning such mods. You. Personally. Nothing to do with sound waves, unless the mods are degrading the pristine performance of your stock unit (which perhaps is not the equal of the measured unit in my link, but let's ignore that for now).

 

With gear that performs at this level of input/output accuracy, A/B comparisons in sighted listening tests are completely dominated by non-sonic factors that our brains integrate into our 'perception of the sound', and we mistakenly assign the perception to 'the sound'. That is routine psycho-acoustics, and applies to other senses too. And it's okay: even though we are kind of internally fooling ourselves, there is nothing that we can do about it by conscious force, so we might as well 'lie back and enjoy it', even thought it might be a little irritating to think we are sometimes contemplating big bucks for unchanged sound waves, but we can't stop ourselves from thinking one sounds better. C'est la vie.

[ghost4man]

@@Newman

 

We're coming at this from different angles.

 

FWIW, I find the sound of my 105 a little bland. I like the sound of the JLTI modded Oppo's that I have heard. There is a difference. 

That would suggest to me that it is not a scam. 

 

I shouldn't have commented, I don't want to take this thread off topic. 

 

Cheers,

Leigh

 

Edited: bad spelling and added a smiley face

Leigh,

 

To be fair to the testing did you try a modded oppo into your existing system to be able to determine if there was a discernible difference between each oppo.

@@Newman,

You said:

"Actually, that would suggest to me that you are having a total, summed response, to knowing you are hearing a modded player, that means you might gain benefit from owning such mods."

That can easily be circumvented by testing in a double blind setting to preclude that possibility. Its the only true way to determine if one can detect a change( note how I use the word "change" as opposed to better).

The issue here lies with perception and is a derivative of the placebo effect. You are cognitively talking yourself into enjoying the more expensive things. This is part of frontal lobe executive control.

Cheers Ozzie

[betty boop]

I would be wary with modded players and after sales support and warranty. unless getting done by likes of gattiweb or someone whom is going to upgrade and continue on warranty ?...keep in mind local importer probably wipe hands off warranty

[Newman]

@@Newman,

You said:

"Actually, that would suggest to me that you are having a total, summed response, to knowing you are hearing a modded player, that means you might gain benefit from owning such mods."

That can easily be circumvented by testing in a double blind setting to preclude that possibility. Its the only true way to determine if one can detect a change( note how I use the word "change" as opposed to better).

The issue here lies with perception and is a derivative of the placebo effect. You are cognitively talking yourself into enjoying the more expensive things. This is part of frontal lobe executive control.

 

Vast error in bold (kidding)

 

Totally agree about DBT but it won't make any difference after you go home and listen in normal listening conditions. The effects will return*. You can't consciously control them by consciously knowing the result of a DBT.

 

*perhaps not the identical effect, now that your 'summed total' has been changed, but not changed in the way consciously desired after a DBT.

[Joe Rasmussen]

Hi Newman,

 

I own a 105 too. I've had the opportunity to hear a JLTI modded Oppo a couple of times. Joe has demonstrated it Sydney Audio Club and has taken the time to explain his mods (and the associated costs!). I can appreciate that we evaluate gear in different ways, but I think your 'bordering on a scam' comment may be a little harsh. 

 

Cheers,

Leigh

 

 

Thanks Leigh.

 

Alas nothing sounds all that great in that Epping hall. In fact pretty miserable. Strange, I have only really done it after somebody phones me and asks if I can help out. So I do. Then you have to wear the criticism...? But I have made so many friends that I count myself lucky.

 

Cheers, Joe

[davewantsmoore]

Hi Leigh, I have an audio buddy with full JR mod oppos (2) and have been hearing his setups for years.

Did you see the measurements I linked above? JR mods won't improve those audibly, more likely the opposite, and we are discussing non-magical phenomena.... JR would surely agree.

 

I tend to agree with the sentiment that audio dollars should be spent elsewhere (for most people)

 

 

... however I assume you are aware what JR mods on the players, and what effects he claims it has .....   if so, then how are the posted measurements relevant?  (aside from the obvsious that they show excellently flat and distortion free response) ......   However as to the things JR is claiming to tackle.....   They simply say  "You can rest assured there are no jitter issues"    :-S

 

Doesn't really seem fair.

[ghost4man]

@@Newman,

 

You said,

Actually, that would suggest to me that you are having a total, summed response, to knowing you are hearing a modded player, that means you might gain benefit from owning such mods. You. Personally. Nothing to do with sound waves, unless the mods are degrading the pristine performance of your stock unit (which perhaps is not the equal of the measured unit in my link, but let's ignore that for now).

How did you reach that personal conclusion when you invoke terms like "suggest, "might" when making that assessment. I dont disagree with the remark concerning conscious control but I think you are

oversimplifying what is a complex treatsie. I think you are negating the power of a DBT and are ignoring the main premise behind one. These standardised trials are typically employed and for good reason.

 

Cheers Ozzie

[Newman]

Perhaps you misread me. I never said anything that negates the effectiveness of DBT.

[Addicted to music]

I would be wary with modded players and after sales support and warranty. unless getting done by likes of gattiweb or someone whom is going to upgrade and continue on warranty ?...keep in mind local importer probably wipe hands off warranty

You'll find that most importers with service centres will wipe there hands on it, as soon as the bonnet is removed and it looks modded the warranty is void.

[Addicted to music]

B4 I bought a OPPO 105 I did a A/B test with a Marrantz, I'm surprised the Marrantz units with bluray capability has been mentioned.

[ghost4man]

You'll find that most importers with service centres will wipe there hands on it, as soon as the bonnet is removed and it looks modded the warranty is void.

Not really an issue if like me you have bought yours from gumtree.

 

Cheers Ozzie

[betty boop]

Not really an issue if like me you have bought yours from gumtree.

 

Cheers Ozzie

 

if needing any service on it you will need it from some place ! unless plan to get gumtree to fix it for you just kidding hehe

[rollo]

Sony  for great picture and then maybe a Schitt Bitfrost DAC. Both should cost less than the big time Oppo.

 

 

charles

[Guest Sime]

if needing any service on it you will need it from some place ! unless plan to get gumtree to fix it for you just kidding hehe

I'm sure Gumtree has a repair branch somewhere